It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[Whomario]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

If you want to do that, then the option is there to sim the ENTIRE season without anything else popping up unless u choose to...Turn notifications off for all the teams, turn the injury notifier off, turn off the decision to control the cpu's teams rosters and you can sim an entire season....

How ? Honest question, where do i get the option to sim over a week or a month without the game prompting me to either sim or play ever game, what am i missing here ?

And where do you turn the notifications off ? Wouldn´t it just ask you to turn them off as soon as one occured, but for every team since the game assumes there´s up to 30 guys playing (however that would work). Or is there a menu where you can turn that off ?

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Upload plz!

I can't upload the draft class I am using in my chise now cuz I edited within the association, sorry didn't know about it.

But I plan to create another one and I will upload it. You ARE on ps3 right? Cuz from what I can tell, everyone posting here is on 360.

If u don't wanna wait for me, u can easily do it urself. All I did was decrease every attribute by 7pts except off/def awareness and potential. Which I decreased by 10pts. You also need to change the secondary position of most PGs who have SG has 2nd position. Only a few PGs should have that. I just used their height and weight and how good they were shooting. A 6'0 197lb PG shouldn't ever play SG(you get the hint).

Also, change most PFs 2nd positon, as most have it set to Center and they are only 6'8 or 6'9. What I did here was if they were 6'10 or taller, leave Center for 2nd pos. SGs are placed as SF too when they shouldn't be. Not hard to do tho, don't worry.

I also looked at players personality, and based on that I upped there Emotion attribute. I posted what I use by that already, but it makes the player "alive" imo... if you wat to(I did), change names for some that just had extreme goofy names. I also got rid of ALL mustaches, since they look so bad on players in the game.

I'll post on here when I get around to uploading a draft class, my psn is Titus1108

[ILLSmak]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I started editing potential way down for players under the age of 30, but I wasn't about to sit there and do all of the teams. I'll do it over time...

I can't say I'm right, but I think that the potential has a lot to do with the trade logic and free agents. I think it drives salaries up and makes it so that trades don't happen or players don't get signed (because caps get used up) of course, you'd have to edit rookies or use a class that was edited.

I don't understand how potential works... I never did. I've played 2k every year, but I don't understand exactly how it works. But I do know that anyone over an 80 will likely grow into a superstar no matter what. So, for the most part I try to drop everyone by at least 15 if they are under 30.

I think that if you really wanted to do it right, you would probably want to edit it every year and drop players potential so that they don't get any better after a certain age. But that would take forever. If you are going to play every game and take it hella serious, then that might be worth it.

I am betting (but maybe you guys have already tried this...) that this will change the trade and free agent issue. No comment on the HCA issue.

Edit: And you can already tell the potentials are out of wack just by looking at them. They have some absurdly high ones on semi-all-star players.

-Smak

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Posting my top 30 and putting beside them what their overall is after 5yrs in the lague. Granted, this is 5yrs of auto generated classes that suck, so my edited class, the players may not get the playing time they would get once I have edited classes every year.



1 PG Manny Lopez 73
2 PG Edgar Columbus 71 (85)
3 SG Orlando Navarro 70 (88)
4 PG Nick Dean 70 (83)
5 SF Alton Ruffin 68
6 PG Samuel Webster 67
7 SF Ed Gooding 66
8 PF Greg Welch 63
9 SG Chester Haywood 62
10 SF Joshua McCarty 61 (77)
11 PG Nicholas Dame 61 (77)
12 PF Franklin Reed 61
13 PG Fausto Garibaldi 61 (78)
14 SG Brian Rhodes 61
15 SF Mikael Fredriksson 61
16 SG Jason Powell 61
17 PF Vladimir Costa 61
18 PG Rod Fowlkes 61 (77)
19 SF Guy Woolridge 60 (75)
20 PG Bryant Wood 60
21 PF Stanley Buchanan 59
22 PF Alvin Cox 59
23 SF Herbert O'Bryant 58
24 C Roland Bosh 58
25 SG Jake Wright 56
26 PF Yunlong Yam 56
27 SG Daryl Finley 55
28 PF Lenny Ross 55
29 C Jaime Hutchinson 55
30 SG Jerome Swanson 50


Players not updated were nowhere to be found! I assume they retired?!? Since they prolly were sitting in the FAs cuz of the super powered draft classes that were coming in, the game had them retire to give room for the new players. Didn't really pay attention to that. But they are def not on a roster, nor FAs! Good news is, after 5yrs, the players that I did find progressed well

If draft class players sit in the FA list (without playing in the Dleague)

They will disappear, I guess they went overseas lol

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

If draft class players sit in the FA list (without playing in the Dleague)

They will disappear, I guess they went overseas lol

Ya, I dunno what happened, weird glitch I guess lol...I didn't think to check the D-league but not even sure how to do that for every team... Oh well, I'm happy with the results of the few players I found. I'll keep editing the same way every year, and it seems like it will be good

[timid]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

How ? Honest question, where do i get the option to sim over a week or a month without the game prompting me to either sim or play ever game, what am i missing here ?

And where do you turn the notifications off ? Wouldn´t it just ask you to turn them off as soon as one occured, but for every team since the game assumes there´s up to 30 guys playing (however that would work). Or is there a menu where you can turn that off ?

The game does give you the option to sim the whole season correct? You probably have to set all lineup changes for cpu...All this stuff is in the assoc options, you gotta look in there..Thats all I said...If you wanna sim the week or month, u just gotta yes keep hitting down, a, which we've been doing forever in sports games to sim...I still can't believe its really that much work, seriously...I dunno what else u want...

