3/2 Nerf, when?

[etched Chaos]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

They do it by making +5 games slightly easier to win after the nerf.

If we are going to do 3/2 why have 5 cards at all? Then people would do 2/1. Let's just make it like war. Best card wins.



How about a balance bonus? Say the position bonus is doubled if your worst card is 50% of your best or better. Or 40% whatever number works to balance things. If RCs are harder so what, they are harder for everyone so it shouldn't matter. A dropping sea lowers all boats.

Or how about we not nerf 3/2 or RC's at all and instead have your opponents LU (not your own) be the player's 5 best cards, seeing as your issue is with facing 3/2's and not employing it.

As for the 'why have 5 cards' argument, they have 5 cards because it's an NBA based game, why would they change it? To appease players like you, who see any strategy like 3/2 as wrong?

Also you do not seem to grasp the absurdity of the +5 difficulty, it's not that it's difficult for 5/0ers, it's downright impossible for all but the top 0.0001% when running your 5 best cards. Yes, to everyone but SourSyd/BeegDawg and the few others it's the same level of difficulty, but that does not make it right. The RC's are huge moneymakers for $D, hot streaks to play +5's brings in a shedload of cash, nerfing the 3/2 kills that revenue stream, after all why would you buy hot streaks for +10's when you're just gonna lose?

I'm sure you'll say 'just play +3s then', yes we could do that, but we certainly wouldn't be paying money just so we can win an extra point per game than a standard +5 game.

[redsox4evur]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Or how about we not nerf 3/2 or RC's at all and instead have your opponents LU (not your own) be the player's 5 best cards, seeing as your issue is with facing 3/2's and not employing it.

As for the 'why have 5 cards' argument, they have 5 cards because it's an NBA based game, why would they change it? To appease players like you, who see any strategy like 3/2 as wrong?

Also you do not seem to grasp the absurdity of the +5 difficulty, it's not that it's difficult for 5/0ers, it's downright impossible for all but the top 0.0001% when running your 5 best cards. Yes, to everyone but SourSyd/BeegDawg and the few others it's the same level of difficulty, but that does not make it right. The RC's are huge moneymakers for $D, hot streaks to play +5's brings in a shedload of cash, nerfing the 3/2 kills that revenue stream, after all why would you buy hot streaks for +10's when you're just gonna lose?

I'm sure you'll say 'just play +3s then', yes we could do that, but we certainly wouldn't be paying money just so we can win an extra point per game than a standard +5 game.

How about Cat Daddy already said they were going to nerf it. So it's going to happen at some point we just don't know when.

[etched Chaos]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

How about Cat Daddy already said they were going to nerf it. So it's going to happen at some point we just don't know when.

Gonna be fun when they nerf it and the following RC they see a precipitous drop in hot streak revenue.

[Sir Master Tim]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Or how about we not nerf 3/2 or RC's at all and instead have your opponents LU (not your own) be the player's 5 best cards, seeing as your issue is with facing 3/2's and not employing it.

As for the 'why have 5 cards' argument, they have 5 cards because it's an NBA based game, why would they change it? To appease players like you, who see any strategy like 3/2 as wrong?

Also you do not seem to grasp the absurdity of the +5 difficulty, it's not that it's difficult for 5/0ers, it's downright impossible for all but the top 0.0001% when running your 5 best cards. Yes, to everyone but SourSyd/BeegDawg and the few others it's the same level of difficulty, but that does not make it right. The RC's are huge moneymakers for $D, hot streaks to play +5's brings in a shedload of cash, nerfing the 3/2 kills that revenue stream, after all why would you buy hot streaks for +10's when you're just gonna lose?

I'm sure you'll say 'just play +3s then', yes we could do that, but we certainly wouldn't be paying money just so we can win an extra point per game than a standard +5 game.

Great points about the cash revenue. And I agree that I see no point in nerfing 3/2 especially since players will find ways around it. they always do. The one thing I disagree with you about is plying with your opponents deck against your own deck. The obvious problem is if im building a deck catered to me then why would I want to use someone elses deck. The not so obvious problem is whats going to stop players from stacking their deck with WBF and Bibby knowing that they will be playing against decks of similar tier.5 random star cards> 5WBF

[eVizions]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

How about Cat Daddy already said they were going to nerf it. So it's going to happen at some point we just don't know when.

