Any word on a roster update? (Update - Within the next 48 hours)

[KGDunks]

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Nba2k.com also still isn't fully functioning. What a joke.
2k has stopped caring by the looks of it.

[JaySmooov]

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I can't believe people are using the "these guys deserve a holiday" line so much.......

There was a two month lock out........they basically had two months "off". No roster updates, no player movement. Nothing. Post release for two months they had nothing to update. These guys weren't flat out all day.

It's not "too much" to expect that they could have used this time to create new player models / at least 'prepare' for when the season started.

Anyone who knows me will know I have supported 2K since day 1......but these guys have got complacent. Ignoring the double team problem...out of date rosters........this is the stuff they just never let happen before. They were always on the ball.

Lack of competition / success has gone to their heads = Complacency.

Yeah, I agree, but that's mostly, again, lack of damage control/execution.

For example, when Ronnie first went on break on the 21st, he tweeted this:

Ronnie2K Ronnie 2K 2K12
Out of the office on vaca/various work trips until 1/9 but will be checking in on key days (opening day anyone?). Hit up @LD2K in my absence

Then LD2K tweeted this on the 29th:

LD2k Chris Manning
Morning everyone. Been off this week so I've been communicating with the team via e-mails. Been gathering all your tweets all week for team.

So basically, LD2k has been off from Christmas until basically today. So, we were directed to take our problems to a guy who wouldn't even be working for a week. Even though we had 4 days, we were getting the initial transaction updates then, so it was no problem, but when opening day came, and we realized some 2nd rounders would play roles, these guys were nowhere to be found. Which, is understandable because the two guys we look to for communication were both on break, haha. Only until today, which would be LD2k's first day back in office, did we hear about a potential update.

Also, I'm pretty sure these guys have other jobs within the 2K franchise besides creating players' models. So I'm not gonna say they had a "break" during the lockout because I highly doubt they got paid without doing work.

[JaySmooov]

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I will say this though: I can bet EA wont have these problems with roster updates, online functionality, etc. They probably have guys stalking these forums/boards and reporting the problems 2K is having, and our reactions to them, so it wouldn't surprise me if they promoted deep online features. 2K better prepare to be looking over the shoulder right now.

[spankdatazz22]

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I can't believe people are using the "these guys deserve a holiday" line so much.......

There was a two month lock out........they basically had two months "off". No roster updates, no player movement. Nothing. Post release for two months they had nothing to update. These guys weren't flat out all day.

It's not "too much" to expect that they could have used this time to create new player models / at least 'prepare' for when the season started.

Anyone who knows me will know I have supported 2K since day 1......but these guys have got complacent. Ignoring the double team problem...out of date rosters........this is the stuff they just never let happen before. They were always on the ball.

Lack of competition / success has gone to their heads = Complacency.

Way to conveniently ignore the many things they got right. Let's ignore the lockout being a completely unique situation. "Post release for two months they had nothing to update"? They released a patch two weeks after the game released which mostly relieved online connectivity issues. Then a small gameplay patch 3-4 weeks later I think. Then the more recent gameplay patch. It's not like the forums were dead during the period the NBA was working out it's issues. Once the NBA announced the labor resolution and the truncated season, they tried releasing roster updates almost daily.

Some of you are so selfish you somehow can blind yourself to the many improvements they made with the game and the initial effort to get up to speed once the NBA announced it's 66-game season. Guess it's easy to forget this time last year many of us didn't know how they could top the effort with 2K11. While we can debate whether they did or not (I feel they did obviously) as I've said before it's hard to believe people can question their effort. But this is the way some of you do just that: by ignoring everything they did right and only focusing on what you think is wrong. I want updated rosters and shoe/sock combinations as much as anyone. But it's pretty ignorant to ignore this is the Christmas/New Years holiday when lots of people are on vacation. Some of you are beyond spoiled in thinking you're owed attention near-24/7.

You need to show some perspective and stop being so narrow-minded. You call them complacent over something that could be more of a perception/issue of preference (how double teams play out). And rosters. I'm sure someone's gonna whine the website they were "PROMISED" isn't fully functional yet. Or complain about Crew mode being removed. All the while forgetting the many things they managed to improve upon with 2K12. Most people will be making these complaints while enjoying their Monday off in observance of New Year's Day.

Spoiled.

[thugnificant]

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Way to conveniently ignore the many things they got right. Let's ignore the lockout being a completely unique situation. "Post release for two months they had nothing to update"? They released a patch two weeks after the game released which mostly relieved online connectivity issues. Then a small gameplay patch 3-4 weeks later I think. Then the more recent gameplay patch. It's not like the forums were dead during the period the NBA was working out it's issues. Once the NBA announced the labor resolution and the truncated season, they tried releasing roster updates almost daily.

