Update 5 Release Notes and Auction House Beta

[Dextro]

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Even if there were no minimums at all, if you're not willing to spend money, and you have no valuable commodities, you're not gonna be able to participate in the market.

You have the option RIGHT NOW, to sell cheap trainer cards to lazy players. I don't think that's a viable strategy, but if you think it is, it's already available.

The only barrier to entry would be the 20 credit listing fee. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't put up 20 credits, that means two things: A) you haven't played NBA2K15 (even tnough there are easy ways to get around this) and B) you're not willing to spend $2 (!) to buy some credits. From the developer's perspective, if you're not willing to do either of these things... why should they care about you? You're a leach.

And I don't get how people have such terrible decks anyway.

I'm a free player, and before AH opened, I had 7 Star Pros. That's probably on the high side, but for people to still have no sellable cards at this point in the game's life.. it just means you don't really play much. There are TOO many ways to get great cards in this game already. Season rewards are SUPER generous, drop rates are exponentially better than last year, RC rewards are easily attainable.. If you don't have ANY to sell, you must not play the game much. So again, if that's the case, why should the developer create features based around your wants?

If you don't have cards to sell at this point, and/or you don't have $2 you're willing to spend to get started, I don't understand how you can be invested enough in this game to complain.

I don´t have any issues with the fee, I just say that in my opinion this is the wrong way.
As I said before, in my opinion this is not really a market, and I don´t see a big chance that it will be a booming market in the future. If they don´t change a lot of things.

Take a look into different threads, there was somehow a gold rush during the first days. And now everybody is trying to generate a few credits. The prices were cut down by the community. Because nobody is willing to spend 1600 for an Epic, at least not enough people. What does it mean?
The Minimum Price is way to high, because we cannot earn enough credits to create offer and demand in the right way.

A really good example is FIFA, there is a market for everything. And if you don´t sell it, lower the price and somebody is picking it up.
It is up to CD, but out of my view, a booming market would generate more money.

I actually sold cards, I just started the game in February, and still I am pretty happy with my deck. And it will be better within a few weeks.
Cause I play season (and win them most of time), I play a lot of Quick Games and I participate in the RC, even when the last one was my first. So I am a bit behind all of you.

CD should really think about it, because I see so many options to create a booming market and generate even more money out of it.

[CedricFP]

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The interesting thing about the way the minimums have been lowered by buying commons at set prices is that CD is actually taking a bigger cut, because the overall transaction is larger.

30% of 2500 is 750. However, when a leg is sold for "1500", the actual take for CD becomes 750 + (1000*0.3) = 1050.

They get a bigger tax cut when we "lower" the prices, and it therefore actually ends up draining the liquid credit pool faster overall

[ActionJack]

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I don´t have any issues with the fee, I just say that in my opinion this is the wrong way.
As I said before, in my opinion this is not really a market, and I don´t see a big chance that it will be a booming market in the future. If they don´t change a lot of things.

Take a look into different threads, there was somehow a gold rush during the first days. And now everybody is trying to generate a few credits. The prices were cut down by the community. Because nobody is willing to spend 1600 for an Epic, at least not enough people. What does it mean?
The Minimum Price is way to high, because we cannot earn enough credits to create offer and demand in the right way.

A really good example is FIFA, there is a market for everything. And if you don´t sell it, lower the price and somebody is picking it up.
It is up to CD, but out of my view, a booming market would generate more money.

I actually sold cards, I just started the game in February, and still I am pretty happy with my deck. And it will be better within a few weeks.
Cause I play season (and win them most of time), I play a lot of Quick Games and I participate in the RC, even when the last one was my first. So I am a bit behind all of you.

CD should really think about it, because I see so many options to create a booming market and generate even more money out of it.

Lowering the tax, and lowering minimums is a valid idea. If we could focus on that, and helping iron out real numbers, that'd be great.

Talking about eliminating minimums.. or having CD fully fund every player's AH obsessions (as is being discussed here by several people) is a waste of space, time, and brain cells.

