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  • RubenDouglas
    Hall Of Fame
    • May 2003
    • 11202

    #166
    Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

    everything you said makes sense DX. my gripe is on the marketing front. commericals, websites... all this stuff comes out and people just inherently assume "ITS IN THE GAME since its in the commerical". People know extra content exists but when is that ever really the main selling point? Ea has crossed that line. I fear itll never be the same for consumers. I call it greed

    its the start of something very scary for us. EA is losing out??? they are making record profits annually

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    • freezeframe
      Pro
      • Jul 2005
      • 799

      #167
      Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

      Bad Move by EA Sports, This code nonsense thing is ridiculous and shouldnt be happening, these guys are greedy as a pig.If I want to take my copy to a friends house or if I my XBox breaks down I am screwed????? Not to mention what the other people said there are many reasons why EA shouldnt be allowed to do this and hopefully their sponsers (T-Mobile) get a bunch of flac for allowing them to do this shady buisness practice using their name!!

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      • Dynamite
        Rookie
        • Oct 2005
        • 250

        #168
        Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN

        Originally posted by jmood88
        They aren't charging for anything extra but Epic is including a code in new versions of Gears 2 that gives people extra maps and those maps won't be put up for sale. So you basically have to buy the game new or you won't be able to play on 5 maps.
        The difference is that Epic isn't going all out advertising these 5 maps (they're the most popular Gears 1 maps btw). Basically, if people are looking to do what a lot of people usually do (buy it used) then they have no other recourse than to fork over another 20 dollars if they want to use a huge feature that was widely advertised as in the game. This is similar, in my opinion, to having DRM on a feature that should be working out of the box. It's kind of sad, really.
        Our purchasing power is being eroded. So especially now, the goods must be held to a standard. We end up happier as consumers, and the companies get a clear message: "We won't tolerate sub-par goods." It's a shame, no one cares to speak with their wallet.

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        • bkrich83
          Has Been
          • Jul 2002
          • 71582

          #169
          Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

          Originally posted by freezeframe
          Bad Move by EA Sports, This code nonsense thing is ridiculous and shouldnt be happening, these guys are greedy as a pig.If I want to take my copy to a friends house or if I my XBox breaks down I am screwed????? Not to mention what the other people said there are many reasons why EA shouldnt be allowed to do this and hopefully their sponsers (T-Mobile) get a bunch of flac for allowing them to do this shady buisness practice using their name!!
          It's tied to your gamertag so you should be able to take it to a friends.

          Not sure how this is a shady business practice in any way shape or form. If you buy the game new, then this won't even affect you.
          Tracking my NCAA Coach Career

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          • Tengo Juego
            MVP
            • Dec 2007
            • 2524

            #170
            Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN

            You have got to be kidding me...Hey, I got to a store 3 weeks after Live 09 hits shelves, I've heard good things from friends and they say I should get it, I go to my local store and get a deal on the game "used." So I buy it for 55 bucks, I pop it in to get updated rosters, but wait...I have to pay 20 dollars? I already paid? WTF! This isn't fair.

            NOW, explain to me the marketing/business strategy in this? They're basically pulling more money out of my pocket. EA and T-mobile I'm sure are in no way struggling companies who need to charge MORE for this.

            You guys have got to stop defending EA on these things.

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            • SimBaller22
              Rookie
              • Jul 2008
              • 192

              #171
              Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN

              Originally posted by Tengo Juego
              You have got to be kidding me...Hey, I got to a store 3 weeks after Live 09 hits shelves, I've heard good things from friends and they say I should get it, I go to my local store and get a deal on the game "used." So I buy it for 55 bucks, I pop it in to get updated rosters, but wait...I have to pay 20 dollars? I already paid? WTF! This isn't fair.

              NOW, explain to me the marketing/business strategy in this? They're basically pulling more money out of my pocket. EA and T-mobile I'm sure are in no way struggling companies who need to charge MORE for this.

              You guys have got to stop defending EA on these things.


              so you rathern spend 55 on a used game then spend 5 exgtra on a brand new disc never been touch that comes with the free dna

              i understand getting a used game when it drops to like 25 but to 55 that is just cheap buddy.

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              • Glenn33
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 2455

                #172
                Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN

                Originally posted by SimBaller22
                so you rathern spend 55 on a used game then spend 5 exgtra on a brand new disc never been touch that comes with the free dna

                i understand getting a used game when it drops to like 25 but to 55 that is just cheap buddy.
                Co- sign. Why would you buy a a used game for only $5 less? I never do that.

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                • wurstman3000
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 82

                  #173
                  Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

                  ^^I think you guys don't get the point.
                  If you for whatever reason believe NBA Live is not worth full price but are willing to pay some less for a used copy (no matter if 5, 20 or whatever $ less) and you later find out that you don't get the heavily advertized feature for that, you are extremely pissed.

