Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

[Colts18]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Yea Chia, Tendency Sliders and Coach Shooting Related Tendency Sliders have always been left at 50 on my games. I only believe in altering the fastbreak/tempo and other things that the coach actually dictate.

Global Tendency Sliders should be left at 50 as well.

[chia51]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Yea Chia, Tendency Sliders and Coach Shooting Related Tendency Sliders have always been left at 50 on my games. I only believe in altering the fastbreak/tempo and other things that the coach actually dictate. Global Tendency Sliders should be left at 50 as well.

Agreed, the global tendencies sliders should be left at 50 unless you are wanting to alter all of the players tendencies (for that particular tendency).

What I am specifically trying to figure out is... If a coaching slider is at 50 (say alley oops) how does that effect the players ratings compared to the global tendency slider effect?

Also if a coaching slider is at 50, is that default, meaning that it does not have an altering effect?

I believe that if there is a corresponding coaching and player tendency than having the coaching slider at 50 is effecting the player tendency. So I have been putting those at 0 to see what happens. And either the coaching sliders don't really work or with them at 0 it will default that tendency to the players tendency.

[ONEFORALL]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

I put 0 to inside,close,mid,3pt,attack basket, look for post from sliders. And from coaching i put 0 to inside, close, mid,3pt,attack basket, look for post. The spacing was much better. Lakers passed the ball from side to side and executed great offense. Run plays i had on 50. And i had DC:s plays. I had those inside - outside sliders on 50 but i'm testing now putting these on 0. Sorry about the confusing english. Not my first language.

[aloncho11]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Awesome thread going on here Chia...do you think that you can add Classic teams to the list please?

[Serra11]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

I put 0 to inside,close,mid,3pt,attack basket, look for post from sliders. And from coaching i put 0 to inside, close, mid,3pt,attack basket, look for post. The spacing was much better. Lakers passed the ball from side to side and executed great offense. Run plays i had on 50. And i had DC:s plays. I had those inside - outside sliders on 50 but i'm testing now putting these on 0. Sorry about the confusing english. Not my first language.

I did the same and the flow of the game seems better for me to.
The cpu players seem to play following their tendencies without that sensation of rushing that I feel with gameplay sliders at default.

[Colts18]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Chia looking back on my notes, put the following coach sliders at 0

Inside
Close
Mid
3PT
Attempt Dunks

Might be more but I don't know all of the sliders by heart.

[chia51]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

I put 0 to inside,close,mid,3pt,attack basket, look for post from sliders. And from coaching i put 0 to inside, close, mid,3pt,attack basket, look for post. The spacing was much better. Lakers passed the ball from side to side and executed great offense. Run plays i had on 50. And i had DC:s plays. I had those inside - outside sliders on 50 but i'm testing now putting these on 0. Sorry about the confusing english. Not my first language.

No worries, thanks for the info. Very helpful in figuring out how much the coaching tendencies work with the players.

Awesome thread going on here Chia...do you think that you can add Classic teams to the list please?

Sorry, but I am 99% not going to be doing the classic teams. Even though I have put the guide for anyone to do it. :wink:

I did the same and the flow of the game seems better for me to. The cpu players seem to play following their tendencies without that sensation of rushing that I feel with gameplay sliders at default.

Yeah, when putting the Coach Tend. at 0 it will go strictly off the players tendencies.

Chia looking back on my notes, put the following coach sliders at 0, Inside, Close, Mid, 3PT, Attempt Dunks. Might be more but I don't know all of the sliders by heart.

What I have found to be true is that the coaching tendencies at 0 will default to the players tendencies on the court. Meaning that with all coaching shooting tendencies at 0 the player will then use his shooting tendencies to figure out where to shoot.

That will work for any coaching tendency that has a corresponding player tendency to match. ie attack and alley oops.

[chia51]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Coaching sliders, definitions, theories and observations.

Moved over here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2042326645

[chia51]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Spreadsheet that I have been working on.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ajp4PdKoep9vdDRZOHg3UG00ampodzA2ZzAzanFiY UE&hl=en

[Serra11]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Yeah, when putting the Coach Tend. at 0 it will go strictly off the players tendencies.

I was talking about gameplay sliders,not coach profile sliders...
However coach profiles affect the players decisions and shot locations a lot.

[chia51]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

I was talking about gameplay sliders,not coach profile sliders...
However coach profiles affect the players decisions and shot locations a lot.

My bad... I was thinking about coaching sliders... but if you put the gameplay sliders at 0 then it will default to the coaches tendencies.

This is how I think it works:

Gameplay sliders (GS) + player tendencies (PT) + coach tendencies (CT) = what we see on court (WW)

So if GS = 0 then PT + CT = WW, if GS and PT = 0 then CT = WW, etc, etc... I don't know what happens if we have GS, PT and CT at 0 though.

