It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[fcabanski]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

How does a dev team have Jordan a 79 as a rookie in create a legend, then generate draft classes with multiple 80+ rated players, then not notice these draft classes destroy trading and FA?

The ball was dropped. Hopefully it can be fixed in a patch.

[cj54]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

1 LeBron James- 76
2 Darko Milicic- 43 (Centers are highly valued)
3 Carmelo Anthony- 72
4 Chris Bosh- 66
5 Dwyane Wade- 79
6 Chris Kaman- 60
7 Kirk Hinrich - 59
8 T.J. Ford- 60
9 Mike Sweetney- 42
10 Jarvis Hayes- 56
11 Mickael Pietrus- 60
12 Nick Collison- 57
13 Marcus Banks- 52
14 Luke Ridnour- 62
15 Reece Gaines- N/A
16 Troy Bell- N/A
17 Zarko Cabarkapa- N/A
18 David West- 66
19 Aleksandar Pavlovic- 43
20 Dahntay Jones- 66
21 Boris Diaw- 62
22 Zoran Planinic- N/A
23 Travis Outlaw- 56
24 Brian Cook- 46
25 Carlos Delfino- 58
26 Ndudi Edi- N/A
27 Kendrick Perkins- 52
28 Leandrinho Barboso- 57
29 Josh Howard- 62

*2nd round notes*

Steve Blake- 60
Kyle Korver- 51

Here's your reference

Compare this to the rookies in both NBA2k10 and NBA2k11

*Bonus*

Arenas would have been a 62

Do you edit the current roster as well? Because John wall is a 80 so as a rookie he is rated better than Lebron James rookie.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Do you edit the current roster as well? Because John wall is a 80 so as a rookie he is rated better than Lebron James rookie.

No, I ignored that since 2k overrated him.

Most rosters would prolly have him high 70's once the season start anyway.

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

This makes sense on paper, but have you looked at these players attributes?

You can take them and win a championship now with some of the players coming out

Also, My Player is a perfect example that you dont need inflated ratings to be effective in 2k Basketball

EXACTLY! You;re rated a 48ovr in My Player, and can essentially lead ur team in scoring if u wanted to.

Yea, just notice you're on PS3, CW fixed the secondary positions too!

It would have been good if you could have used his because bout time you (or anyone) finish year 1, there should be more classes to DL)






Here another food for thought,

The highest rated player in the game is 97

Seem like guys can progress 8-21 points up until they are 26-27years old (19 year olds have more time to develop than a 22 year olds) and they progress every year no matter if its 1 pt or 5 (2 or 3 pts on average, you wont see a player get +5 in OVR more than one year in a row)

With this logic, LBJ (The 97) would have been a 76 as a rookie

Here's how the 1st round of the 2003 NBA Draft would look like with 2k11's logic (Keep in mind that POT will increase their value or draft stock and 2k's rosters overate/underrate players)


1 LeBron James- 76
2 Darko Milicic- 43 (Centers are highly valued)
3 Carmelo Anthony- 72
4 Chris Bosh- 66
5 Dwyane Wade- 79
6 Chris Kaman- 60
7 Kirk Hinrich - 59
8 T.J. Ford- 60
9 Mike Sweetney- 42
10 Jarvis Hayes- 56
11 Mickael Pietrus- 60
12 Nick Collison- 57
13 Marcus Banks- 52
14 Luke Ridnour- 62
15 Reece Gaines- N/A
16 Troy Bell- N/A
17 Zarko Cabarkapa- N/A
18 David West- 66
19 Aleksandar Pavlovic- 43
20 Dahntay Jones- 66
21 Boris Diaw- 62
22 Zoran Planinic- N/A
23 Travis Outlaw- 56
24 Brian Cook- 46
25 Carlos Delfino- 58
26 Ndudi Edi- N/A
27 Kendrick Perkins- 52
28 Leandrinho Barboso- 57
29 Josh Howard- 62

*2nd round notes*

Steve Blake- 60
Kyle Korver- 51

Here's your reference

Compare this to the rookies in both NBA2k10 and NBA2k11

*Bonus*

Arenas would have been a 62

I like that! I'm editing a draft class as I type this, and will write down the top 30 ovr wise on here when finished and compare. For anyone that is on ps3 I can upload the draft class I'm editing now when finished if someone could tell me how to do it.

