It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[Whomario]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Why would you turn the Trade deadline off ? The realistic thing to test would be to disable trades until mid January since the CPU can´t recognize that it allready did a whole bunch of roster moves a couple months ago in the offseason.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Why would you turn the Trade deadline off ? The realistic thing to test would be to disable trades until mid January since the CPU can´t recognize that it allready did a whole bunch of roster moves a couple months ago in the offseason.

I just did it to see if more trades would happen season 2 and beyond, they didn't..

Although, i'm going to do it your way right now and see what happens. That's actually a good idea.

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Wow Gosens...thanks for all the testing! To bad we have to do this for 2k tho.

This mode is petty much beyond broken. Hopefully, and I'm sure it will be patched though. Sucks that such a great game, the best mode imo and the one they said was fixed and worked great really isn't and is broke. I say for 2k12, leave everything gameplay wise as is! And focus soley on association mode, and online for those that like online play. Let's get association mode working first tho!!!

[CelticBalla32]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

so Player Roles on and Chemistry off would mean that individual player suffer (or excell) but team records stay in line more or less ?

I will run more simulations soon to check it out, but from the 3 that I've done so far, that's what I'm getting from it. I could be wrong, and I actually didn't even think about the whole individual players taking a hit in production. Their ratings too indeed drop when they're upset, so thank you for reminding me because that's a problem as well. It's realistic when used correctly and 2k has good intentions with it, but it happens to frequently in the game. I may have to run more simulations with roles off, just to see how it acts.

The only thing I worry about with roles off, is that rotations will go strictly off ratings. So you might see Patrick Beverly getting minutes over Eddie House or guys like Peja getting no minutes, which isn't right. These guys don't have high overall ratings because they're shooting specialists that bring little else to the table, but they are a part of the team's rotation and make a difference.

We'll see what happens.

[fzdoom]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

To me its seems the Home Court Advantage is to make the playoffs play out more realistically, i.e. less upsets. The NBA is the most predictable sport when it comes to playoffs. Rarely does a lower seed beat a higher seed unless its the 4-5 matchup.

But yes i can see how just alternating home wins until game 7 is also unrealistic. Since the HCA was 2k's way of establishing great teams vs worse teams im assuming theres nothing else that can be done. You would think team ratings would control this but it seems it doesnt. If the lakers are overall a 95 and the rockets are an overall 82, then the lakers should win in 4 or 5 games. regardless of home vs away. But i guess this cant be implemented in the game?

[Serra11]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

but i'm utterly shocked about the Knicks sending STAT to the Thunder, just... wow.

Stat's role is starter in 2k roster...this is the reason.

[CelticBalla32]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

This mode is petty much beyond broken.

I wouldn't say that at all. There are some issues but it is far from broken. A lot of it is manually fixable. The only glaring issue I've come across that we cannot fix ourselves is homecourt advantage, but as long as they get the right teams in the postseason (which has happened in my last 2 simulations) I think I can live with it.

[jeremym480]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So in all of these simulations how many road teams have actually won a series?That's could be a big problem. Other than that, I know I'm probably in the minority here- but, the blowout's in the playoff's really aren't that big of a deal to me. Hell, half the time I don't even worry about other team's. I'm just worrying about my own team

I'm mean, sure I can see where they are annoying and I do hope it get's patched. But, as long as there's varying results and away teams wins the occasional playoff series then it's not a real "game breaker", IMO.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Ok cool, sorry bout that bro...sounds reasonable enough, but would it actually work? Tested I out yet to see?

Yes it works, still have to manage minutes and your roster tho

as for Manu, he's just rated too high at 87, I actually lowered his ratings some

In Rashidi's rosters he's a 82 which mite help him open up to his role

No one on the Celts wants to be traded

Nor does Shannon Brown(overrated)

[TooTall]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I've had plenty of road teams win and advance in the playoffs. Seen a 7 v 5 seed in the championship game in addition to a 1 v 1 seed.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Just ran another test..

Started a new Association with roles and chemistry still turned off, and with CPU trading off until Jan. 15th..

Only 7 trades happened during the season, no marquee players were traded so that's a good sign. Hopefully this mean we can get some trades going on the next few seasons...

Playoff results were a lot better...

Only 4 series went 7 games

had 2 sweeps and the Lakers beat the Celtics in 5 in the NBA Finals..

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Draft day trades were interesting to say the least..

Jazz traded the 6th pick in the first round to the Wizards for Jose Perez(Rookie) and Kirk Hinrich

Suns traded the 7th pick in the first round and Goran Dragic to the Spurs for Dejuan Blair and James Anderson

Cavs traded the 16th pick in the first round and JJ Hickson to the Blazers for Elliot Williams

Wolves traded Pick 2 in the 2nd round to the Pacers for Tyler Hansbrough

Suns traded Hedo Turkoglu and the 7th pick in the 2nd round to the Nuggets for Ronnie Bryant(Rookie) and their 2nd round pick in 2012

Cavs traded pick 15 in the 2nd round to the Wizards for Al Thornton

Bobcats traded pick 19 in the second round to the Knicks for Blake Jones(Rookie)

Blazers traded the 21st pick in the 2nd round and the 2012 1st round pick to the Knicks for Ben Wallace..

