Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I have been reading this thread and your tips are great.

Totally disagree about your view on sliders though. Nothing wrong with tweaking a game to play like you want it.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

haha this thread was great. thanks for the tips OP. coming on to OS and hating on sliders and people complaining about socks isnt gonna win u many friends, i totally agree with u though. I wish i knew more about basketball...

Some of the PM's have been cool. Some of the comments on XBL haven't been. You've got to take the good with the bad.

Thanks.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I have been reading this thread and your tips are great.

Totally disagree about your view on sliders though. Nothing wrong with tweaking a game to play like you want it.

Thanks, but I think we may have a fundamental disagreement about something. Can't put my finger on it....

lol, have a good one.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Yes it is philosophical my man. Gaming philosophy.

When I'm not good at a game, I look to play on harder difficulties or in the case of shooters, against people that are better than me. My ego forces me to not be anyone's liability and eventually, I get better. I can relate and even empathize with choice A. Hell, way back in the day I would do this playing San Andreas, lol.

I stopped lowering the difficulty when I realized that I wasn't getting better at the game. With that being said: I LOWER THE DIFFICULTY DOWN TO SUPERSTAR AND PLAY QUICK GAMES WHEN LEARNING NEW (GENERIC) PLAYS 70% OF THE TIME. Once I get the hang of it, I go back up. Is that hypocritical? Probably. The difference is I don't stay down there. I need to see adequate D and adjust for realistic timing.

Getting back to why I asked the question. In general, most people would drop the difficulty. My point in this thread comes from that inference and some annoyed personal experiences with friends (and a StonyBrook dorm room). I didn't think it was a far-fetched conclusion to draw that people do change the gameplay sliders as they would the difficulty to make the game easier/more enjoyable/playable. Apparently, in a hypothetical situation, neither do you. Again, gaming philosophy.

When a game is too difficult it is usually a result of me not being good enough as opposed to being overly difficult. While I do lower the difficulty if I am having problems with multiple aspects, if I am struggling with TOV's I do not lower the slider to compensate. First I consider what I am doing wrong. I learn from my mistakes. But I do not do stay at lower difficulties. I learn the game mechanics and move up.

Adjusting the sliders is a way to lower the difficulty in specific areas of the game, but that is not the only purpose. As I said I play association games exclusively. My team are the Wizards. Now I am sure you are aware that they kind of suck. When I play a sports game it is not because I enjoy videogames, it is because I am sports fan, so realism takes precedence over everything else. Including my success. Without adjusting sliders I was not getting realistic results. FG % was off, TOVs were not accurate, too many offensive rebounds, etc. Most importantly I was doing too well.
As the Wizards I was on pace for a 4th place finish (conference, not division). It just did not feel like actual basketball. More often than I like I was getting blocks on perimeter jumpshots. Fouls were never a factor. So I adjusted sliders.

The result after my slider tweaks were: 1.) Most importantly I limped to a 36 win season, 2.) Wall shot 43% from the field but got to the line often, Gil shot 44% (38% from 3), Nick Young was a liability on defense, I excelled in transition but struggled in the halfcourt set pretty often, long story short my stats were pretty close to what you could expect from the Wizards.

Did I lower some of the sliders? Absolutely. Vertical and off. rebounds took big hits (I should add that the majority of the time if I lower AI sliders I do the same to user -- I keep it equal), so did hands and pass accuracy (prior most to's were the result of steals. Now some are the result of wayward passes and dropped passes and it mimics the mix up TO's).

I adjusted several other sliders with the intent of creating a realistic experience. Has nothing to do with winning games. Using the Wizards I should not be winning a bunch of games (realism my man, lol) so if I start winning more than I like I either adjust sliders if my success is due to one aspect, or I boost the difficulty.

You said in your association you are 12-1. Who are you using? If you use a sub par team I would adjust sliders. Knicks and T-Wolves should not be 12-1.

I call plays 90% of the time. I rarely just free flow and try to iso with Wall, because it would not work in real life so it doesn't work in my game. What I do is call plays designed to have Wall coming off P&R hoping for mismatches if I wanna attack.

Point is that the game does not offer the best realism right out of the box.

[hq3000]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Thank you! Leave it to a fellow Queens resident to get one of my abortions of the English language.

(Actually, insipid means things that are uninspired or dull but normally used for actions or creations (ALA Standard). Bored carries a different connotation...close, but it really shouldn't be interchangeable.)

The other is writing about something the I loathe, but have only had a small window of time to pass a judgment on, then offering to do something to change it. Exactly what I'm asking people to do by trying the tips that I put to them. That's patronizing journalistic symbolism (favorite topic in college 4 years ago).

No, you cant have bland rage. Like you cant have quiet riot. Just a literary tool used to get people to read, Daily Post style. (For what it's worth, I tried to work in Ethos, Pathos and Logos collectively in my responses.)