And if there is ANYONE that's on ps3 that would be willing to help edit some draft classes and upload, that'd be great. I'll do this one, and someone can do another using the same thing I'm doing, and we'd have 2 years of association mode to start at least.

[Whomario]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

This makes sense on paper, but have you looked at these players attributes?

You can take them and win a championship now with some of the players coming out

Also, My Player is a perfect example that you dont need inflated ratings to be effective in 2k Basketball

I never meant not to lower the rookies ratings, all i said is that simply lowering every single attribute by a certain (equal) number isn´t working gameplay wise. The single skills actually aren´t too good (rookies aren´t too effective on the court or in sims) it´s sum of them (overall) that is presenting a problem for the game.
They don´t shoot too well or rebound too good, they just get a too high OVRL rating due to them being too well-rounded overall. Take away 10 points in 2,3 key ratings to the position and you get your lower overall.

That´s what CwSap does if i´m correct.

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I never meant not to lower the rookies ratings, all i said is that simply lowering every single attribute by a certain (equal) number isn´t working gameplay wise. The single skills actually aren´t too good (rookies aren´t too effective on the court or in sims) it´s sum of them (overall) that is presenting a problem for the game.
They don´t shoot too well or rebound too good, they just get a too high OVRL rating due to them being too well-rounded overall. Take away 10 points in 2,3 key ratings to the position and you get your lower overall.

That´s what CwSap does if i´m correct.

I get what ur saying bro trust me..But a rookie PG from what Im editing, their rebounding isn't high anyway, so lowering it by 7 won't drop his overall I agree. Dropping the shooting ability, passing, etc etc will.

Just easier for me to go down the line and drop everything by 7pts EXCEPT off/def awareness, and potential which I'm dropping by 10pts.


Draft class I'm editing now, the highest rated player(overall), will be a PG Manny Lopez at a 73ovr. He is 21, so going off what juke says, he will stop progressing after 5yrs in the leauge. Say he goes up 4pts for 5 years(prolly won't happen, but that's the max I'm goin). That's a 98ovr then!!

So at a 73, more than like over the 5yrs he has to progress, the "best player" available in the 2011 draft will only progress to a mid to upper 80s, and maybeee break the low 90s. That I can live with and is realistic.

Next guy in line is a 20yr old PG named Edgar Columbus. He is rated a 71 overall, so 6yrs progressing at 5pts/year at MAX, then he will reach 99, but again highly unlikely! I see this guy going to to mid 80s for sure prolly, then start plateu out for a few yrs, then regress down.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I never meant not to lower the rookies ratings, all i said is that simply lowering every single attribute by a certain (equal) number isn´t working gameplay wise. The single skills actually aren´t too good (rookies aren´t too effective on the court or in sims) it´s sum of them (overall) that is presenting a problem for the game.
They don´t shoot too well or rebound too good, they just get a too high OVRL rating due to them being too well-rounded overall. Take away 10 points in 2,3 key ratings to the position and you get your lower overall.

That´s what CwSap does if i´m correct.

I agree, you would rate then fair at what they do well and are getting drafted for but all the other attributes you have to get them room for improvement...

For example, Barboso would have a pretty good layup, inside/close shot rating but his def awr and on ball d wouldnt be comparable to a 5 year vet who's been a starter in the league...

This year, players progress at a fast rate

Dleague players put up fine stats and they are on this scale

[Serra11]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So with rookies rated so low will the cpu trade players and sign FA after seaon 1???

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So with rookies rated so low will the cpu trade players and sign FA after seaon 1???

Sign FAs, I would say yes. Trade? This still won't fix that bug. But I'm sure things will get patched like the no trading deal so no worries. Almost done editing draft class btw for those on ps3! Will post top 30 players ovr and best at each position

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Sign FAs, I would say yes. Trade? This still won't fix that bug. But I'm sure things will get patched like the no trading deal so no worries. Almost done editing draft class btw for those on ps3! Will post top 30 players ovr and best at each position

I had got 20 Trades in year 1 then 5 in year 2

FA was very fine

I also notice that some trades wasnt showing up on the league news screen, there was a couple players who "magically" appeared on another team (Im 60% positive he didnt sign with them lol)

Also a couple of draft day trades that went down didnt not show up (1000% positive of that)

This is something to watch out for

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Here another food for thought,

The highest rated player in the game is 97

Seem like guys can progress 8-21 points up until they are 26-27years old (19 year olds have more time to develop than a 22 year olds) and they progress every year no matter if its 1 pt or 5 (2 or 3 pts on average, you wont see a player get +5 in OVR more than one year in a row)