Some of you are so selfish you somehow can blind yourself to the many improvements they made with the game and the initial effort to get up to speed once the NBA announced it's 66-game season. Guess it's easy to forget this time last year many of us didn't know how they could top the effort with 2K11. While we can debate whether they did or not (I feel they did obviously) as I've said before it's hard to believe people can question their effort. But this is the way some of you do just that: by ignoring everything they did right and only focusing on what you think is wrong. I want updated rosters and shoe/sock combinations as much as anyone. But it's pretty ignorant to ignore this is the Christmas/New Years holiday when lots of people are on vacation. Some of you are beyond spoiled in thinking you're owed attention near-24/7.

You need to show some perspective and stop being so narrow-minded. You call them complacent over something that could be more of a perception/issue of preference (how double teams play out). And rosters. I'm sure someone's gonna whine the website they were "PROMISED" isn't fully functional yet. Or complain about Crew mode being removed. All the while forgetting the many things they managed to improve upon with 2K12. Most people will be making these complaints while enjoying their Monday off in observance of New Year's Day.

Spoiled.

wow to much name calling bro lol. Bottom line is 2k hasnt deliverd with 2k12, all rookies are already on the disk and all they needed to do is unlock them for our use. they didnt deliver gameplay wise which is clear to all . They flopped hard with only play taking out all options , sliders, leagues, etc etc You overlooking so much just to take up for them when clearly they dont care about you

look at nba2k.com and see how much they care. 3 months and still not fully functional

[DoctorGooden]

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I posted this in the roster thread yesterday:"First off, I want to point out that i love the game. That being said, it is an absolute disgrace that it is the day before January and 2K hasn't added the 2nd rounders yet, completely unacceptable. We paid for 100% accurate 2012 rosters and that is not the product we received, thanks 2k." 2k, while they made a great game in my opinion, had months to get the 2nd rounders ready for opening day. We're not talking about days of work for these guys it's minutes to maybe an hour so lets stop talking about "they deserve the holidays" it's bogus. 2k promised accurate rosters for opening day and didn't deliver.

[spankdatazz22]

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they didnt deliver gameplay wise which is clear to all .

Actually they did deliver gameplay-wise also. When those of you that feel otherwise have created the many "Is 2K12 better than 2K11 polls" it usually bears out that most people feel the game has gotten better gameplay-wise. Presentation-wise they set the bar so high they're on a completely different planet - but I guess since it doesn't help your argument, that's going to be looked at as fluff. As I guess the Legends content would also, despite the fact most people would love to have similar content in their favorite football/baseball/hockey game. No sense in going into it because all you're going to do is focus on what you feel they got wrong.

Also, I wasn't ignoring the things you mentioned as having been removed. Because even with that, the core game STILL offers more content than any other sports game out there. It's about having some perspective about the situation as a whole - it's not like they operate in a vacuum. It's silly to expect so much more from one developer than you would another.

[elknavo]

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It's not that the game isn't good, it's the incredible lack of polish. Whether it's missing players, inconsistent and horrendous ratings, stupid issues like no double teams or no offensive fouls ever, broken rotation minutes in association, no way to do free agency when controlling all 30 teams (which you have to do if you want remotely realistic rotations)...

And then there's the utterly inexcusable stuff like the fact that AI teams in association will trade you first round picks for 2nd round picks straight up. You can literally trade the best team's 2nd round pick for the worst team's 1st round pick and the AI jumps at it. Hopefully this is fixed in the patch, which if you play this game on PC, you get right around the end of the season.

It's the lack of refinement, and it's on a lot of stuff that I could fix in a weekend. Most amateur rosters are worlds better than 2k's, and they're free.

[NINJAK2]

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I 100% agree with you. From the state of the game , rosters, nba2k.com site, etc etc its clearly a decline from recent years. Either they have slacked off due to EA not releasing a game this year OR they just dont care because they couldnt finish the game by deadline. Either way its unacceptable and this is coming from somone who has played this series for longggggggggggg time

CV has a right to be pissed. Some people are posting based on their emotions without the benefit of reason it seems though. No one knows how this lockout affected 2k's ability to gain access to new players and include all player art into the game in a timely fashion. Also isn't this the 1st year 2k has been able to edit player art within the game through roster updates? Maybe just maybe they are having some issues with this new addition and are trying to iron things out. I think I remember L2dk(sp) or Ronnie mentioning they wanted to get the actual player art of rookies/players into the game roughly a month or so ago. To call 2k12 an effort of complacency comes off as a little unfair. Complacent to me is another word for lazy and I don't see how anyone can play 2k12 and come to the conclusion they sat on their butts for a year. If anything, 2k tried to add too much in a short window span with their title and ended up causing themselves more headaches than if they just did a basic roster update with subtle tweaks which is the M.O. of most yearly sports titles. That to me is not a sign of complacency. You can call their attempt a failure because it doesn't meet your expectations but not because they were complacent imo.