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

What up guys. Been meaning to jump into this discussion for a while now but I spent ALL of yesterday messing with draft classes and doing some research. I guess I will start with the good news. I posted some draft classes on 2K share that appear to be working well for some people so I'm happy about that. I actually tweaked a little more and have been getting even better results. The key is to have a John Wall or Evan Turner type player in there every now and then, but keeping the rest of the draft significantly lower than what 2K gives you. My initial problem was that I allowed too many 68 and 69 overall players to maintain that overall. Its cool to have a few but not too many as they can quickly jump to 80+ within a few years. Now that would be no problem if we just lowered their potential right? Wrong.

As Jukeman stated earlier, you can lower potential to 25 and the player will continue to rise as much as 3 or 4 points a year even without playing time. After doing more simulating then you can imagine, I think that this is the problem (I explained this in my Ten things you may not know about draft classes thread in the roster forum). When 2K gives you a draft class to edit, many of those scrubs have unusually high potential ratings. You can lower them all you want, but I think it is already hard coded to abide by the initial rating that 2K generated. I know its sounds stupid and far fetched but consider this:

I got a generated draft and targeted two players: A 71 small forward with 62 potential and a 59 shooting guard with 87 potential. So I raised the small forwards potential to 96 and lowered the shooting guards potential to 30. However after 4 years, the shooting guard had an overall of 74 and our small forward had a rating of a 79.

With a 30 potential, and no playing time for the first two years, that shooting guard should not have sniffed a 70 rating. My "96 potential" small forward got significant playing time and still only increased an average of 2 points per year with 96 freaking potential. I mean, I could be wrong but something doesn't seem right there. So what I have done to keep things balanced (and this is gonna sound like wayyy to much work) is simply look at each teams progression of players and simply decrease their overall if they did not perform or have the potential to warrant that respective amount of progression. Sigh.

And on top of that, I have come across an issue where the game freezes immediately following the preseason in 2017 if you attempt to consistently use your own loaded draft classes every year. The only way I was able to continue was to either use a 2K generated draft class or edit the draft class within the Association mode. This happened to me three times in three different Associations and the exact same spot each time. I hope for everyone elses sake that it is just my console or disc but I don't know man.

Smh, I hope someone can have more success than me.

Happen to me also, I think we have a limit to how many classes we can upload

The good thing tho is that we still can edit the class within the association mode...Yet more work lol

I also hope that POT thing is a bug

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I started editing potential way down for players under the age of 30, but I wasn't about to sit there and do all of the teams. I'll do it over time...

I can't say I'm right, but I think that the potential has a lot to do with the trade logic and free agents. I think it drives salaries up and makes it so that trades don't happen or players don't get signed (because caps get used up) of course, you'd have to edit rookies or use a class that was edited.

I don't understand how potential works... I never did. I've played 2k every year, but I don't understand exactly how it works. But I do know that anyone over an 80 will likely grow into a superstar no matter what. So, for the most part I try to drop everyone by at least 15 if they are under 30.

I think that if you really wanted to do it right, you would probably want to edit it every year and drop players potential so that they don't get any better after a certain age. But that would take forever. If you are going to play every game and take it hella serious, then that might be worth it.

I am betting (but maybe you guys have already tried this...) that this will change the trade and free agent issue. No comment on the HCA issue.

Edit: And you can already tell the potentials are out of wack just by looking at them. They have some absurdly high ones on semi-all-star players.

-Smak

Yea either POT is bug (for growth) or progression points are random (59 player jumping to 76 with low POT and sporadic PT)

I do know POT affects a players value, Im 100% sure about that...Even in the draft I saw a 70 rated rookie drop to the second round (only 3 70 rated players in that class) because I dropped his POT to 25

Have anyone notice how many 5* trade value players their are vs 1* and 2* vs 4*????

Im guessing there arent many players with low value (since POT was inflated across the board[Michael Redd])

Therefore lack of trades (I had as high as 8 trades in year two with edited classes, still too low)

[CWSapp757]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

You are absolutely right Juke about potential affecting value. But that's a big problem though. It will make it way to easy to have a team of studs if you can just acquire a higher rated player with a low potential rating in the second round and watch him jump 3 or 4 points. I hope that we can make enough noise about the potential issue so that it can be patched.

As far as the freezing, I kinda doubt that they will or even can do anything about that. I think you are right when you say that we have a limit that we simply just can not surpass. Sucks... big time.

[mosdef328]

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Thanks for the response CW, I'm gonna DL your class when I get home and start a franchise with it, I guess I'll just write down which one of your draft classes I use each year so I dont get repeats thanks for all the work!

[CWSapp757]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Ill probably put some more up there soon man but the ones up there now should suffice for now.

[Fiasco West]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I don't think i'm cool with all of this editing we have to do. I really hope 2k can fix their draft classes and potential.

Otherwise I'm afraid no association for me.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I don't think i'm cool with all of this editing we have to do. I really hope 2k can fix their draft classes and potential.

Otherwise I'm afraid no association for me.

Yeah and it would get even more tedious as it seem we can only load a limited number off draft classes and after the limit we have to edit our own draft class within our own legacy....

Lucky for me, I plan on doing this since 2k10, sucks for anyone who doesnt have the patience of editing nor wants to man all 29 teams

[erickonasis]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

i really really hate the choice of topic title...It should somehow say for SIM users who dont actually play the games

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

i really really hate the choice of topic title...It should somehow say for SIM users who dont actually play the games

So just because you play all of the games means none of these problems will happen for you once you get to the off-season and past year two?

Also, even if you do play all of your games, the records are still out of whack for the CPU teams..

Didn't we already have this argument the other day?