Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

**Coach2K** · 02-12-2013, 01:21 AM

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Originally posted by Muddycleats

I used the wizards and got a good ole beatdownlol

I kept it close before halftime but lebron is a monster on hof difficulty. Heat pulled away in the middle of third. You're correct about eliminating space if you do that and contest they miss shots. Ill need to work on that defensively and rebound better and offensively i need to execute better.

Overall, I thought it was fun and challenging.

Ill have another one tomorrow morning.

Way to go at it.

I'd suggest an easier team to start with like battling the Magic. Heat are tough.

Wizards are a good squad though. Guy in my league uses them great.

**Coach2K** · 02-12-2013, 01:38 AM

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Proof you can manually block vs HOF CPU. I think I had two blocks in this game with Hibbert.

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**Muddycleats** · 02-12-2013, 01:52 AM

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Coach2K

Do you use the intense D.(LT on 360)

I have my shot contest at Intense D instead of manual or always.

**Coach2K** · 02-12-2013, 02:11 AM

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Originally posted by Muddycleats

Coach2K

Do you use the intense D.(LT on 360)

I have my shot contest at Intense D instead of manual or always.

Mine is set on intense D which is default I believe.

**Coach2K** · 02-12-2013, 02:12 AM

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Originally posted by Muddycleats

I used the wizards and got a good ole beatdownlol

I kept it close before halftime but lebron is a monster on hof difficulty. Heat pulled away in the middle of third. You're correct about eliminating space if you do that and contest they miss shots. Ill need to work on that defensively and rebound better and offensively i need to execute better.

Overall, I thought it was fun and challenging.

Ill have another one tomorrow morning.

I'd consider cutting back on the threes.

**CUTigers2324** · 02-12-2013, 02:13 AM

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Beating Miami with Washington is gonna take some doing haha...you'll need an EPIC effort out of someone like Ariza to pull that off.

I've beaten them with Charlotte on HOF/Sim once or twice, but I usually have to score like 65 points with MKG to do it.

**sreckless** · 02-12-2013, 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by papaey

its not on how well you play good defense or not. it doesnt matter. only 1 way to win is to go berserk in the paint like the cpu does.

I wanted to see for myself whether this was true or not so I made it a focus to take mostly outside shots in my game against the Cavaliers.

Turns out it's not true at all. I scored only 28 points in the paint out of 111, made only one dunk, and still ended up winning this game.

Ran a lot of floppy plays for my shooters, took more transition jumpers, and tried to find mid-range shots for my bigs on kick-outs. Rondo had 16 assists and together Pierce and Terry were 9 for 13 from three-point range.

**Coach2K** · 02-12-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by sreckless

I wanted to see for myself whether this was true or not so I made it a focus to take mostly outside shots in my game against the Cavaliers.

Turns out it's not true at all. I scored only 28 points in the paint out of 111, made only one dunk, and still ended up winning this game.

Ran a lot of floppy plays for my shooters, took more transition jumpers, and tried to find mid-range shots for my bigs on kick-outs. Rondo had 16 assists and together Pierce and Terry were 9 for 13 from three-point range.

Excellent work. Great you did it without bombing tons of threes.

I've been looking for more ways to find mid range shots and so far have got my points in the paint down from the 75 point range to around 50.

Twenty eight is great.

It's all about space and recognizing when you have open space because that is when you are open.

The HOF CPU recognizes when they are open instantly and they shoot.

I've been shocked to find times I am wide open on hall of fame mode. Something I didn't think was possible at first.

**PJBrownHeat** · 02-12-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by www.Coach2K.com

What I've learned so far playing hall of fame mode

After playing on this level, here are a few things that I've learned so far.

The first thing that I think is important is that hall of fame mode is more about defense than offense.

To me that is the best thing about hall of fame mode. You have to learn how to defend and that's one of the reasons I am working on it because I have to get better on defense to beat people.

My philosophy on defense is that you can play man to man all the time. I know there are a lot of guys that go zone and whenever I see that I encourage people to go man.

The learning curve to play man is a little steeper and I'm still learning.

On HOF, all the CPU needs is a little space to be open and when they have it, they take it and knock the shot down.

Your goal is to eliminate that space.

You have to contest every shot and even when you do, they will still hit most of them because they were open when they shot it most of the time.

I've been attempting to play straight up with no changes in defensive settings.

In my group, we have had lengthy discussions on whether leaving things on auto is easier or harder but my opinion is that it is harder to play on auto because the cpu doesn't always make the correct decision on defense.

With that said, one of the things I am attempting to do is disrupt shots by bringing another guy in the area of the shooter. Not CPU doubling or manually doubling but bringing soft coverage over to the potential shooter whenever possible.

Good shot selection is extremely important.

It's hard to know what a good shot is. But if you want to know what a good shot is there is one easy way to tell and that's if when you miss, that the CPU immediately scores on the fast break.

While I can't say it's a fact yet, I think it's a clear signal that you took a bad shot and need to consider eliminating it from your game.

I've also notice that when you miss a shot, the shooter's defender is the one that leads the break.

One last thing I wanted to talk about was tendencies. I've noticed that I'll get to a certain point in the game and then I go through a dry spell and can't score. I think this is because the CPU picks up on what you like to do.

I would say it's safe to say that it makes sense if you go to the same play every time that the CPU will pick up on it, but I also believe that it can tell certain patterns.

So if I have only 3-5 options that I go to, I'm going to have a more difficult time than if I have 7-10.

Hall of fame mode is about options. The more you have, the better chance you have to win.