[TheEDGE_USA]

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I don't have any complain but rather I am so satisfied for this BETA, I think it's because I had played this game for many months now that I was able to collect my star cards that I used to sell. I successfully sold 9 of my star player cards. I gained just enough credit to buy 3 more star on auction to pro my other 3. Then I was able to buy 2 MVP star cards which before is impossible for me to buy, with still 4k credit remaining. The maximum credit I can buy is only 600 credit only when I needed to boost a seasonal event., I hope they will extend the BETA for at least 1 more week.

[iluvnug]

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This has been an interesting beta. For the most part, it was a success. The AH client is a relatively smooth and easy to use interface. I was able to use the client to procure several Stars. The sorting and searching options need some polish though. I tried looking for support cards for team boost and nothing would display.

Also, CD went in a direction that I wasn't expecting with the exorbitantly high tax and high minimums. I think CD should only be taxing 15% to 20% at most.

Also, I think a solution to get more credits in the market pool would be to double the Daily VC credit bonus. It would be a nice boost for those who bought the game and an encouragement to buy the game for those that did not. As is, the paltry daily credit bonus is almost laughable. It's not like giving this Daily bonus a small boost is going to hurt CD's bottom line. It's still only a drop in the bucket for an MVP pack/RS Pack.

However, free to play players asking for free credits per game is going a bit overboard. CD and 2K need to make money on their game. It's cool that free players can play the basic game, but if they want credits, they should buy the game.

[vince217]

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im happy with the AH so far. as a free player who saved up a little over 5000 VC from the daily VC bonus, ladder rewards, plus sold a couple of unused cards in my collection, it was nice to be able to purchase 2 maxed Leg Pros. Had i grinded or bought packs, who knows how long it would take for me to achieve this.

thanks to the person who advised me to keep my credits until AH.

[iluvnug]

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im happy with the AH so far. as a free player who saved up a little over 5000 VC from the daily VC bonus, ladder rewards, plus sold a couple of unused cards in my collection, it was nice to be able to purchase 2 maxed Leg Pros. Had i grinded or bought packs, who knows how long it would take for me to achieve this.

thanks to the person who advised me to keep my credits until AH.

If you get the daily bonus, you aren't technically considered a free player. Even if you used a loophole to register, that loophole may not work forever.

[djase]

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wrong posts sorry

[iluvnug]

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All theses cards at min

i have 2 epics maurice CHEEKS but not enough time for maxout & combine.

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OK. But do you really need to post them here?? You already posted them in other threads. That's annoying.

[djase]

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OK. But do you really need to post them here?? You already posted them in other threads. That's annoying.

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[vince217]

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If you get the daily bonus, you aren't technically considered a free player. Even if you used a loophole to register, that loophole may not work forever.

sorry about that. i thought 'free player' meant not spending any real $ specifically to get VC. i do play NBA 2k15 on my PS4, so im not going through any loopholes.

[ActionJack]

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If you get the daily bonus, you aren't technically considered a free player. Even if you used a loophole to register, that loophole may not work forever.

sorry about that. i thought 'free player' meant not spending any real $ specifically to get VC. i do play NBA 2k15 on my PS4, so im not going through any loopholes.

That's what a free player is widely considered to be. If you don't spend real money on credits in this game, you're a free player.

This other guy may have his own definition, but when you say free player, people don't just assume you don't get your paltry 20 credits or so per day.

[ActionJack]

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From that other site:

Actual issues:

Filtering Support Cards doesn't work. You can filter the card tier, but that's it. The other filters always return zero results.

Ummm.. that's the only functional issue I can really think of.

Suggestions for improvement:

Allow users to cancel/modify auctions that don't have bids.

Obviously set different minimums for Pros versus Singles

If there is any way to implement safeguards against improper Pros, that'd be great. I'll never get burned on that, but it makes my cards less valuable, when somebody else can peddle defective goods right next to mine, at the same price, and the average user can't differentiate.

Messaging feature would be amazing. Not sure if that's feasible in any way, with the scope of this game.