[thugnificant]

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Actually they did deliver gameplay-wise also. When those of you that feel otherwise have created the many "Is 2K12 better than 2K11 polls" it usually bears out that most people feel the game has gotten better gameplay-wise. Presentation-wise they set the bar so high they're on a completely different planet - but I guess since it doesn't help your argument, that's going to be looked at as fluff. As I guess the Legends content would also, despite the fact most people would love to have similar content in their favorite football/baseball/hockey game. No sense in going into it because all you're going to do is focus on what you feel they got wrong.

Also, I wasn't ignoring the things you mentioned as having been removed. Because even with that, the core game STILL offers more content than any other sports game out there. It's about having some perspective about the situation as a whole - it's not like they operate in a vacuum. It's silly to expect so much more from one developer than you would another.

paid 59.99 but silly to expect much more? Bro this game is stripped down compared to 2k11 . if you play offline only vs cpu then you have no horse in this race. whats new in 2k12 hmm presentation that gets skipped over 90% of the time by everyone, simple shot release that make casuals just as good as vet players, lack of contact while playing on ball , easy running layups in traffic, broken "abilities" mechanic that overates what the players can really do, horrible player individual ratings making everyone a 3pt shooter, contesting shots doesnt matter , online STRIPPED DOWN WITH LESS OPTIONS THAN 2K11, horrible gameplay, no contact on perimemter and defensive players are on skates, easy to run to open shot for almost automatic pull up jumpers, players with low consistancy and shot ratings hitting all new jumpers while heavily guarded, no sliders for any mode meaning every game style is on default= EASY SCORING regardless of defense, simplistic jumpers (when ball is close to forehead RELEASE) making it so simplistic that my 14 year old cousin can hope online an beat a majority of "sim ballers" on this site with jumpshots regardless of the team, ONline association issues with no sliders, no admin options, no gamestyels, NBA2k.com site STILL NOT FUNCTIONAL, etc etc etc etc etc

oh yeah COUNTLESS glitches in teamup making it almost unplayable.

wow i am tired of putting out the truth of how unfinished this game is compared to 2k11. If you cant see this aside from the legends and pretty commentary, you need to take time to visit 100% of the game so your frustration level can be equal to majority of people that expected more from a company that already has a below average repuation as of yet. THey can sign any legends they want but if the mechanics, gameplay, online options etc etc arent complete in 2k13 that game will be a flop bottom line.

[thugnificant]

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CV has a right to be pissed. Some people are posting based on their emotions without the benefit of reason it seems though. No one knows how this lockout affected 2k's ability to gain access to new players and include all player art into the game in a timely fashion. Also isn't this the 1st year 2k has been able to edit player art within the game through roster updates? Maybe just maybe they are having some issues with this new addition and are trying to iron things out. I think I remember L2dk(sp) or Ronnie mentioning they wanted to get the actual player art of rookies/players into the game roughly a month or so ago. To call 2k12 an effort of complacency comes off as a little unfair. Complacent to me is another word for lazy and I don't see how anyone can play 2k12 and come to the conclusion they sat on their butts for a year. If anything, 2k tried to add too much in a short window span with their title and ended up causing themselves more headaches than if they just did a basic roster update with subtle tweaks which is the M.O. of most yearly sports titles. That to me is not a sign of complacency. You can call their attempt a failure because it doesn't meet your expectations but not because they were complacent imo.

its human nature to slack a little when there is no one to challenge you. 2k knew of these problems before they released the game so i am cutting them no slack. 2k11 didnt have this many issues and if they were struggling with development they should have just hold the new items for 2k13 so they would have another year to polish this game from 2k11. No excuses as to why this game was released in this condistion. nba elite knew they were going to release a unedited game so they canceled but 2k sent theirs out to the population. thats bad business especially when you take away options for gamers on top of releasing unfinished product.

its sleep time night

[Court_vision]

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Way to conveniently ignore the many things they got right. Let's ignore the lockout being a completely unique situation. "Post release for two months they had nothing to update"? They released a patch two weeks after the game released which mostly relieved online connectivity issues. Then a small gameplay patch 3-4 weeks later I think. Then the more recent gameplay patch. It's not like the forums were dead during the period the NBA was working out it's issues. Once the NBA announced the labor resolution and the truncated season, they tried releasing roster updates almost daily.

