NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

[Shakedowncapo]

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Talk to me about "overall graphics" when Live can make the crowd 60fps..We'll see what their graphic detail is like when they make that move.

[Behindshadows]

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Talk to me about "overall graphics" when Live can make the crowd 60fps..We'll see what their graphic detail is like when they make that move.

lol you know what this statement is true! When the game starts the crowd is moving 60fps but the moment it cuts to the court with the five on five, refs, cameramen, sideline stuff the crowd drops to 30fps, they are going to have to fix that and fix that quick.

But back on the topic of NBA 2k10 - Please Simballer and Rob Jones, ZTim. Get Take Two to step up and really give you guys some new tech. To get this series back on track. I love what 2k does with motion capturing and getting players to animate smooth and things like that. But the sliding has to go, defense should be tight. Completely redo create a player and bring back create a shoe, but step up and give it completely name brand stuff like Nike ID. So much was stripped down or dumb down in 2k9 it was pathetic. If anyone wants to get specific. When you look at added features, all 2k did was change the way the menus were and everything was still the same. From every option in edit player, etc. All they did was put reel maker on the menu and add the 2kshare feature from College Hoops to the NBA game, along with the crazy crowd animations from College Hoops to the NBA game. Majority of all the so called new things in NBA 2k9 was basically stuff copied over from College Hoops 2k8.

2ksports really needs to step the game up and get back to creating pure sim basketball like they were doing with 2k7, and 2k8.

[STLRams]

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lol you know what this statement is true! When the game starts the crowd is moving 60fps but the moment it cuts to the court with the five on five, refs, cameramen, sideline stuff the crowd drops to 30fps, they are going to have to fix that and fix that quick.

But back on the topic of NBA 2k10 - Please Simballer and Rob Jones, ZTim. Get Take Two to step up and really give you guys some new tech. To get this series back on track. I love what 2k does with motion capturing and getting players to animate smooth and things like that. But the sliding has to go, defense should be tight. Completely redo create a player and bring back create a shoe, but step up and give it completely name brand stuff like Nike ID. So much was stripped down or dumb down in 2k9 it was pathetic. If anyone wants to get specific. When you look at added features, all 2k did was change the way the menus were and everything was still the same. From every option in edit player, etc. All they did was put reel maker on the menu and add the 2kshare feature from College Hoops to the NBA game, along with the crazy crowd animations from College Hoops to the NBA game. Majority of all the so called new things in NBA 2k9 was basically stuff copied over from College Hoops 2k8.

2ksports really needs to step the game up and get back to creating pure sim basketball like they were doing with 2k7, and 2k8.

Agreed, I just hope the Devs for 2K10 are focused this year like the Sony and EA devs are. Also the devs have to come up with some new tech to match what NBALive DNA feature is doing, sorry the 2Kinsider and the current tech can't compare. We shouldn't have to constantly adjusted sliders and teams and player tendencies to get the players to play like they really do in real life.

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Agreed, I just hope the Devs for 2K10 are focused this year like the Sony and EA devs are. Also the devs have to come up with some new tech to match what NBALive DNA feature is doing, sorry the 2Kinsider and the current tech can't compare. We shouldn't have to constantly adjusted sliders and teams and player tendencies to get the players to play like they really do in real life.

See that's the biggest flaw in NBA2K9 to me, constantly adjusting sliders and editing player ratings in order to get real stats. I know I've beaten this topic to death, but it is so true The graphics, IMO, are far better than Live. I don't know about all these "jaggies" "blending" etc, when you put the two games side by side and watch them played NBA2K9 looks like the better game. Now I admit the DNa feature makes the actual CPU controlled players, play more like their counterparts, but I just can't get past the poor graphics. The bodies look like stick figures!!!

The heart and soul of every sports game is the dynasty/franchise/association mode. This part of the game should play like a sports RPG, and when the issues there are so glaring as in NBA2K9 the superior graphics go out of the window and it becomes another flawed game. I couldnt play Live due to graphics, I can't keep playing NBA2K9 due to the poor Association. Good thing MLB The Show came along....of curse I;'ll never give up my PAC10 Online Dynasty either...