They also said they were going to nerf it in the update prior to last RC and didn't. If they're smart, they'll leave it as is.

[Dextro]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Before they nerf the last thing which makes the game playable during RC, they should focus on seasons and rewards.
Just joined a season in Legendary where the number 1 guy has 3 RC Stars, 2 Star Pros, 3 Stars and some Leg Pros. With the new reward system there is absolutely no reason to go to the semi finals or the finals just because of 80 Credits. Cause this guy is out of range for everybody in the season. But even then, it should be worth it if you qualify for the finals. But with this crappy rewards? 76ers modus on!


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[Rip4ever]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Or how about we not nerf 3/2 or RC's at all and instead have your opponents LU (not your own) be the player's 5 best cards, seeing as your issue is with facing 3/2's and not employing it.

As for the 'why have 5 cards' argument, they have 5 cards because it's an NBA based game, why would they change it? To appease players like you, who see any strategy like 3/2 as wrong?

Also you do not seem to grasp the absurdity of the +5 difficulty, it's not that it's difficult for 5/0ers, it's downright impossible for all but the top 0.0001% when running your 5 best cards. Yes, to everyone but SourSyd/BeegDawg and the few others it's the same level of difficulty, but that does not make it right. The RC's are huge moneymakers for $D, hot streaks to play +5's brings in a shedload of cash, nerfing the 3/2 kills that revenue stream, after all why would you buy hot streaks for +10's when you're just gonna lose?

I'm sure you'll say 'just play +3s then', yes we could do that, but we certainly wouldn't be paying money just so we can win an extra point per game than a standard +5 game.

OK, then why have +1s at all? At least then I wouldn't need to scroll down. No one would play +1 as it is unless they are a total noob who still hasn't realized playing RCs without 3/2 is just wasting your time.

Or I have another idea that wouldn't change anything. Just detect for 3/2 LUs and match them against other 3/2 LUs balanced lineups match against other balanced lineups.

3/2 is nothing but a crutch to allow people who have played a while an advantage over those who haven't.

[Rip4ever]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Gonna be fun when they nerf it and the following RC they see a precipitous drop in hot streak revenue.

I don't think they will, they will just see a shift in a lot more people playing +3 and some even playing +1. Right now I doubt hardly anyone plays +1. Playing +5 would actually become a risk instead of just the way that people who understand the game know is the best way to have a steep advantage over anyone who doesn't play +5. Right now it is a no-brainer.

[eVizions]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I don't think they will, they will just see a shift in a lot more people playing +3 and some even playing +1. Right now I doubt hardly anyone plays +1. Playing +5 would actually become a risk instead of just the way that people who understand the game know is the best way to have a steep advantage over anyone who doesn't play +5. Right now it is a no-brainer.

I think his point was that less people would buy hot streaks if they did that. You don't use hot streaks with +3 games, only +5 games. Plus, you'd create a larger divide between the good and greats. SourSyd and BeegDawg wouldn't have any problem winning +5 games, but nobody else would, because we'd have to face them.

[GrapeApe216]

3/2 Nerf, when?

CD fixes fortuitous bugs for players almost immediately. Remember that recent stretch of a few hours when UR enhancements were able to be pulled? And the emergency maintenance that followed?

So them not patching the 3/2 "bug" since way back in the 2k14 days shows that it must be somehow benefitting CD by allowing it to persist. To be clear, I'm in favor of the 3/2 lineup staying how it is. It's just a strategy to adjust to.


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[etched Chaos]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Great points about the cash revenue. And I agree that I see no point in nerfing 3/2 especially since players will find ways around it. they always do. The one thing I disagree with you about is plying with your opponents deck against your own deck. The obvious problem is if im building a deck catered to me then why would I want to use someone elses deck. The not so obvious problem is whats going to stop players from stacking their deck with WBF and Bibby knowing that they will be playing against decks of similar tier.5 random star cards> 5WBF

You misunderstand, I don't mean you play with their deck, I mean your opponent's QG deck is their 5 best cards, so if you run into a 3/2er, you won't see the 3/2 you'll see their 'best' deck. It has no bearing on what cards, you yourself use, just who you face. So instead of running into higher deckers who run the 3/2 themselves you'll run into guys around your level but are a tier above because they have their best cards out instead of a 3/2.

