Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • chia51
    Banned
    • Jul 2005
    • 1912

    #196
    Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

    Originally posted by driftnyc
    So which sliders should be lowered to zero? Currently, I have gameplay and coaching sliders for shooting, post, and alleys set to zero. Even on all star I seem to be blowing the cpu out by at least 20 pts since ive made those changes. The cpu seems to not play aggressive enough. Although, Ive been only running with the knicks and Im pretty nasty with them. Ive yet to implement the changes from your spreadsheet for coach profiles and individual player tendencies so maybe I'll try that and see what happens. (I'm on PS3) Just wondering what you have your sliders set to. Im digging your theories about setting things to zero though. If I use your coach profiles, set the gameplay shooting tendencies to zero, and implement your individual player tendencies do you think that'll make a difference? I use my own custom sliders BTW but they're pretty similar to yours.
    Yes all of the updates to tendencies, whether it be coach or player makes a huge difference. Also I do not have any sliders at 0 anymore. I will be posting the slider set (WIP) on here later today.

    Originally posted by bigvceo
    Can someone post Chia51's sliders for these rosters as I no longer have xbox live to download them?
    I will be posting the slider set (WIP) on here later today.

    Originally posted by driftnyc
    So I made the changes to coach profiles and individual player tendencies for the Knicks (me) and Lakers (cpu). Played a 12 min game on All Star. Pretty pleased with the results. Tied at 51 at the half. Then the Lakers poured it on in the 3rd. They went up by as many as 16. Ended up losing 112-98 after bringing it to a 9 point deficit with about 3:00 left. I didn't take care of the ball and they scored a lot of points on the break. They did seem a little beastly hitting some crazy shots and And 1's but that might have to do with playing on all-star and I also upped the gameplay sliders for shooting tendencies back to 50 except for look for post.
    Knicks Lakers
    Pts. 98 112
    Fgs 31/75 47/90
    FG% 41% 52%
    3's 11/30 3/12
    3% 36% 25%
    Ft's 25/27 15/21
    Ft% 92% 71%
    Asts 13 29
    TO's 19 5
    Fouls 14 14
    Rebs 46 43
    OffReb 8 9
    Stls 4 14
    Blks 3 2
    PIP 26 58
    Bench 11 33
    2ndCh 7 10
    FastBrk 0 16

    Overall, some good results. Fisher, Kobe, Pau, and Odom each took 15 shots. Fisher got player of the game with 23 pts. He also took 7 3's while Kobe took none. Kobe, Odom, and Pau had 18, 17, and 16 respectively. I scored 41 with Melo, 23 and 12 with Stat, 16 with billups. I jacked up a lot of 3's, didnt score much in the paint, and blew it in the 2nd half, so pretty much a realistic game of New York Knick basketball I played. Haha

    Might try playing on Pro for a more realistic pace or lowering the gameplay shooting tendencies back to zero or both and upping my foul sliders. Keep in mind I haven't touched any of the attribute changes youve made to commit fouls, draw fouls, vertical, etc. Just DC's dunk edits, your dribble moves. Oh, and you might want to raise Melo's 3's tendency to 30. I only play in Association without saving after every game and when I simmed up until when the Knicks first play the Lakers, Melo pretty much was averaging about 5-6 3pt attempts per game.
    I don't get it... Melo's tendencies are based on his real life shot selections for the Knicks.

    Not sure why Fish took 7 3's unless he has hot or he was open. I have noticed that the CPU will feed the hot man more with this roster. I had Shaq drop 18 in the first half on me... he was hot and therefore he started getting Orebs, Blocks which lead him to being a beast. I then doubled him the rest of the game and he ended up with 27. Still beastly for Shaq... but IRL this can happen. Even Fish can drop 20+ on a good night.

    Originally posted by driftnyc
    Oh word, but I'm going off the spreadsheet for PS3 users. It seems pretty on point from what I've played. From my understanding it seems like the data is complete for every team but just not implemented for every team which is why not every team is "complete". I could be wrong though. Chia, I'm looking at the shot ratings for the Knicks and am I really to believe that I should up Andy Rautin's and Derrick Brown's Mid to 100? Granted they barely played and when they did get a chance to shoot a mid range J they sank em, so statistically that would make em a 100, but I mean c'mon. Unless you are still working on some teams and I should just stop and go in the order you're releasing them. i just wanted to start with my favorite/most used teams and go from there.
    As I have said before... DC has input all of the shot ratings. I am sure he took liberty to change players that came out to 100 when he knows that they shouldn't be. What I will do is go into my roster and check out Rautin and Brown and check their ratings and put them on here.

    Originally posted by driftnyc
    OK, to clarify: everything on the spreadsheet for PS3 users is good, done, and ready to go? And you're just working on adding things like 3 pt, FT, Rebound ratings and such? Any other tendencies? Post moves too?...nudge nudge...Just wondering what the 360 users are getting that we PS3 users arent, aside from the obvious hex edits and all that. I definitely understand and appreciate all the hard work going into this my dude.
    Everything that is on the spreadsheet is good to go. I need to get with DC to get the FT, 3pt, Rebounding, etc added to the spreadsheets. He and Hyper did all of that. The only thing that the PS3 guys won't be getting are the hundreds of small edits that we have done, such as post move tendency edits, dunk tendency edits, putback edits and various other small edits.

