Most idiotic online game ever

[dat swag]

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I never understood why people that dont play online even come into threads and comment to begin with. If I see a thread that doesnt concern me I don't even enter it.

Youll never see me In a association thread. I dont play it so I have no comment in regards to it. Whatever concerns association players may have with the mode may very well be valid, or not. I wouldn't know though.

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to take it a step further if someone did this in a Madden thread they would be ran off the forum with flaming hot pitchforks being called the "T word"...TROLL...So I agree with you as all the cats chiming in have pretty much said they don't even play or think online is important...So why they even commenting?

[Sundown]

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You can disagree all you want to, but as someone stated earlier, its something that plagues most genre's of games, especially the most popular ones.

It's because developers don't really care, or can justify that as "kosher" when their game is not based on reality. 2K is a simulation based on a real world activity. I don't understand why you'd actually argue for 2K to be less vigilant about its realism, regardless of the mode, online or off.

Coming here complaining to other users wont help, but dont sit here and tell me you dont have any other options when you know good and well thats a bald headed lie.

I agree they have options. And they should use what options are at their disposal. But they shouldn't simply be quiet if they actually care anything about game design and their favorite game getting better.

Its not MY game, its just a basketball game, and I will wait for the day that onliners who play randoms stop complaining. We can talk about it when that day comes, which will probably be never.

I could be reading you wrong, but for some reason, you seem to have a thing against the online community. Not sure where that is coming from, but I would say to look at the game and their complaints. It seems a little lazy to blame them just because they're "onliners" and it's somehow embedded in their moral fiber to complain incessantly for no reason.

Yes, SOMEONE will always complain from the online crowd-- becuase there are different people with different agendas, and different understandings and misunderstandings of basketball that play online. Same with offline. But when the right people stop complaining, and it's the cheesers who start, it's because we truly have a better game built on a better foundation. Not just one with flaws covered up with a benignly ignorant AI. I think that's a worthwhile goal to strive for.

What's silly is that goal is partially or even mostly achievable, RIGHT NOW, simply with some slider tweaks applied online.

Wouldn't it be amazing if the offline sim guys actually can apply their sim play online against randoms and succeed? Wouldn't it be crazy if the two games seemed the same to them instead of being different animals? Wouldn't it be something if your offline pals were also the guys who liked the online play best instead of folks you're constantly at odds with? Kumbaya.

Also I play one of my friends. He's not a random. He is a cheeser.

I practically yelled at him for halfcourt charge cheesing. But why shouldn't he do that? Just because I said so? Because out of a party of two, I somehow get to make the rules? And he even agreed that the game shouldn't allow that or make it less effective.

Wouldn't it be great to be able to beat your own FRIENDS at the game with just a little basketball knowledge? Is that really too much to ask?

It's a shame the title of this thread is something that I (or a dev) would normally skip. There is some worthwhile discussion in here.

[23]

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It's because developers don't really care, or can justify that as "kosher" when their game is not based on reality. 2K is based on simulation. I don't understand why you'd actually argue for 2K to be less vigilant about its realism.


I agree they have options. And they should use what options are at their disposal. But they shouldn't simply be quiet if they actually care anything about game design and their favorite game getting better.


I could be reading you wrong, but for some reason, you seem to have a thing against the online community. Not sure where that is coming from, but I would say to look at the game and their complaints. It seems a little lazy to blame them just because they're "onliners" and it's somehow embedded in their moral fiber to complain incessantly for no reason.

Yes, SOMEONE will always complain from the online crowd-- becuase there are different people with different agendas, and different understandings and misunderstandings that play online. But when the right people stop complaining, and it's the cheesers who start, it's because we truly have a better game built on a better foundation. Not just one with flaws covered up with a benignly ignorant AI. I think that's a worthwhile goal to strive for.

What's silly is that goal is partially or even mostly achievable, RIGHT NOW, simply with some slider tweaks applied online.

Also I play one of my friends. He's not a random. He is a cheeser.

I practically yelled at him for halfcourt charge cheesing. But why shouldn't he do that? Just because I said so? Because out of a party of two, I somehow get to make the rules? And he even agreed that the game shouldn't allow that or make it less effective.

Wouldn't it be great to be able to beat your own FRIENDS at the game with just a little basketball knowledge? Is that really too much to ask?

It's a shame the title of this thread is something that I (or a dev) would normally skip. There is some worthwhile discussion in here.