[etched Chaos]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I don't think they will, they will just see a shift in a lot more people playing +3 and some even playing +1. Right now I doubt hardly anyone plays +1. Playing +5 would actually become a risk instead of just the way that people who understand the game know is the best way to have a steep advantage over anyone who doesn't play +5. Right now it is a no-brainer.

A no-brainer? Extra risk? The last RC I went for and got into the top 1000, I used a 3/2 of a Leg Pro, a Star and an Epic Pro because those were my 3 best cards and I needed to be in the leg tier for my pulls. I lost 15% of my games, often by running into HOFers and MVPers, there was no such thing as a no-brainer for me that RC.

After 2 days I tried a lower tiered deck, it actually yielded worse results, so I'll not believe anyone who thinks +5 is a no-brainer even for 3/2ers. So that leads me to your whole 'extra risk' statement, have you any idea how hard the +5's are if you run your 5 best cards? If I'm losing 15% of my games whilst running my best 3/2 for winning, can you imagine how little I'd win if i ran 5 of them?

Here's a test for you, the next RC is coming up, pick your 5 best cards and play the +5 deck exclusively, I bet you can't even win 100 games games a day, no matter how much you grind.

[Sir Master Tim]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

You misunderstand, I don't mean you play with their deck, I mean your opponent's QG deck is their 5 best cards, so if you run into a 3/2er, you won't see the 3/2 you'll see their 'best' deck. It has no bearing on what cards, you yourself use, just who you face. So instead of running into higher deckers who run the 3/2 themselves you'll run into guys around your level but are a tier above because they have their best cards out instead of a 3/2.

Thanks for clarifying that. But it still doesn't really solve much. From my understanding the problem with 3/2 lineups is that players use it to drop down a tier or 2 to gain easy wins and +5s in RC. Your idea doesn't really solve the issue as players can still employ the strategy. Im in first tier of star with 2 stars and 3 leg pros. I can still substitute 2 of my cards with commons to gain a favorablable matchup against tiers way below me making it irrelevant if I face a tier above my "level"


Someone PLEASE correct me if Im misunderstanding the concept

[etched Chaos]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Thanks for clarifying that. But it still doesn't really solve much. From my understanding the problem with 3/2 lineups is that players use it to drop down a tier or 2 to gain easy wins and +5s in RC. Your idea doesn't really solve the issue as players can still employ the strategy. Im in first tier of star with 2 stars and 3 leg pros. I can still substitute 2 of my cards with commons to gain a favorablable matchup against tiers way below me making it irrelevant if I face a tier above my "level"


Someone PLEASE correct me if Im misunderstanding the concept

I wasn't trying to fix that lol, the op's problem was with running into 3/2's himself, he thinks they're unbeatable or something. Fixing the 3/2 strategy doesn't seem viable to me, no matter what you do, people will find a way around it and it serves $D to keep the 3/2 around. Especially as the AI is pretty predictable making running into 3/2's not such a big deal.

[nzjase]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I wasn't trying to fix that lol, the op's problem was with running into 3/2's himself, he thinks they're unbeatable or something. Fixing the 3/2 strategy doesn't seem viable to me, no matter what you do, people will find a way around it and it serves $D to keep the 3/2 around. Especially as the AI is pretty predictable making running into 3/2's not such a big deal.

I am still at a loss as to what the big deal is around 3/2 lineups anyway.

The OP argument is it isn't fun to watch the graphics in a 3/2 just doesn't stakc up.

I use a 3/2 in rivals and a 4/1 or 5/0 in QG depending on what I am trying to achieve. I fail to see how it harms anyone else and when I run 3/2 my deck would be easy to own. Play your best card 2nd and then your other two 4th and 5th and you will beat me 95%+