    Comment

    • iameich
      MVP
      • Jan 2011
      • 1501

      #197
      Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

      Chia,

      let me know if u have uploaded ur latest Roster/Slider tests as I have time to test some games right now. holla back.
      "It's about damn time... It's about damn time.” - LeBron James

      Comment

      • AMB
        Banned
        • Aug 2010
        • 190

        #198
        Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

        Originally posted by iameich
        Chia,

        let me know if u have uploaded ur latest Roster/Slider tests as I have time to test some games right now. holla back.
        Same here! Thanks for helping out with everyones questions

        Comment

        • chia51
          Banned
          • Jul 2005
          • 1912

          #199
          Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

          Somehow I accidentally saved over my roster file and I lost... MIA, MIL and MIN... so I will have to redo them and the coaching changes.

          For the NYK mid range ratings.

          Melo 89 (+5 from the spreadsheet)
          Stat 84 (same)
          Rautin 75 (-25 from SS)
          Brown 35 (-65 from SS)

          Like I was saying, I am sure DC did personal judgement on the guys who came out "high" and didn't really shoot all that much irl.

          Comment

          • iameich
            MVP
            • Jan 2011
            • 1501

            #200
            Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

            Originally posted by chia51
            Somehow I accidentally saved over my roster file and I lost... MIA, MIL and MIN... so I will have to redo them and the coaching changes.

            For the NYK mid range ratings.

            Melo 89 (+5 from the spreadsheet)
            Stat 84 (same)
            Rautin 75 (-25 from SS)
            Brown 35 (-65 from SS)

            Like I was saying, I am sure DC did personal judgement on the guys who came out "high" and didn't really shoot all that much irl.
            Chia, let me know when u upload ur latest rosters with Miami so I can test. I'll play with another team from the list u gave a couple posts ago for now...
            "It's about damn time... It's about damn time.” - LeBron James

            Comment

            • chia51
              Banned
              • Jul 2005
              • 1912

              #201
              Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

              Uploaded new slider set and roster with Miami finished.

              Give it a minute to refresh on 2kshare and make sure the timestamp is this one (Apr 28, 10:18am)

              Comment

              • iameich
                MVP
                • Jan 2011
                • 1501

                #202
                Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                Originally posted by chia51
                Uploaded new slider set and roster with Miami finished.

                Give it a minute to refresh on 2kshare and make sure the timestamp is this one (Apr 28, 10:18am)
                nice! thnks chia, I'll get to that later…

                already started a 12min game wit Bulls @ Pacers(me) and it's going good… I'll make sure to do the half time slider changes exactly as u posted on page 16, but if Chicago starts pulling away by too much, I'll just rematch wit the Heat for some payback lol
                "It's about damn time... It's about damn time.” - LeBron James

                Comment

                • chia51
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 1912

                  #203
                  Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                  No need to do the HT changes anymore.

                  Comment

                  • driftnyc
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 40

                    #204
                    Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                    Originally posted by chia51
                    Yes all of the updates to tendencies, whether it be coach or player makes a huge difference. Also I do not have any sliders at 0 anymore. I will be posting the slider set (WIP) on here later today.

                    I don't get it... Melo's tendencies are based on his real life shot selections for the Knicks.

                    Not sure why Fish took 7 3's unless he has hot or he was open. I have noticed that the CPU will feed the hot man more with this roster. I had Shaq drop 18 in the first half on me... he was hot and therefore he started getting Orebs, Blocks which lead him to being a beast. I then doubled him the rest of the game and he ended up with 27. Still beastly for Shaq... but IRL this can happen. Even Fish can drop 20+ on a good night.

                    As I have said before... DC has input all of the shot ratings. I am sure he took liberty to change players that came out to 100 when he knows that they shouldn't be. What I will do is go into my roster and check out Rautin and Brown and check their ratings and put them on here.

                    Everything that is on the spreadsheet is good to go. I need to get with DC to get the FT, 3pt, Rebounding, etc added to the spreadsheets. He and Hyper did all of that. The only thing that the PS3 guys won't be getting are the hundreds of small edits that we have done, such as post move tendency edits, dunk tendency edits, putback edits and various other small edits.
                    Appreciate the response. So you don't even have look for post at 0 in the gameplay sliders? I remember seeing you say that it effects full court passes.

                    Yeah I was looking through the box scores after simulating and for the most part it looked like Melo was averaging 5-6 3's with a 8, 9, 10 attempt here and there, the occasional 4. I'd say somewhere between 25-30 tendency would be good but that's just me.

                    As far as Fish goes it was a little bit of both; he got good open looks which led to him getting hot and I guess I played pretty good D on Kobe but still for him not to take one 3 is suspect. But I'm sure there were a bunch of variables that played a part like differences in our sliders and not implementing other attributes yet.

