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  • Rip4ever
    Pro
    • Jun 2006
    • 679

    #1

    3/2 Nerf, when?

    When is that 3/2 nerf coming? I for one am sick to death of facing a 3/2 lineup more often than not.

  • KLCFM
    Rookie
    • Mar 2015
    • 97

    #2
    Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

    Originally posted by Rip4ever
    When is that 3/2 nerf coming? I for one am sick to death of facing a 3/2 lineup more often than not.

    3/2's are so easy to beat, I'd rather them not nerf.
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    • eVizions
      MVP
      • Apr 2008
      • 1257

      #3
      Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

      I actually like facing 3/2. Last RC, however, I started with a 5/0 lineup (thinking CD nerfed 3/2, as they stated) and just got crushed out of the gate.

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      • Rip4ever
        Pro
        • Jun 2006
        • 679

        #4
        Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

        It isn't about being hard to beat. I have 3 Star Pros and so do they, all about the playcalls. It makes the game boring however. During RCs I don't really care but I like playing and watching the game so I don't 3/2 anymore and RC was the only time I did.

        I just hate playing QG and seeing that 4th card come up a scrub card. Maybe if I had a button to just sim the rest and let me go on. They just remove any entertainment there was from actually playing the game and not just tapping through.

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        • nzjase
          Pro
          • Feb 2015
          • 733

          #5
          Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

          Originally posted by Rip4ever
          It isn't about being hard to beat. I have 3 Star Pros and so do they, all about the playcalls. It makes the game boring however. During RCs I don't really care but I like playing and watching the game so I don't 3/2 anymore and RC was the only time I did.

          I just hate playing QG and seeing that 4th card come up a scrub card. Maybe if I had a button to just sim the rest and let me go on. They just remove any entertainment there was from actually playing the game and not just tapping through.
          Are you being serious?

          Entertainment from watching the same 5 card graphic matchup I assume you have watched more than 10,000 times already (if you have 3 star pros).

          There is no entertainment in watching the matchup... this game is all about the grind. I admit there is a thrill in winning a closely fought match but honestly after the first few thousand of these it tends to get a bit tedious...

          What is the real reason you hate 3/2?

          Me, I love beating a 3/2 and seeing the scrub card. It is like boom... there goes your crappy 3/2 lineup.
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          • Plecians_fan_504
            Rookie
            • Oct 2014
            • 189

            #6
            Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

            Originally posted by Rip4ever
            It isn't about being hard to beat. I have 3 Star Pros and so do they, all about the playcalls. It makes the game boring however. During RCs I don't really care but I like playing and watching the game so I don't 3/2 anymore and RC was the only time I did.

            I just hate playing QG and seeing that 4th card come up a scrub card. Maybe if I had a button to just sim the rest and let me go on. They just remove any entertainment there was from actually playing the game and not just tapping through.
            Dude it is just cards jumping on the screen and numbers what entertainment lol

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            • Sir Master Tim
              Banned
              • Mar 2015
              • 340

              #7
              Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

              how exactly is this even possible?

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              • KLCFM
                Rookie
                • Mar 2015
                • 97

                #8
                Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

                Originally posted by nzjase
                Are you being serious?

                Entertainment from watching the same 5 card graphic matchup I assume you have watched more than 10,000 times already (if you have 3 star pros).

                There is no entertainment in watching the matchup... this game is all about the grind. I admit there is a thrill in winning a closely fought match but honestly after the first few thousand of these it tends to get a bit tedious...

                What is the real reason you hate 3/2?

                Me, I love beating a 3/2 and seeing the scrub card. It is like boom... there goes your crappy 3/2 lineup.
                My thoughts exactly! Haha.

                3/2's are just easy wins. Bring em on and I'll just keep knocking them down.

                Besides, I had lost interest in watching the same graphics after the first MJ card.
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                • lt112
                  Rookie
                  • Feb 2015
                  • 170

                  #9
                  Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

                  There probably isn't an effective way of nerfing 3/2 without making +5's in RC completely impossible to win.