Now to the rest of the post, part of the draw to this site to me was Czar addressing Sim Ballers almost exclusively on his (10 teams, 10 days) videos. That's important to me. It's not those people who are casual players who struggle with basketball concepts because the superstars drew them into the game that I'm targeting here (although, they may be offended). It's the sim ballers. It's the people who STARTED OUT saying the game is broken and resorted to changing the game to fit their taste, then still said that they were sim ballers. Attack me for sitting up on my high horse if you will, I'm doing the same thing to them. I posted and responded to almost everyone here with directed resolutions, not more problems because I wanted to restore that "sim baller" principle. That's what I was disappointed in, that's what I was getting after.

Now that all of that is out of the way, let's try to avoid attacking me for being condescending by trying to be condescending to me. It limits my responses a bit.

Now I sound like a jerk. Just continue to write those tips. They're good points.

P.S.

Why exactly did you put insipid in your title? A pun? An oxymoron? I'm serious and not trying to sound like a jerk. I know its close to an oxymoron but its not. Is there a term for it. I understand what you wrote and it seemed like you were trying to make an oxymoron. Maybe there is a word out there for something that is close to an oxymoron. My English not so good.

[Bears_16_and_0]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Some of the PM's have been cool. Some of the comments on XBL haven't been. You've got to take the good with the bad.

Thanks.

people send you comments over XBL hating? creepy

[hq3000]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

people send you comments over XBL hating? creepy

That is creepy. Sorry about everything I said. People are weird on this forum sometimes. Thanks for helping how to do a give and go.

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

When a game is too difficult it is usually a result of me not being good enough as opposed to being overly difficult. While I do lower the difficulty if I am having problems with multiple aspects, if I am struggling with TOV's I do not lower the slider to compensate. First I consider what I am doing wrong. I learn from my mistakes. But I do not do stay at lower difficulties. I learn the game mechanics and move up.

Adjusting the sliders is a way to lower the difficulty in specific areas of the game, but that is not the only purpose. As I said I play association games exclusively. My team are the Wizards. Now I am sure you are aware that they kind of suck. When I play a sports game it is not because I enjoy videogames, it is because I am sports fan, so realism takes precedence over everything else. Including my success. Without adjusting sliders I was not getting realistic results. FG % was off, TOVs were not accurate, too many offensive rebounds, etc. Most importantly I was doing too well.
As the Wizards I was on pace for a 4th place finish (conference, not division). It just did not feel like actual basketball. More often than I like I was getting blocks on perimeter jumpshots. Fouls were never a factor. So I adjusted sliders.

The result after my slider tweaks were: 1.) Most importantly I limped to a 36 win season, 2.) Wall shot 43% from the field but got to the line often, Gil shot 44% (38% from 3), Nick Young was a liability on defense, I excelled in transition but struggled in the halfcourt set pretty often, long story short my stats were pretty close to what you could expect from the Wizards.

Did I lower some of the sliders? Absolutely. Vertical and off. rebounds took big hits (I should add that the majority of the time if I lower AI sliders I do the same to user -- I keep it equal), so did hands and pass accuracy (prior most to's were the result of steals. Now some are the result of wayward passes and dropped passes and it mimics the mix up TO's).

I adjusted several other sliders with the intent of creating a realistic experience. Has nothing to do with winning games. Using the Wizards I should not be winning a bunch of games (realism my man, lol) so if I start winning more than I like I either adjust sliders if my success is due to one aspect, or I boost the difficulty.

You said in your association you are 12-1. Who are you using? If you use a sub par team I would adjust sliders. Knicks and T-Wolves should not be 12-1.

I call plays 90% of the time. I rarely just free flow and try to iso with Wall, because it would not work in real life so it doesn't work in my game. What I do is call plays designed to have Wall coming off P&R hoping for mismatches if I wanna attack.

Point is that the game does not offer the best realism right out of the box.

this is well said, and also the point of using sliders when beating the game at the game isn't the point.

[timid]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

You lost me as soon as you said people use sliders to make the game "easier"...so far from the case its laughable...If anything, most people adjust sliders to make the game HARDER...putting the cpu's defensive awareness, help d, etc on 100......

[2kfanatic]

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I really can't beat the heat on HoF lol. I guess my offense is ok at best but my main problem is there are shots that to me is just impossible to stop most of the time and I really don't know how to defend that (contested jumpshots and contact in the paint shots). The worst part is if they do miss a shot they will most likely get an offensive board and dunk it but this probably is my fault.

But what I really like about the hall of fame is that I don't have to have the "oh **** I should stop driving now cause my PiP is more than 50% already" mentality since the difficulty will produce a simulation percentage that we did not get in the past 2k games.

[threes_co]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

^Agree 100% w/ the second paragraph.

[blad3runner]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I think the majority of people here that adjust sliders, do it not because the game is too difficult, but because certain aspects are unbalanced or not realistic. Like for EG, increasing CPU shot sliders, because CPU doesn't shoot too well, or decreasing it, because they shoot unrealistically at a higher difficulty.

Yes I am pretty sure there are occasions where some people can't be bothered to practice on something, for EG, ISO to get past defender, so they decrease the ON BALL D slider or something, but the majority here, including myself, adjust the sliders to make the game more balanced and enjoyable.

Editing rosters and sliders makes a HUGE difference in the gameplay.