[Behindshadows]

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See that's the biggest flaw in NBA2K9 to me, constantly adjusting sliders and editing player ratings in order to get real stats. I know I've beaten this topic to death, but it is so true The graphics, IMO, are far better than Live. I don't know about all these "jaggies" "blending" etc, when you put the two games side by side and watch them played NBA2K9 looks like the better game. Now I admit the DNa feature makes the actual CPU controlled players, play more like their counterparts, but I just can't get past the poor graphics. The bodies look like stick figures!!!

The heart and soul of every sports game is the dynasty/franchise/association mode. This part of the game should play like a sports RPG, and when the issues there are so glaring as in NBA2K9 the superior graphics go out of the window and it becomes another flawed game. I couldnt play Live due to graphics, I can't keep playing NBA2K9 due to the poor Association. Good thing MLB The Show came along....of curse I;'ll never give up my PAC10 Online Dynasty either...

Live's Dynasty is better another subject..PM me I'll let you know how!

2k's graphics don't look better. 2k's animations look incredibly better. I think you are mixing up graphics with animations. Now when you talk about player movement, easily 2ksports is the victor in this battle. The player models move incredibly great and so smooth. But when you see 2k from broadcast cam it easily jaggies up and you look those textures, but up close during cutscenes, etc it looks good, really good.

Live looks good far away, up close, and from every angle they don't drop frames. But the details are not as intrusive as 2k's models are, meaning the level of little lines and details in 2k's faces are better and structures of that nature.

It's hard to explain and it's an unlimited debate. But overall I want 2k to serious improve and come with it next year. Come with it!

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Yeah Live's Dynasty is a lot better but I can't get get down with those graphics. You are right though, I don't know the difference between what you guys refer to as animations and graphics. I consider the whole look of the game "graphics" and really don't differentiate the two. I will say this though. If NBA2K9 had Live's DNA/365 featur and dynasty mode. I would consider it a better SIM than the show

[brahmagoul]

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Two things I can't get past that 2K is superior at: smooth gameplay and the ability to control/play with every team. My big fear is not having a great basketball title -- and I mean great by the standards of video game evolution, like with MLB 09 this year -- because I have no faith EA will do that with Live.

[csh1229]

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WTF?

I am not getting all of this NBA2k hate.

I DISAGREE with just about everyone in this thread. I love 2k9. I play the hell out of it..which is saying something for me since I'm a college guy at heart. I've played probably 80 combined games between my Rockets and Pacers franchises.

With slider tweaks and roster updates, I get consistently great games. The only major issue I have is the damn bounce passes in traffic...other than that..the game is gorgeous and plays a very very good game of basketball for me.

I tried live and quite frankly...it's the same EA Bball game to me. Clunky animations, awkward shooting motions, etc. I've never been a fan of EA basketball games and it would really take something special for me to ever turn back their way.

But again....I personally think NBA2k9 is the best sports game I've played, right alongside College Hoops 2k8.

Considering how EA consistently falls behind 2k in performance, the 2k guys get the benefit of the doubt with me if they don't spend as much time interacting with the community. Just my .02.

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I would've agreed with you about a minute ago, but after reading what's his name, Wang moving over to EA and reading his explanations on the article, I am convinced that there will be some major changes in LIVE10.

I hated LIVE series for couple reasons, but the main reason was that it simply looked good, but played like robots. It just didn't have the smooth life-like animations, whereas NBA2K series, though worse in graphics, played much realistically. On that note, he said all I wanted to hear, and actually explained why there were differences in those games, and what he is going to try to do in order to make it better.

If Live can optimize their game by making the game more realistic on top of their amazing graphics, I can spend some bucks on the new game.

[J.R. Locke]

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Until EA basketball games can used animations that differintiate shooting release and arc, layups off the backboard instead of straight in the cup (what is up with that? this is 2009 right...), dribbling styles.....until EA can do those animations that 2k does so well I will be a 2k purchaser (especially if it is on the PC).