[Serra11]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

you put the gameplay sliders at 0 then it will default to the coaches tendencies.

So if GS = 0 then PT + CT = WW,

I think it has sense.
Take the Shawn Marion's case:with D'Antoni in Phoenix he took a lot of threes(expexially from the corners),with Spoelstra at Miami sometimes and now with Carlisle he doesn't take threes at all.
Different systems,different coaches,different instructions.

[chia51]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Update on the roster as of now: 4/21 230pm ESt

DC has the roster and is adding his touches and playbooks to it.

When he is finished I will be redoing all of the shot tendencies for players on a roster to include; shot tendency, inside, close, medium and 3pt shot tendencies. Will also be updating all teams coaching shot tendencies.

At that point this is what will have been done.

Coaching Sliders:
-Tempo
-Defensive Pressure
-Help D
-Fast Break
-Bench
-Shot Inside (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Close (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Medium (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot 3pt (Hoopdata.com)

Player Tendencies:
-Dribble Moves (not real world data)
-Finish Moves (not real world data)
-Shot Tendency (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Inside (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Close (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Medium (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot 3pt (Hoopdata.com)
-Post Moves (not all players, not real world data)
-Touches (Hoopdata.com)
-Commit Fouls (Hoopdata.com)
-Draw Fouls (Hoopdata.com)
-Various other small updates to many players

I am also in the process of making a slider set to go with this roster. The slider set that I will be trying to create is going to be for the most realistic NBA basketball.

Goals for slider set/coaches tendencies/roster:
-NBA experience, you win some, you lose some. Some nights are rough, while some are perfect.
-Superstars are superstars for a reason!
-Great on ball Defenders are feared for a reason
-Realistic scores, FG% (Hoopdata.com)
-Realistic shots from where the teams shoot (Hoopdata.com)
-Realistic plays for players
-Realistic player tendencies for when the play breaks down
-Terrible defenders will get abused
-Will add some more to this list

[leon0714]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Update on the roster as of now: 4/21 230pm ESt

DC has the roster and is adding his touches and playbooks to it.

When he is finished I will be redoing all of the shot tendencies for players on a roster to include; shot tendency, inside, close, medium and 3pt shot tendencies. Will also be updating all teams coaching shot tendencies.

At that point this is what will have been done.

Coaching Sliders:
-Tempo
-Defensive Pressure
-Help D
-Fast Break
-Bench
-Shot Inside (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Close (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Medium (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot 3pt (Hoopdata.com)

Player Tendencies:
-Dribble Moves (not real world data)
-Finish Moves (not real world data)
-Shot Tendency (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Inside (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Close (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot Medium (Hoopdata.com)
-Shot 3pt (Hoopdata.com)
-Post Moves (not all players, not real world data)
-Touches (Hoopdata.com)
-Various other small updates to many players

I am also in the process of making a slider set to go with this roster. The slider set that I will be trying to create is going to be for the most realistic NBA basketball.

Goals for slider set/coaches tendencies/roster:
-NBA experience, you win some, you lose some. Some nights are rough, while some are perfect.
-Superstars are superstars for a reason!
-Great on ball Defenders are feared for a reason
-Realistic scores, FG% (Hoopdata.com)
-Realistic shots from where the teams shoot (Hoopdata.com)
-Realistic plays for players
-Realistic player tendencies for when the play breaks down
-Terrible defenders will get abused
-Will add some more to this list

BIG project!!
Currently use your roster, I am playing on All Star Level. I tweaked all parts of coach sliders at 50, and keeping gameplay sliders as default, decreased FG% of inside, close shot(-10 for each), decreased FG% of mid, 3pt(-5 for each). Double increased drop foul and commit foul for every players. Game results are almost closed to real NBA by using this method. I am trying to change dunk layup ratings, and tweak some players tendencies in particular.

For this tweaked, Spacing is good,but FG% was a litlle bit high in some games, so all players shot ratings should be decreased again, their overall ratings become to lower.

[chia51]

Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

BIG project!!
Currently use your roster, I am playing on All Star Level. I tweaked all parts of coach sliders at 50, and keeping gameplay sliders as default, decreased FG% of inside, close shot(-10 for each), decreased FG% of mid, 3pt(-5 for each). Double increased drop foul and commit foul for every players. Game results are almost closed to real NBA by using this method. I am trying to change dunk layup ratings, and tweak some players tendencies in particular.

Thats pretty close to what I have been using. I have inside/close at 44 and 47mid/3pt (hum) and 49mid/50(3pt) for the CPU.

Coach shot sliders set to % of where the team shoots in real life
Player shot tends to % of where they shoot in real life
Draw Fouls will be left alone, unless I can find some statistic to formalize into the game.
Commit foul slider is raised to 62 currently.
All Dunk and Layup ratings on the roster are at DC's levels.