I dont make page long posts so Ill try to give you a few short answers.

Honestly, Boilerbuzz just explained how I feel above and has been throughout this thread.

2nd, I dont have an issue with onliners, and even making that statement implies that you assume I've never played online...and even if I didn't it doesn't usher in a high horse for online players to come to the forum to rant and rave and chop at anyone who might disagree.

Im not a videogame homer so im not defending said game or saying 2k shouldn't improve their game, thats ludicrous in itself... but someone coming here mad because they just their buns toasted by a cheeser now all of a sudden its time to sound the alarm? What exactly makes this issue priority over any of the others again?

That said again, ranting and claiming no options when there are options is just making noise that will never be heard.

[23]

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to take it a step further if someone did this in a Madden thread they would be ran off the forum with flaming hot pitchforks being called the "T word"...TROLL...So I agree with you as all the cats chiming in have pretty much said they don't even play or think online is important...So why they even commenting?

Well its not the madden forum this is the 2k forum so stick with the topic and stop posting about calling people names. This is the point where you allow your emotions to take things too far.

[Boilerbuzz]

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to take it a step further if someone did this in a Madden thread they would be ran off the forum with flaming hot pitchforks being called the "T word"...TROLL...So I agree with you as all the cats chiming in have pretty much said they don't even play or think online is important...So why they even commenting?

You both are making quite a few assumptions. You have NO idea who plays online and who doesn't. *I* play online. And I only play folks I know online. You know why? BECAUSE OF THE SAME REASON YOU'RE HERE CRYING. So, my suggestion (and I'm sure others in this thread as well) is to do as I did, and remove the source of the primary issue. The BS, "it's not an option" reply is a cop out. As long as fits your narrative, you're going to keep doing what you do. You have that right. Don't expect anyone to not be apathetic to your cause - whatever it may be.

[dat swag]

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First off, offline is not perfect, and I dont come here whining everytime I lose to the CPU, so there's your answer.

You just think my thinking is flawed because I don't agree with you. The core game is the most important thing simply because the game is based off of that no matter what mode it is, but that's a moot point.

You come in here claiming you have no options when they were clearly pointed out to you and not only do you refuse them but you continue to go on which will leave you back at square one when everyone else is done talking about it.

IF I do have an issue, I have more effective methods of explaining it to the devs than claiming everybody is wrong that doesn't adhere to what I think they should do and think.

Naw I have no problem with you disagreeing with me I just think anyone who actually believes one mode is less important than the other then has the audacity to try to tell someone how to play the game is sort of an elitist attitude. IMO thats a narrowminded view of where gaming is in this day and age

Lets be CLEAR...I make a choice to prefer ONLINE play...I have an expectation that a sim game that promotes NBA simulation will come close to simulation in all modes. I don't want to talk to a dev...I do want them to hear what consumers have been complaining about for a long time though. The deficiencies in online are not a mystery or secret. They have been the same every year since at least 2009.

It don't even make sense to say online is less important than offline while we are communicating ONLINE...LOL...When you find a dev that agrees with you be sure to have him share those thoughts and I'll never post another complaint. Real talk.

[Melbournelad]

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23 and Boiler in here making absolutely outstanding points.

[Melbournelad]

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Dat swag, It's funny you talk about an elitist attidutde considering you're the one who says things like "you offline players by yourself staring at your franchise stats, not my idea of a good time".

[The 24th Letter]

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I'm not being facetious at all, but quite honestly it seems like a lot of guys would be better off with a basketball text simulator type game...where you can completely control your environment...

because what is being asked for here, that a video game be made that is completely free of exploits and follow a "simulation" code in which everyone has different definition of since it's not written in stone anywhere....will not happen this gen, next gen, or the gen after that..

[dat swag]

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Well its not the madden forum this is the 2k forum so stick with the topic and stop posting about calling people names. This is the point where you allow your emotions to take things too far.

Don't make assumptions my friend...this is a discussion...Take your own advice

[Sundown]

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ABSOLUTELY. As 23 said, no one is muting the dude if he has specific issues that he feels needs to be addressed, But he just came in to rant and rip the game for the actions of a cheeser. No real details. No proof that he's actually playing sim or that he's being cheesed. Just ranting. So, folks said: "find opponents that play it the way you play it". Nothing wrong with that suggestion. And only response he has was that "it's not an option"? FOH.