With this logic, LBJ (The 97) would have been a 76 as a rookie

Here's how the 1st round of the 2003 NBA Draft would look like with 2k11's logic (Keep in mind that POT will increase their value or draft stock and 2k's rosters overate/underrate players)


1 LeBron James- 76
2 Darko Milicic- 43 (Centers are highly valued)
3 Carmelo Anthony- 72
4 Chris Bosh- 66
5 Dwyane Wade- 79
6 Chris Kaman- 60
7 Kirk Hinrich - 59
8 T.J. Ford- 60
9 Mike Sweetney- 42
10 Jarvis Hayes- 56
11 Mickael Pietrus- 60
12 Nick Collison- 57
13 Marcus Banks- 52
14 Luke Ridnour- 62
15 Reece Gaines- N/A
16 Troy Bell- N/A
17 Zarko Cabarkapa- N/A
18 David West- 66
19 Aleksandar Pavlovic- 43
20 Dahntay Jones- 66
21 Boris Diaw- 62
22 Zoran Planinic- N/A
23 Travis Outlaw- 56
24 Brian Cook- 46
25 Carlos Delfino- 58
26 Ndudi Edi- N/A
27 Kendrick Perkins- 52
28 Leandrinho Barboso- 57
29 Josh Howard- 62

*2nd round notes*

Steve Blake- 60
Kyle Korver- 51

Here's your reference

Compare this to the rookies in both NBA2k10 and NBA2k11

Here is my EDITED 2011 draft class now Top 30, so projected 1st round talent.


1 PG Manny Lopez 73
2 PG Edgar Columbus 71
3 SG Orlando Navarro 70
4 PG Nick Dean 70
5 SF Alton Ruffin 68
6 PG Samuel Webster 67
7 SF Ed Gooding 66
8 PF Greg Welch 63
9 SG Chester Haywood 62
10 SF Joshua McCarty 61
11 PG Nicholas Dame 61
12 PF Franklin Reed 61
13 PG Fausto Garibaldi 61
14 SG Brian Rhodes 61
15 SF Mikael Fredriksson 61
16 SG Jason Powell 61
17 PF Vladimir Costa 61
18 PG Rod Fowlkes 61
19 SF Guy Woolridge 60
20 PG Bryant Wood 60
21 PF Stanley Buchanan 59
22 PF Alvin Cox 59
23 SF Herbert O'Bryant 58
24 C Roland Bosh 58
25 SG Jake Wrighht 56
26 PF Yunlong Yam 56
27 SG Daryl Finley 55
28 PF Lenny Ross 55
29 C Jaime Hutchinson 55
30 SG Jerome Swanson 50


Pretty darn good draft class imo..what do u guys think?? I can upload to ps3 for anyone that would like to see it.

I want to now go back thru(cuz I didnt think of it til now), and guys with expressive or unpredictable personalities...raise the attribute "Emotion" up, cuz everyone is at 25 to start with!

EDIT: Here's how I'm gonna edit the emotion att. if they are "laid back" I'll raise emotion to 35.
Neutral- 50
Unpredictable- 70
Expressive- 80

Well it's not gonna be exactly those numbers, but pretty close to around there, let's just say that's the minimum ha

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

WOW you guys take a lok at this!

With my edited draft class I have, I simmed a season ok? I have no clue if it's a fluke or what but the road recors vs home records were GREAT!! I'm just going to list the Divisional standings (Road record in parenthesis) cuz it's that good!

Heat 66-16 (30-11) <--- UHHH whaaat?!?
Hawks 49-33 (18-23)
Magic 45-37 (17-24)
Bobcats 34-48 (8-33)
Wizards 34-48 (10-31)

Bucks 45-37 (14-27)
Pacers 39-43 (11-30)
Bulls 38-44 (12-29)
Cavs 33-49 (10-31)
Pistons 32-50 (9-32)

Celtics 62-20 (27-14)
Knicks 40-42 (10-31)
Raptors 33-49 (7-34)
Nets 31-51 (8-33)
76ers 31-51 (10-31)
================================================== =====
Lakers 56-26 (24-17)
Kings 35-27 (10-31)
Clippers 34-48 (12-29)
Warriors 34-48 (9-32)
Suns 30-52 (8-33)

Nuggets 45-37 (14-27)
Thunder 45-37 (19-22)
Jazz 38-44 (8-33)
Blazers 38-44 (17-24)
T-Wolves 36-46 (10-31)

Spurs 55-27 (20-21)
Mavs 53-29 (16-25)
Rockets 44-38 (15-26)
Grizzlies 40-42 (13-28)
Hornets 35-47 (10-31)
================================================== ========
Lakers win championship 4-2 over Miami...
22 in season trades...