In looking at my options, this is what I typically do so far.

Hibbert backing down in the post
Hibbert in the post pass to cutter
David West in the post isolation
David West PNP
Tyler Hansbrough PNP
12 Screen for shooting guard
Pick and roll for guards

I'm sure that I have a few more options but when you think about it, most people I play can pick up on what I am doing and it doesn't seem to be too much of a stretch to imagine the CPU figuring out my list of options if that is all I have.

So what I am going to do is start making note of all of my options and writing them down to see exactly how many tendencies I have and work on expanding them not only as a group but for all five spots on the floor.

It works the same on defense. If you see the CPU doing the same things over and over, you also need to make note of those.

Just a few thoughts about HOF mode so far.

If you aren't doing some sort of challenge, whether it's HOF or All-star or even rookie, I encourage you to do it.

huge !! + 100000

but i add give me good triangle offense with the Bulls (i only play with the classic bulls since 3 years sorry to actual superStar) and i think if 2k will create a new difficulty for 2k14, SuperHOF, or HOF level 2, give me every team you want and i don't have issue of what i do like offense!
The problem is when you don't know what to choose to attack the CPU. That's why we have been lost since a long time in the 3rd quarter.

When you play well, you can do every thing you want against hof level.
When you play bad, you become a 95 knicks, sonics 96 game3, or Magic 96 and CPU is Bulls !! it's shocking and frustrating while your are playing with the Bulls 96!!
When you lost agaisnt the Sonics 96 in HOF, Askew = Jordan maybe he is better than Jordan!!

Dennis Scott can easily beat Pippen, Why?

the worst is when Kerr defends on Penny Hardaway, it's just a funny!!

**PJBrownHeat** · 02-12-2013, 11:49 AM

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ps: i tried again Right joystick with L2 to choose a direction in D, i think there is a work to do on this because finally i think there is a way to trouble some jumpshot or lay up or some action too!!

i discovered too that Kerr stole a ball on a full court defense, he was on one vs one (it was vs the actual suns so i didn't know the PG) and he stole the ball in directing the PG, sometimes add R2!!

**sreckless** · 02-12-2013, 12:07 PM

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Originally posted by www.Coach2K.com

It's all about space and recognizing when you have open space because that is when you are open.

The HOF CPU recognizes when they are open instantly and they shoot.

I've been shocked to find times I am wide open on hall of fame mode. Something I didn't think was possible at first.

Yeah, exactly. If you're running plays, the shots are there.

You want to be aggressive in taking them but without forcing it, which is a fine line.

**Muddycleats** · 02-12-2013, 12:57 PM

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Had a great game with Kings(Me) Vs Raptors(CPU)

I was up 10 at halftime and the Raptors wouldnt go away. Raptors won on last game winning 3 from Kyle Lowry. Rudy Gay and Derozan got hot in the second half.

I shot about 47% and the Raptors shot 51%

My shot selection was a lot better than the last game vs Miami along with rebounding. I just couldnt hit open shots to close out the game.

Plan to play another one later on.

**Coach2K** · 02-12-2013, 06:03 PM

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Updated ladder after the roster update released today. A couple of teams moved around.

**Coach2K** · 02-12-2013, 08:57 PM

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Here's the complete game footage from my victory over the HOF CPU Pistons.

There's no commentary in the video.

I put up the complete game footage so you can see a game from start to finish if you want to see what settings I played on, what the settings were when I started as well as you will be able to notice I didn't make any changes the whole game.

You can also see when I subbed people in and out based on fatigue.

Besides winning the game, I had a secondary goal and that was to not run any plays during the game to see if it could be done. I ran a couple of plays here or there.

My game plan was simple. Let the guys on the court go to the spots they wanted to go to and move the ball around.

To supplement that, I used the pick and roll with my bigs and if memory serves me correctly, I did isolate George on the wing some later in the game.

I got off to a good start by hitting my first five shots which was great.

On defense, my goal was to stay in front of my man and to challenge shots with out cpu double teaming or spamming the steal button or jacking up my sliders.

This is also the game I held the HOF CPU to under 100 points which was a big milestone.

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**itchyroll_51** · 02-13-2013, 03:23 AM

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Great Thread Coach2k ! I would love to discuss strategies and ideas on how to defeat HOF SIM CPU with you.

Here's my Wizards beating HOF SIM Miami:

My offense is all low post and PnR (not sim but efficient enough) i use on average up to 20 seconds of clock each possession.

My defense however is sim; my system is start off as PG then read what the CPU is running, if they are going for mid range i will fight over the picks manually, if they are driving i will play help with my center, if they post i will bring help with my wings. I keep everyone on a string, in one defensive possession i will most likely have switched onto everyone on my team at least once, PGs and Centres probably more than twice (constant adjustments, never clicking steal or jump; i only jump for rebounds, last second in shot clock, or when the offensive player is already in the air) Hands up and chest bump all day.

One key in winning on HOF consistently is rotation management; subbing purely based on stamina is suicide on HOF SIM. You need to design a bench unit and also decide how you rotate this unit with your starters throughout the game. The absolute key to winning on HOF for me is how my designed lineups are performing against the other team’s rotation (constant adjustments). All my lineups are tailored with a different coaching profile setting; if i play a small-ball line up i will up the tempo and defensive pressure settings, while toning down the crash glass and go inside settings; if i play a lineup with great defenders i will up the help defense and lower the tempo. Last note: + and - is a great measuring stick as to what lineups work the best.
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