No one denies that at all. The problem is that which mechanics are they are how should they be address from a video game standpoint? Where is that useful information is these kinds of posts?

You fix one, you create another. You fix that, you create 2. You fix those 2, you bring back the original. It's never-ending.

Well, yes and no. Same game. Basketball is basketball. But the impact of things like latency on your only interaction with the game (your controller), makes a HUGE impact on the balance of the game and some of the game mechanics.

I have to disagree here man. Hands up really helps decrease your opponents' shot percentages.

I was actually replying mainly to 23's post as it seemed to voice his frustrations against online complainers in general, and I have a bit of a problem with that.

I've had experience with games where certain communities were afraid of others because they might ruin their game. So they didn't want certain modes to be implemented and just wanted to be left to their game, rather than acknowledge that what they feared would only be possible if the gameplay design was flawed (and it was). Then there was the customary name calling and unflattering assumptions about those who disagreed with them.

But I didn't really read the OP, as, well... the post title was not promising.

Agree about the latency. I know there's a difference between AI and User controlled players in defense to take this into account. Or that's what's said. But if they dropped the AI effectiveness while keeping the User the same, then BAD 2K, BAD.

That would explain all the catch and shoot shots in defenders' faces right before they can get a hand up.

I'm not having much luck with hands up. Maybe I should reevaluate. But gambling for blocks in the post seems more effective.

Also don't quite agree that fixing cheese will be a never-ending cycle of creating new problems. We're not fighting a cheese hydra. If you can't solve problems without creating new ones-- or at least reducing exploits and improving the game in the long run, you're doing game design wrong and you're doing computer science wrong.

The rest of your post - FRIGGIN LONG (but I respect you too much not to read it all) - I agree. I'm sure we can all admit that the game will continue to evolve and these issues will dwindle. Until then, all anyone can do is use the tools available to get the play experience that you want.

LOL. Thanks.

The TLDR: Sim-Nation unite. Group hugs y'all.

[dat swag]

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Dat swag, It's funny you talk about an elitist attidutde considering you're the one who says things like "you offline players by yourself staring at your franchise stats, not my idea of a good time".

Obviously your sarcasm detector is not working...Thats a response to actually alert people that somepeople actually play the game differently and how you play is not the norm for me and vice versa. I'd never tell someone to just don't play a certain mode because it doesn't work or its not populAR...I want the whole game to work for everyone no matter how they enjoy it.

[Sundown]

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I'm not being facetious at all, but quite honestly it seems like a lot of guys would be better off with a basketball text simulator type game...where you can completely control your environment...

because what is being asked for here, that a video game be made that is completely free of exploits and follow a "simulation" code in which everyone has different definition of since it's not written in stone anywhere....will not happen this gen, next gen, or the gen after that..

At least some of us could agree what's NOT simulation.

Paint spamming and constant contested and zig-zag 3 spamming is probably not in any of our definitions of simulation. Steal spamming isn't simulation.

Some might disagree. I say we burn them as heretics.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Lets be CLEAR...I make a choice to prefer ONLINE play...I have an expectation that a sim game that promotes NBA simulation will come close to simulation in all modes. I don't want to talk to a dev...I do want them to hear what consumers have been complaining about for a long time though. The deficiencies in online are not a mystery or secret. They have been the same every year since at least 2009.

It STRIVES to be sim, but I'm sure Beluba would tell you that it's not there yet. No one has made that claim. Is it close, sure! Close enough for everyone, of course not. That's not to be disputed. What exactly are they to hear dude? "This game doesn't punish cheesers enough!!". OK. That's it? That's all you got? Well, you may as well rant that the sky isn't blue after 10PM.

BTW, the deficiencies of online, in terms of pure gameplay, are the same as offline h2h. So, I'm sure they're not ignoring online. People forget that VC was the first company to put a console sports game online. I would think they care about online play.

[Sundown]

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2K has a responsibility to ALL of it's consumers. Not just sim players. They have been on record as a company that strives to be SIM above all else. But there are, sadly, MANY people that are more casual and could care less. If there is something in the game that you think doesn't punish the non-sim players enough, that's just tough. Life isn't perfect.

LOBBIEEEES. Perfect.

BTW - no one believe that you wouldn't be here if you didn't lose. Just being honest.

I spent a game against a Knick user 3-point cheesing right back. At one point I lead. I was still shaking my head saying, "this is bull..."

I eventually lost, but I thought it was bull *because* I was finally getting some success against a random.