                  What I have noticed though in regards to 3/2, before in RC's, the computer always threw it's strongest cards in the 1st and 3rd slot. In the most recent RC however, it seems to be randomized as to where it throw's it's strongest cards within the first 3 quarters.

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                  • eVizions
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 1257

                    #10
                    Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

                    Originally posted by lt112
                    There probably isn't an effective way of nerfing 3/2 without making +5's in RC completely impossible to win.

                    What I have noticed though in regards to 3/2, before in RC's, the computer always threw it's strongest cards in the 1st and 3rd slot. In the most recent RC however, it seems to be randomized as to where it throw's it's strongest cards within the first 3 quarters.
                    why not use the top 3 cards to determine deck strength? wouldn't that nerf it? then it wouldn't matter if your last 2 cards were common or as strong as your top 3.

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                    • nzjase
                      Pro
                      • Feb 2015
                      • 733

                      #11
                      Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

                      Originally posted by eVizions
                      why not use the top 3 cards to determine deck strength? wouldn't that nerf it? then it wouldn't matter if your last 2 cards were common or as strong as your top 3.
                      It would nerf it, but it would hammer your ability to win +5 games in RC completely (with 3/2, 4/1 and 5/0 lineups) given you have to beat the tier above in most cases for +5

                      For example: 2x star pros and 3x stars.

                      Using your logic your deck strength would be only slightly below star pro but miles above star yet you could never beat a near star pro deck with your lineup as you only have 2 star pros.

                      To be fair, your suggestion is what I thought CD would do without working it through and it worried me.

                      Thankfully they didn't.
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                      • lt112
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2015
                        • 170

                        #12
                        Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

                        Originally posted by eVizions
                        why not use the top 3 cards to determine deck strength? wouldn't that nerf it? then it wouldn't matter if your last 2 cards were common or as strong as your top 3.
                        If you determined deck strength off of top 3 cards, +5's would be impossible to win. Say you had 3 Star Pro's plus fodder. +5 would be close to 3-4 HoF/MVP/RC pro's; how would you ever win that?

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                        • eVizions
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 1257

                          #13
                          Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

                          Originally posted by lt112
                          If you determined deck strength off of top 3 cards, +5's would be impossible to win. Say you had 3 Star Pro's plus fodder. +5 would be close to 3-4 HoF/MVP/RC pro's; how would you ever win that?
                          Originally posted by nzjase
                          It would nerf it, but it would hammer your ability to win +5 games in RC completely (with 3/2, 4/1 and 5/0 lineups) given you have to beat the tier above in most cases for +5

                          For example: 2x star pros and 3x stars.

                          Using your logic your deck strength would be only slightly below star pro but miles above star yet you could never beat a near star pro deck with your lineup as you only have 2 star pros.

                          To be fair, your suggestion is what I thought CD would do without working it through and it worried me.

                          Thankfully they didn't.
                          Oh yeah, I wasn't saying I hope they do it. I really, really hope they don't. I was just trying to figure out a way to do it.

                          I think they recognize that being able to win +5 games is important. I personally wouldn't buy hot streaks unless I can win 90%+ of +5 games, and I usually hot streak every game.

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                          • etched Chaos
                            Pro
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 800

                            #14
                            Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

                            I do not see how anyone beyond those with the best cards in the game could ever win +5's with a 5/0 LU, the difficulty of those games in the way $D intends them is absurd. Making the guys you face be a tier above and then expecting someone to beat them with a 5/0 LU is madness. That's why the 3/2 LU's are so popular, because it evens the playing field, allowing everyone to win +5 games at an acceptable pace.

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                            • Rip4ever
                              Pro
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 679

                              #15
                              Re: 3/2 Nerf, when?

                              They do it by making +5 games slightly easier to win after the nerf.

                              If we are going to do 3/2 why have 5 cards at all? Then people would do 2/1. Let's just make it like war. Best card wins.



                              How about a balance bonus? Say the position bonus is doubled if your worst card is 50% of your best or better. Or 40% whatever number works to balance things. If RCs are harder so what, they are harder for everyone so it shouldn't matter. A dropping sea lowers all boats.
                              Last edited by Rip4ever; 04-06-2015, 10:19 PM.

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