3/2 Nerf, when?

[Poetic]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Brad. What if you chose a few players as beta testers. Go with some of the moderators or people they deem trustworthy.

It's Common practice in my line of work. When ever we don't bring in every day operations guys for some very small! beta testing we have a hard time explaining how on earth we could have been so stupid to miss the obvious Bug or misconcept. Bugs that will be there inevitably.



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[Poetic]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Some other guys are from it too. So you wouldn't have to explain all the stuff to an amateur.



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[Poetic]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I'm not suggesting me of course as I had a certain civilized! rant about how I am done giving constructive Feedback. [emoji41]



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[Sir Master Tim]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

the goal is to increase the diversity of cards you're using. we want you to feel like you can compete with your five besties because others are doing the same. matchmaking will respect that, so you shouldn't get into sitches where you're playing massively above your tier. in RC's in particular, the higher you climb the harder it gets.

Im sorry but have you ever played this game before? The only players that can play at their level during RC and still win are the players with HoF/PaP pro cards and that is a form of 3/2 lineup its self as they would already be in the next tier if it was out.


Another problem I have is there was a few games when I had at least 3 offense calls sometimes 4 but then I would go a couple of games without getting the call.

[Dextro]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

It is really depending on matchmaking, sometimes you get easier opponents on +5.
In my example the +5 was Leg++, the +3 was Star.

If it stays as it is, I don't see any chance that you can compete on a high percentage (what you are looking for during RC) against +5 decks.




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[Rip4ever]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

No one seems to be taking into account that whatever is done will hinder everyone, so yea you will struggle more for points but so will everyone else. So the point totals would be lower making it no more or less difficult than it is now to attain a certain rank.

+5/+10 should be a high risk/ high reward strategy not the defacto only way to compete.

[Pims95]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

It is really depending on matchmaking, sometimes you get easier opponents on +5.
In my example the +5 was Leg++, the +3 was Star.

In general, a +5 deck is always tougher than a +3 deck. You can reach star tier with 4 leg pros and one epic pro, you can be in leg++ with three partially trained star pros and 2 commons. The second lineups tend to give you a surefire loss.

[seedykiwi]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I started the last RC with my best lineup in Leg++ - 2 leg pros and 3 epic pros... constantly getting rolled by 5 half trained leg pros or stars is what made me switch.

[eVizions]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

No one seems to be taking into account that whatever is done will hinder everyone, so yea you will struggle more for points but so will everyone else. So the point totals would be lower making it no more or less difficult than it is now to attain a certain rank.

+5/+10 should be a high risk/ high reward strategy not the defacto only way to compete.

But that isn't the case. The guys running lineups with 5 RC/HOF/P&P Pros will not play lineups better than them, because they have the top lineups. Guys like me, however, with 5 normal Star Pros will have no chance at +5, because we will be facing them, where we will get crushed. If I can't win at +5, I'm not going to hot streak, and I may as well not even play. You can't make top 100 or 1000 by playing +3 games.

[Yonder]

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You can't make top 100 or 1000 by playing +3 games.

Well, it's not only you who can't win +5s anymore. That applies to everybody. The overall score in RCs will go down, that's all.

I think the expectation to win +5s with 90+% probability is simply an error. That was only possible through the 3/2 exploit. I myself haven't played a +3 or +1 game in months. It's not even an option. And that is clearly an aberration that should be ended.

The thing that worries me more is: If the overall ratio to win quick games goes down which results in less cards to train away, how are we supposed to feed our playoff cards? I expect them to be extremely hungry...

[eVizions]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Well, it's not only you who can't win +5s anymore. That applies to everybody. The overall score in RCs will go down, that's all.

I think the expectation to win +5s with 90+% probability is simply an error. That was only possible through the 3/2 exploit. I myself haven't played a +3 or +1 game in months. It's not even an option. And that is clearly an aberration that should be ended.

The thing that worries me more is: If the overall ratio to win quick games goes down which results in less cards to train away, how are we supposed to feed our playoff cards? I expect them to be extremely hungry...

Except it's not everybody. As I stated in my post, everyone with a lineup full of RC/HOF/P&P will win +5 games just fine.

[iluvnug]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Except it's not everybody. As I stated in my post, everyone with a lineup full of RC/HOF/P&P will win +5 games just fine.

Not really. With 5 HoF cards, I was only matched up with people with similar deck strength. It's not an instant win by any means. Incidentally, the only guy I ever matched up with at +5 was Syd. Everone else was playing 3/2 lineups, including all the top players like beeg, leng, and others. That means even the people with killer lineups were cheesing out with 3/2. All those Yaos in the top 25 were doing 3/2 too.

[eVizions]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

Not really. With 5 HoF cards, I was only matched up with people with similar deck strength. It's not an instant win by any means. Incidentally, the only guy I ever matched up with was Syd. Everone else was playing 3/2 lineups, including all the top players like beeg, leng, and others. That means even the people with killer lineups were cheesing out with 3/2. All those Yaos in the top 25 were doing 3/2 too.

But you can compete and win at +5. I can't. Normal Star Pros can't even compete with HOF.

[iluvnug]

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But you can compete and win at +5. I can't. Normal Star Pros can't even compete with HOF.

I could only win 50% of them though because of matchups and out of position players. They aren't guaranteed wins like 3/2. Plus, 3/2 is what enables scripters to be able to win with consistency. Remove it and it will definitely shake up the top 100. They wouldn't even need to have the authentication code in place at that point.
I get where you all are coming from though, 3/2 is easy win and grind friendly.
If they just update the ai so it doesn't always play its best cards in qtr 1 and 3, then it would kill scripting efficiency as well.

[eVizions]

Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

I could only win 50% of them though because of matchups and out of position players. They aren't guaranteed wins like 3/2. Plus, 3/2 is what enables scripters to be able to win with consistency. Remove it and it will definitely shake up the top 100. They wouldn't even need to have the authentication code in place at that point.
I get where you all are coming from though, 3/2 is easy win and grind friendly.
If they just update the ai so it doesn't always play its best cards in qtr 1 and 3, then it would kill scripting efficiency as well.

I guess what I was trying to convey was that it only further separates the upper tier from the lower tier, but it doesn't do what they claim it was intended for. I won't use my top 5 cards, because I'll be matched up against decks that will slaughter me. Maybe I'll try using 5 RC singles (the best of the single cards). If that's what I have to do to compete, then it goes against what they claim, because I'm not using any of my best 12 or so cards.