Most movement iv'e seen on draft day, ever.. Now i'm going to disable CPU trading again until mid january of next season and see how it plays out..

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At the beginning of the second season, every headline on the NBA.COM front page is about a player possibly being traded before the deadline, never seen it that way before so this MIGHT be good news..

Annnnnd... NOT good news..

One trade happened..

76ers traded Allen Iverson to the Hawks for '12 1st round pick and Mike Bibby.

Ugh, i'll sim one more season and see what happens..

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Playoff results were just RIDICULOUS! Every series went to game 7 except one. I don't even know what to say about this anymore..

Draft trades...

Clippers trade 8th pick in the first round and Baron Davis to the Rockets for Aaron Brooks and Peter Burks

Pistons trade pick 9 in the first round and Rip Hamilton to the Mavericks for Glen Fulton and Caron Butler

Kings trade 11th pick in the first round and Delonte West to the Hornets for Gerald Page and David West

Knicks trade 24th pick in the first round and Matt Carroll to the Rockets for Jordan Hill and 2nd round pick 3

Lakers trade 29th pick in the first round and Luke Walton to the Suns for the 7th pick in the second round and Jason Richardson

Magic trade pick 14 in the second round and Quentin Richardson to the Mavericks for Shane Todd and Tyson Chandler

Cavs trade pick 20 in the second round to the Rockets for Luis Scola

Alright guys, it seems that even though no trades were made during the regular season, teams did a lot of movement in trades during the draft, we may be on to something here..

Also, the highest rated player in the draft was an 82.
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Big name free agents available..

Chris Paul: Signed with the Kings for 5yr/$100.29 MILL

Evan Turner: Signed with Blazers..

Michael Beasley: Signed with Bucks for 5yrs/83.57 MILL

Eric Gordon: Signed with Indiana for 5yrs/83.57 MILL

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0 Trades this season during the year, but, if what guys are saying is true about editing rookies potentials to allow more trades..

I think if we all do that before we start a season, disable trades until mid january, enable them for the draft, then disable them again until mid-january until the next season, with the edited rookie fix, we might have just found a solution to this..

Let's cross our fingers guys. Does anyone want to test this with me?

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

To me its seems the Home Court Advantage is to make the playoffs play out more realistically, i.e. less upsets. The NBA is the most predictable sport when it comes to playoffs. Rarely does a lower seed beat a higher seed unless its the 4-5 matchup.

But yes i can see how just alternating home wins until game 7 is also unrealistic. Since the HCA was 2k's way of establishing great teams vs worse teams im assuming theres nothing else that can be done. You would think team ratings would control this but it seems it doesnt. If the lakers are overall a 95 and the rockets are an overall 82, then the lakers should win in 4 or 5 games. regardless of home vs away. But i guess this cant be implemented in the game?

I think ur on the money with what 2k does so upsets in playoffs don't happen. And ur idea about team overall playing a factor SHOULD come into account if it doesnt already.

[Serra11]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Yes it works, still have to manage minutes and your roster tho

as for Manu, he's just rated too high at 87, I actually lowered his ratings some

In Rashidi's rosters he's a 82 which mite help him open up to his role

No one on the Celts wants to be traded

Nor does Shannon Brown(overrated)

The cpu in a simmed asso changed Manu's role from 6th man to STAR 'cause his 87 overall.
However Nogster said:
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You have to do rotations for the teams once you are in the season/association. but that means you have to be all 30 teams. Im sure this will be patched.
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[Peter_OS]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Gosens6 2K should hire you to fix the association mode. lol.

Thanks for all the tests bro.

I'm testing the association mode as well, and I can't get any fixes. The road wins must be fixed in a patch. It's an unfair advantage to the home teams when they meet up in the playoffs.

I also wish there was a way to turn off FA signings. I don't like them at the start of the association mode, and during the season. Just like the trades, I have turned them off, and turn them back on, 3 to 4 weeks before the treadline. I get trades happening then.

I also don't like how a team will sign a FA at the beginning of the season, and then trade him away after a week or two. This needs to be addressed as well.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Gosens6 2K should hire you to fix the association mode. lol.

Thanks for all the tests bro.

I'm testing the association mode as well, and I can't get any fixes. The road wins must be fixed in a patch. It's an unfair advantage to the home teams when they meet up in the playoffs.

I also wish there was a way to turn off FA signings. I don't like them at the start of the association mode, and during the season. Just like the trades, I have turned them off, and turn them back on, 3 to 4 weeks before the treadline. I get trades happening then.

No problem, i'm doing it for all of you guys who love to play Association..

The major losses on the road can't be fixed, but, I feel i'm onto something with the trading.

Like I said, editing the rookies like someone else said earlier in the thread, then disabling trades until about Jan. 16th, enabling them again during the draft, and disabling them until Jan. again of next year should help A LOT..

Doing this method, there are much more draft trades, and they all seem to make a lot of sense. I'm going to do this method editing rookies next with chemistry and roles turned off, then with chemistry and roles turned on again..

Hopefully I can get some good results.