Kings select PG Edgar Columbus #1

Draft Day trade(s): Bulls trade 2011 1st Rd pick(16), Kyle Korver; Suns trade Luis Scola and Channing Frye....

Bobcats trade 2011 2nd rd pick(9), 2012 1st Rd pick; 76ers trade Andres Nocioni and 2012 2nd Rd pick

Did not see the glitch where the same player is drafted either.

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Posting my top 30 and putting beside them what their overall is after 5yrs in the lague. Granted, this is 5yrs of auto generated classes that suck, so my edited class, the players may not get the playing time they would get once I have edited classes every year.



1 PG Manny Lopez 73
2 PG Edgar Columbus 71 (85)
3 SG Orlando Navarro 70 (88)
4 PG Nick Dean 70 (83)
5 SF Alton Ruffin 68
6 PG Samuel Webster 67
7 SF Ed Gooding 66
8 PF Greg Welch 63
9 SG Chester Haywood 62
10 SF Joshua McCarty 61 (77)
11 PG Nicholas Dame 61 (77)
12 PF Franklin Reed 61
13 PG Fausto Garibaldi 61 (78)
14 SG Brian Rhodes 61
15 SF Mikael Fredriksson 61
16 SG Jason Powell 61
17 PF Vladimir Costa 61
18 PG Rod Fowlkes 61 (77)
19 SF Guy Woolridge 60 (75)
20 PG Bryant Wood 60
21 PF Stanley Buchanan 59
22 PF Alvin Cox 59
23 SF Herbert O'Bryant 58
24 C Roland Bosh 58
25 SG Jake Wright 56
26 PF Yunlong Yam 56
27 SG Daryl Finley 55
28 PF Lenny Ross 55
29 C Jaime Hutchinson 55
30 SG Jerome Swanson 50


Players not updated were nowhere to be found! I assume they retired?!? Since they prolly were sitting in the FAs cuz of the super powered draft classes that were coming in, the game had them retire to give room for the new players. Didn't really pay attention to that. But they are def not on a roster, nor FAs! Good news is, after 5yrs, the players that I did find progressed well

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

everyone just cool with the issues now? Lol

[timid]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

This thread had me real worried about the game being busted.

While all of the flaws in this thread exist to some extent, they are not nearly as bad as this thread would lead you to believe.

Maybe it was just the luck of the draw, but each year I saw a handful of teams (Lakers, Heat) with winning away records.

I hope 2K tweaks some of this stuff, but people shouldn't let this scare them away from a deep franchise mode.

Actually most of these problems don't exist if you're not too lazy to control all 30 teams...People act like you have to make all the decisions for the cpu teams...YOU DON'T....You can set those options for the cpu to make their own decisions and leave the FA signings and the draft to the USER.....This allows you to change player's roles on other teams...Personally, I like the fact that players may get upset when u lower their minutes....Then I can decide whether to change their role, their minutes or to trade them to another team for another disgruntled player....It really doesn't take that much time to do this **** yall...Especially the guys who say they ONLY play association mode....Hell, even if 2K fixed those problems, its STILL better to control all 30 teams. A human will always make better decisions than the AI....So I can really make trades where both teams will benefit....For instance..Marcus Camby is obviously upset of lack of PT. Well he's on Portland with Aldridge, Oden, and Prizbilla...And they have the other dude at PF too, can't think of his name....So what I did is go through the rosters and find a players who's unhappy who also plays a position that Portland needs...Well they could use a SF as batum and webster aren't rated that highly so I traded Camby who's like a 74 in my assoc for hedo turkoglu...They needed a center and the Blazers got a good SF...Salary's don't have to match as you can just turn trade override on....That part might not be totally realistic but it helps be keep the game balanced....With me controlling the trades, I can take into account a players contract, how many years they have left, age, their worth to the team...I even may check a players recent stats before I trade them and the teams record. Even if a team really needs a player at a spot badly, I may not make any moves for that team if they're playing well....You can get really creative with the association....Its either that or keep bitching about problems that can be fixed...ALL of them can't be fixed but you can do something...