What I love about EA basketball games is the transistion game. They have speed differences perfect!!!! That is why I hold out hope for EA but if they don't release on the PC I am sticking with 2k also.

Both games have huge problems and both games are fun to play....some of the time

[STLRams]

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I didn't want the thread to turn into a EA vs 2K, so lets just leave that one alone. I just want the developers of 2Kbaskeball to take notice of what's going on in the forums and hopefully follow suit of what MLB 09 Developers are doing and what the EA developers are trying to do. By openly communicating and getting feedback early from the fans while the game is still being developed, before the game is released fixes alot of problems early. Also by doing this you are facing up to past mistakes and taking constructive suggestions from fans on what needs to be done to improve the game. Your not hiding under a rock or releasing info at the last minute and then saying, oh its to late to fix or add this, deal with it.

I totally agree with the statement of if 2Kbasketball had the LiveDNA feature that EA has or something like that, the game would give a true SIM experience, plus fixing all of the other little problems. May even reach SIM/realism level of MLB09 The show, which now the Madden and Live developers have ADMITTED that is there goal for this year, after giving props to the Sony developers. The EA devs even admitted that they have been taking notes from NFL2K5 and MLB09 The show, and are taking criticism and feedback on there games and are openly communicating. The question remains, will 2K do the same methods and step up to the bar like MLB09 The show and possibly Madden10 and Live10????

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One thing about community involvement though is that the developers have every motive to talk a big game in order to hype you up. Like that guy who moved from 2K to Ea and started spouting all the blah. do you eally think he would come out and be honest and say

"NBA2K9 is a much better game than Live graphically and gameplay wise. The only thing we got going for is DNA and 365. I really hope we can catch up to them next year, but if they keep improving on what they have we will definitely be hard pressed to equal their game much less than beat it. I really only came here for the extra money because I know what that 2K company has is a masterpiece waiting to be improved."

Of course he wouldnt so take all that talk with a grain of salt

[Pared]

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This thread just proves that the community interaction is selling more people on a game than the game itself.

The "promise" seems to be more attractive than the "substance."

[STLRams]

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Yes, but also community interaction is very good, because it lets the fans/consumers know that alteast there voice is being heard and that developers do have some respect for to openly admit mistakes and take open suggestions instead of leaving us in the dark. It seemed to work well for the Sony Developers of MLB09 The Show went this route, and that game turned out to be one of the best baseball games ever. EA sports and Madden devs are atleast trying to openly correct things that have bothered players who want more SIM style buy getting there suggestions, and showing what they are trying to implement through blogs, videos and answering questions Openly. Sorry, but its hard to hate on that.

[Pared]

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Unfortunately, you're right.

To sell a game now, you can't just make your game to be best possible game it can be. You need to actively go out there and market it.

I don't agree with that, but that is where the industry has moved to. You guys need a security blanket of a guy in a pink name saying "I understand your concerns" to ease your worries.

Am I wrong?

[TombSong]

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Yes, but also community interaction is very good, because it lets the fans/consumers know that alteast there voice is being heard and that developers do have some respect for to openly admit mistakes and take open suggestions instead of leaving us in the dark. It seemed to work well for the Sony Developers of MLB09 The Show went this route, and that game turned out to be one of the best baseball games ever. EA sports and Madden devs are atleast trying to openly correct things that have bothered players who want more SIM style buy getting there suggestions, and showing what they are trying to implement through blogs, videos and answering questions Openly. Sorry, but its hard to hate on that.

If 2K's basketball game was garbage I could understand your argument, however thats not the case. They have put out the best basketball game now for the past 5 years.

Yall are getting hyped up over devs in the forums(which is a good thing) but until we see the results of it, I think we can reasonably assume the 2K devs are working hard to put out another great b-ball game.

It would be nice if they chimed in a bit more, but all this slience by 2k == doom for the future aint warranted at the moment. So far they have done a pretty good job at giving us what we want without a lot of the "we gonna...we gonna..... we plan on.....talk."

You got the best basketball game in the world in your hands right now. Enjoy the game and IF 2k10 is some garbage then sound the alarms, not before you even know what they are planning on doing.