                    I also remember seeing you say that bench at 0 for coachs results in the actual rotation thats set but for some reason Joe Smith saw some playing time. I have him at 0 minutes, I dont recall anyone being in foul trouble and it definitely wasnt garbage time. Again, it was that one game and I'll do some more testing once everything is implemented.

                    I would love to get those dunk tendency #'s. Post moves would be great too but I can live without them. I'm just tired of seeing certain players not dunking it when they're wide open on a break. Shannon Brown definitely threw it down when he was open but Kobe had at least 5 open lanes on the break and didnt throw it down once. Im talkin wide open, no one around, fastbreak, layup... Hey, even some sorta scale would suffice. Currently, I have dunking ability left at 50 and attempt dunks at 42 (just upped to 44 actually).

                    Thanks for all the work and definitely eagerly anticipating the rest.

                    Comment

                    • chia51
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 1912

                      #205
                      Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                      Originally posted by driftnyc
                      Appreciate the response. So you don't even have look for post at 0 in the gameplay sliders? I remember seeing you say that it effects full court passes.

                      Yeah I was looking through the box scores after simulating and for the most part it looked like Melo was averaging 5-6 3's with a 8, 9, 10 attempt here and there, the occasional 4. I'd say somewhere between 25-30 tendency would be good but that's just me.

                      As far as Fish goes it was a little bit of both; he got good open looks which led to him getting hot and I guess I played pretty good D on Kobe but still for him not to take one 3 is suspect. But I'm sure there were a bunch of variables that played a part like differences in our sliders and not implementing other attributes yet.

                      I also remember seeing you say that bench at 0 for coachs results in the actual rotation thats set but for some reason Joe Smith saw some playing time. I have him at 0 minutes, I dont recall anyone being in foul trouble and it definitely wasnt garbage time. Again, it was that one game and I'll do some more testing once everything is implemented.

                      I would love to get those dunk tendency #'s. Post moves would be great too but I can live without them. I'm just tired of seeing certain players not dunking it when they're wide open on a break. Shannon Brown definitely threw it down when he was open but Kobe had at least 5 open lanes on the break and didnt throw it down once. Im talkin wide open, no one around, fastbreak, layup... Hey, even some sorta scale would suffice. Currently, I have dunking ability left at 50 and attempt dunks at 42 (just upped to 44 actually).

                      Thanks for all the work and definitely eagerly anticipating the rest.
                      As for the dunking on a FB... not sure why Kobe didn't. I have my Dunk ability at 50 and dunk tendency at 40. Again not sure why. As for Joe Smith coming in... not sure why... was this in Assoc mode? Are you controlling all 30 teams? or was this quick play?

                      On the spreadsheet Melo is going to be 23 for 3pt tendency. Also you have to take in the fact that the Knicks 3pt tendency is 30. They are the 2nd highest behind Orlando (33).

                      Comment

                      • iameich
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1501

                        #206
                        Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                        Originally posted by chia51
                        No need to do the HT changes anymore.
                        just started 2nd qt of Bulls @ Pacers(me) and I downloaded ur latest sliders/rosters like half hour ago, do I still need to do the half time changes? or should I just restart?
                        "It's about damn time... It's about damn time.” - LeBron James

                        Comment

                        • chia51
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 1912

                          #207
                          Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                          Just restart it... and no need to do the halftime changes anymore.

                          Comment

                          • chia51
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 1912

                            #208
                            Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                            For the PS3 guys... if there is a player in the spreadsheet that comes out to 100+ or 99 for midrange and you are not sure if its correct. Post the name of the player and I will look it up and post the rating.

                            Comment

                            • driftnyc
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 40

                              #209
                              Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                              Originally posted by chia51
                              As for the dunking on a FB... not sure why Kobe didn't. I have my Dunk ability at 50 and dunk tendency at 40. Again not sure why. As for Joe Smith coming in... not sure why... was this in Assoc mode? Are you controlling all 30 teams? or was this quick play?

                              On the spreadsheet Melo is going to be 23 for 3pt tendency. Also you have to take in the fact that the Knicks 3pt tendency is 30. They are the 2nd highest behind Orlando (33).
                              I only play association controlling all 30 teams. I'm looking at Kobe's dunk tendency in my game right now and it says 3. Now I don't know if that's what it is out of the box or if that's what the person changed it to who's roster I downloaded and based all my changes off of. (Someone posted a while back their roster that already had DC's dunk edits). Shannon Brown's is 19 BTW.

                              As for Melo I'll knock it back down to 23 and see what happens.

                              Comment

                              • driftnyc
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 40

                                #210
                                Re: Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

                                Originally posted by chia51
                                For the PS3 guys... if there is a player in the spreadsheet that comes out to 100+ or 99 for midrange and you are not sure if its correct. Post the name of the player and I will look it up and post the rating.
                                Awesome. I was just about to say if you want I can keep track and compile a list of all the 100+ players as I go through all the teams so you can check it against yours. What about when it says #Div/0? For Example Magloire's Mid rating. Just lower it as far as it can go?

                                Comment

                                Working...