Overall feeling:

I was never one of these people that was too into the idea of AH or trading. I figured the game would devolve quickly because of it. The jury is still out on that, but it does look to be headed in that direction. That being said, devolution of the game isn't THAT big of a deal, honestly. This game was never all that evolved to begin with. It can still be fun for the same reasons it always was, but CD shouldn't rely on that. AH has accelerated the life cycle of this game now, and they should really think about how to inject new life into this game. New, DIFFERENT game modes would be seriously appreciated.

As for how this all has worked, I caution people to try not to glean TOO much from this Beta, CD included.

I see people selling under minimums, and people thinking that this somehow is indicative of where the market is, where it will be in the future, and where it should be. I patently reject that. People are calling for lowering or elimination of minimums. I think the exact opposite is probably necessary.

The AH for this week was flooded with cards that people have built up for months. We saw HUGE deflation of value in cards, because there were just so many out there. People had stockpiled cards since October, and were DYING to clear the space in their decks, so the market got flooded, cards didn't sell, and people started putting them on clearance. This is NOT representative of how things would be in an ongoing market. One week is not long enough to normalize the market. I hope people understand that the prices we've been seeing are not a real representation of how things would be going forward. Calls to lower/eliminate minimums are misguided.

The market was also affected by the error of not separating singles from Pros. This pushed the price down on everything. A single Legend may actually be worth 2500 in an open structure, but when Pros are going for 2500 on Day One (since everyone is so eager to sell, and nobody knows what anything is worth), that immediately says that singles CANNOT be worth that minimum. I think if the minimum for Pros was raised to 4000, then singles would easily sell at 2500.

As it is, things were devalued so much that people were selling off Legends for "1500" with buyback deals that would net the seller something like 750 credits after taxes. We ALL know Legends are worth more than 750 credits.

Same goes for all the tiers. Everything was affected by CD setting a flawed price structure. Besides singles and Pros not being separate, some of the pricing was too close anyway. There should be a larger gap between Epic and Legendary for example. If I can get a Legend for 2500, buying an Epic at 1600 really doesn't make a ton of sense.

Of course I'm not bashing CD here. They had to create an entire market, with all sorts of rules and constraints, with very little to go on. It would have been impossible to get it right for the Beta.

Going forward though, if anything, I'd like to see prices go up. There needs to be value for the seller. It can't just be a race to the bottom, because that's how this first few days went.

Now that people have gotten rid of most of their unwanted cards, I really doubt pricing would still stay so low. Especially now, with increased competition at the highest level.. a lot of us were so used to being able to count on winning Star seasons for free... now, at least for me, that isn't a given at all. The value of a Star has gone up for me. A couple of days worth of AH isn't gonna show that.

Just my 2¢

Edit- oh yeah.. 30% is too high. 15-20% is the most that's reasonable.

Edit2- One other HUGE contributing factor to devaluing of cards, is the fact that this was a limited Beta. People had 5 days basically to get rid of everything they wanted to. It was essentially a Going Out of Business sale, with people racing against the clock to liquidate as much as possible. This pushed prices WAY down.

Again, I cannot stress this enough.. The pricing we saw on cards this week was in NO WAY indicative of what an ongoing market would look like. I REALLY hope CD recognizes this, and doesn't try to make changes just based on what happened during a Beta with myriad extenuating circumstances.

Yeah... what he said.


Also, all cards should be actionable, with the exception of RC cards. It'd be better for the AH, and it'd probably be better for pack sales too. Not being able to auction those cards is a huge strike against them.

What is the reason they aren't actionable anyway?

[PrimeTime2K]

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My guess is because the cards are not draftable. Maybe make the mins for special packs higher.

[ActionJack]

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My guess is because the cards are not draftable. Maybe make the mins for special packs higher.

But is there a real, pragmatic reason with some basis behind it?

Them not being draftable is an arbitrary reason. It doesn't make any intrinsic sense. It's a "because I said so" kind of thing.

NWGD- would you mind sharing the reasoning behind not making MVP/RS/All Star cards non actionable? What's the benefit to you/us?