Some of you are so selfish you somehow can blind yourself to the many improvements they made with the game and the initial effort to get up to speed once the NBA announced it's 66-game season. Guess it's easy to forget this time last year many of us didn't know how they could top the effort with 2K11. While we can debate whether they did or not (I feel they did obviously) as I've said before it's hard to believe people can question their effort. But this is the way some of you do just that: by ignoring everything they did right and only focusing on what you think is wrong. I want updated rosters and shoe/sock combinations as much as anyone. But it's pretty ignorant to ignore this is the Christmas/New Years holiday when lots of people are on vacation. Some of you are beyond spoiled in thinking you're owed attention near-24/7.

You need to show some perspective and stop being so narrow-minded. You call them complacent over something that could be more of a perception/issue of preference (how double teams play out). And rosters. I'm sure someone's gonna whine the website they were "PROMISED" isn't fully functional yet. Or complain about Crew mode being removed. All the while forgetting the many things they managed to improve upon with 2K12. Most people will be making these complaints while enjoying their Monday off in observance of New Year's Day.

Spoiled.

Come on bro, you've been puppetering as a 2K marketing guy on these forums for years............there's being biased and then there's facing reality.

Spoiled.........wow.

I've spent a tonne of money on this game over the years. I don't think expecting the CPU to double team me when I score 20 straight points and have up to date rosters in 2012 is asking much.

Sports games have it easy...we basically pay full price each year for a game that is 80% the same thing we bought 12 months ago. NO other type of game can get away with that. Expecting up to date rosters and major bugs like no double teams really isn't much to expect. I am happy to pay $60 annually, but at least give some semblence of "care". No one at 2K has even acknowledged the double team issue...

[Court_vision]

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CV has a right to be pissed. .

I am definitely not "pissed" Ninj.

I think the correct word is "dissapointed".

The double team glitch has seriously lessened my enjoyment of the game...I am a traditional half court "bang the ball into the post" type player and it's just way, way, way, way too easy to score with guys like Howard, Zac, Boozer......and scoring 20 straight points and not having a post double team come is almost unbelievable. Then 2K compounds this by simply ignoring it. That's what EA NBA Live used to do and the reason a lot of us switched to 2K in the first place. It seemed like they listened. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

I am now trying to play fastbreak ball using teams like Washington and Cleveland (i.e. teams without any low post threat so that I don't have the issue ruin the game)...expecting up to date rosters or at least an explanaion about the double team gaffe really doesn't seem like a lot to me.

[YoungDee15]

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yeah u guys have right,especially thugnificant,i haven't been playing much online against total strangers but i've seen how it goes this yr. not too much to offer to online players,every time they remove some feature from previous version is a bad thing especially if that feature is well received and welcomed now i'm not that much pissed about online because i'm not playing it i'm only concerned about lack of support & yeah they gave us few updates on short time period but on xmas day when they should deliever a crucial update they failed...that's only my opinion

[spankdatazz22]

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Come on bro, you've been puppetering as a 2K marketing guy on these forums for years............there's being biased and then there's facing reality.

Spoiled.........wow.

I've spent a tonne of money on this game over the years. I don't think expecting the CPU to double team me when I score 20 straight points and have up to date rosters in 2012 is asking much.

Sports games have it easy...we basically pay full price each year for a game that is 80% the same thing we bought 12 months ago. NO other type of game can get away with that. Expecting up to date rosters and major bugs like no double teams really isn't much to expect. I am happy to pay $60 annually, but at least give some semblence of "care". No one at 2K has even acknowledged the double team issue...

Spoiled was the wrong word to use - that much we agree on. NINJAK articulated my opinion far better than I did, and you saying you're disappointed is also something I can understand. I've said in the past if there was a year people couldn't criticize a company for slacking off, it would've been this one. They had just released what was widely acknowledged as the greatest basketball game to date in NBA2K11. They were faced with the uncertainty of the NBA's labor situation. And no other sports game dev was taking on the task of making another NBA game. Even with that, I have a hard time understanding anyone labeling their effort with 2K12 as an act of complacency. I'd argue it was the most ambitious sport titles to release this year. I've never heard anyone make the argument: "No, these three other sports games were more ambitious". They only point to what they feel is wrong, which is being shortsighted imo because you're not taking into account the amount of content they got right or aspects where they are going above and beyond, in relation to their sports game counterparts.

Again, I understand wanting up to date rosters. The double-team issue is debateable though. It took almost a month after the game released that anyone mentioned a possible problem, and even after that most people don't see the issue as some huge game-breaking problem that some identify it as. It'd be nice if 2K did address it or said something, but given how some people take anything said in a strict literal sense, I can see where it's better to say nothing. Especially when most people aren't up in arms about the issue.

Either way, getting too long-winded. Basically just saying I can understand if you want to question their success with what was implemented in 2K12 - I don't see how anyone could question their effort. I can understand being disappointed, but I don't see how you could label their effort as complacent.