It really depends how you want to play. If you want a more arcadish experience and having it more challenging due to unrealistic shots going in by CPU, then by all means leave sliders alone and play at a higher difficulty, but there is definitely nothing wrong with adjusting sliders for more balanced and realistic gameplay.

That's the beauty of sliders though, adjusting the game to the way you want.

If you want a really challenging experience, but unrealistic, you can just use the pre-set 'Casual' sliders and HOF difficulty

Others might want a balanced and realistic as possible experience, hence the slider adjustments.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I really can't beat the heat on HoF lol. I guess my offense is ok at best but my main problem is there are shots that to me is just impossible to stop most of the time and I really don't know how to defend that (contested jumpshots and contact in the paint shots). The worst part is if they do miss a shot they will most likely get an offensive board and dunk it but this probably is my fault.

But what I really like about the hall of fame is that I don't have to have the "oh **** I should stop driving now cause my PiP is more than 50% already" mentality since the difficulty will produce a simulation percentage that we did not get in the past 2k games.

Lmao, i'm really mad at myself for losing to them in double OT. I really hate the lakers and I should have practiced with them before I started playing but my ego thought better of that idea, trying to show off for here, lol. Lamar Odom gets hut after hitting a 3 late in the fourth during my comeback and I just felt the momentum shift slowly to the Heat. I got stats and box scores for you.

What I will say is that starting Shannon Brown at the point helps a lot with the D. I had Kobe guarding Arroyo and Monica's fiancee guarded flash. Not a bad idea. Fisher and Barnes didn't get in till the second half during my defensive stand and my 3pt onslaught.

Advice wise, I would say that 42 and 32 power for Kobe is amazing if you know post moves and use icon lead passing. 23 Pin for Artest actually does a great job getting Gasol good looks especially when Big Z is in the game. 34 Quick for Odom gives you about a million options because it's a 1/4 low set. 1/4 Low sets are my personal favorite (i used to run em in traveling teams back in the day) and breaking them on purpose puts the starting 5 in 1 of their top 2 scoring positions according to their tendencies. I'm mad I lost that game! Damn! With a little of practice, I would have been able to take advantage of Jumaine Jones playing Artest and Matt Barnes. Grrr, pictures in my next post.

My fault I couldn't get the W.

[2kfanatic]

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Lmao, i'm really mad at myself for losing to them in double OT. I really hate the lakers and I should have practiced with them before I started playing but my ego thought better of that idea, trying to show off for here, lol. Lamar Odom gets hut after hitting a 3 late in the fourth during my comeback and I just felt the momentum shift slowly to the Heat. I got stats and box scores for you.

What I will say is that starting Shannon Brown at the point helps a lot with the D. I had Kobe guarding Arroyo and Monica's fiancee guarded flash. Not a bad idea. Fisher and Barnes didn't get in till the second half during my defensive stand and my 3pt onslaught.

Advice wise, I would say that 42 and 32 power for Kobe is amazing if you know post moves and use icon lead passing. 23 Pin for Artest actually does a great job getting Gasol good looks especially when Big Z is in the game. 34 Quick for Odom gives you about a million options because it's a 1/4 low set. 1/4 Low sets are my personal favorite (i used to run em in traveling teams back in the day) and breaking them on purpose puts the starting 5 in 1 of their top 2 scoring positions according to their tendencies. I'm mad I lost that game! Damn! With a little of practice, I would have been able to take advantage of Jumaine Jones playing Artest and Matt Barnes. Grrr, pictures in my next post.

My fault I couldn't get the W.

Haha at this point I would be happy if I can get the game as close as possible even if I don't win hahaha. My main problem is I can't shut anyone down in the big 3 and I can't really score consistently with the other players other than kobe and gasol (maybe odom sometimes but I can't use ron's game to my advantage).

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Lmao, i'm really mad at myself for losing to them in double OT. I really hate the lakers and I should have practiced with them before I started playing but my ego thought better of that idea, trying to show off for here, lol. Lamar Odom gets hut after hitting a 3 late in the fourth during my comeback and I just felt the momentum shift slowly to the Heat. I got stats and box scores for you.

What I will say is that starting Shannon Brown at the point helps a lot with the D. I had Kobe guarding Arroyo and Monica's fiancee guarded flash. Not a bad idea. Fisher and Barnes didn't get in till the second half during my defensive stand and my 3pt onslaught.

Advice wise, I would say that 42 and 32 power for Kobe is amazing if you know post moves and use icon lead passing. 23 Pin for Artest actually does a great job getting Gasol good looks especially when Big Z is in the game. 34 Quick for Odom gives you about a million options because it's a 1/4 low set. 1/4 Low sets are my personal favorite (i used to run em in traveling teams back in the day) and breaking them on purpose puts the starting 5 in 1 of their top 2 scoring positions according to their tendencies. I'm mad I lost that game! Damn! With a little of practice, I would have been able to take advantage of Jumaine Jones playing Artest and Matt Barnes. Grrr, pictures in my next post.

My fault I couldn't get the W.

Damn Double-OT loss.

I have more box scores (for bench players) and quarter by quarter stats too if you guys want to see it.

In the end, it was just too much LeBron and too much fatigue. (Actually had it on 10 minute quarters this time).