                  Do you believe there is a big red sticker on the cover informing about the whole thing? I doubt it.

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                  • dave374
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 1928

                    #174
                    Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

                    Originally posted by wurstman3000
                    ^^I think you guys don't get the point.
                    If you for whatever reason believe NBA Live is not worth full price but are willing to pay some less for a used copy (no matter if 5, 20 or whatever $ less) and you later find out that you don't get the heavily advertized feature for that, you are extremely pissed.

                    Do you believe there is a big red sticker on the cover informing about the whole thing? I doubt it.
                    I also think you don't get the point.

                    EA doesn't make a dime off used games ... why should they help Gamestop, EB, etc... make all the profits off their games?

                    This DNA thing is simply EA's way of trying to sell new games. Can you really blame them? They pour millions into development and then watch guys like that guy a few posts above buy a used game for $5 off, instead of the new game.

                    Yeah, EA makes millions, but isn't that the point of capitalism? EA is not in the charity business.

                    IMO, Live 09 is a pretty damned solid game this year and worth the purchase on day one. First time in years anyone could say about Live.

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                    • wurstman3000
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 82

                      #175
                      Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

                      Originally posted by dave374
                      EA doesn't make a dime off used games ...
                      How does a new copy become a used one? Right, someone buys it (there is EAs profit of that copy no matter what happens next with it) and decides to sell it. In other words: Why should they "make a dime off used games"? They already made their profit with the sold new copy of the then sold used game.
                      Originally posted by dave374
                      why should they help Gamestop, EB, etc... make all the profits off their games?

                      This DNA thing is simply EA's way of trying to sell new games. Can you really blame them? They pour millions into development and then watch guys like that guy a few posts above buy a used game for $5 off, instead of the new game.

                      Yeah, EA makes millions, but isn't that the point of capitalism? EA is not in the charity business.
                      That is right. EA looks into new ways to maximize their profits. They look into the used game market, see there are ways of gainig money and want to participate. The thing is, they effectively want to cash in multiple times on single copies. And again, I doubt most people will know about the lack of the feature when they buy it used.
                      About encouraging buying new copies instead of used one: That is a valid point, but it doesn't look like it, as EA doesn't communicate the whole thing enough to regular buyers (not us, who discuss about it on the net) and that leads me to think it's not encouraging buying new copies in the first place but cashing in from multiple times sold used copies and the surprised purchasers.
                      Last edited by wurstman3000; 10-05-2008, 02:50 AM.

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                      • ProjectRipCity
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 2395

                        #176
                        Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

                        Are you guys really surprised?
                        Last edited by ProjectRipCity; 10-05-2008, 05:34 AM.

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                        • Glenn33
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 2455

                          #177
                          Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

                          Originally posted by wurstman3000
                          ^^I think you guys don't get the point.
                          If you for whatever reason believe NBA Live is not worth full price but are willing to pay some less for a used copy (no matter if 5, 20 or whatever $ less) and you later find out that you don't get the heavily advertized feature for that, you are extremely pissed.

                          Do you believe there is a big red sticker on the cover informing about the whole thing? I doubt it.

                          1) You know ahead of time - so YOU get to make an informed decision. You shouldn't be pissed either way.
                          2) Thank our Lord that you have choices (Unlike football). Not trying to be a jerk - but if this seriously bothers you don't swweat it. Just enjoy the other titles and show your disaproval THAT way. But if you really want to enjoy NBA Live 09 to the "fullest" - $5 shouldn't stop you.

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                          • 2kjunkie
                            Rookie
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 308

                            #178
                            Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

                            Originally posted by Glenn33
                            1) You know ahead of time - so YOU get to make an informed decision. You shouldn't be pissed either way.
                            2) Thank our Lord that you have choices (Unlike football). Not trying to be a jerk - but if this seriously bothers you don't swweat it. Just enjoy the other titles and show your disaproval THAT way. But if you really want to enjoy NBA Live 09 to the "fullest" - $5 shouldn't stop you.
                            Us here at OS know ahead of time and maybe some others but do you think the casual gamer hyped by misleading ads will be able to make an informed decision?

                            What some of you guys not also realized is that this reduces the resale value of a gamer.

                            I am a gamer who usually finishes a title very quickly (not usually sports ones though) and resell my titles which I usually price for 49 bucks or thereabout.

                            Now with a $20 price tag for the main feature for anyone who buys it used, do you not think if I do decide to sell the game back I will have to bear this in mind and sell for cheaper than normal? This in itself is not really an issue either but what if I had pre-ordered the game not knowing about the cost of DNA having the very intention of reselling after say 3 months, wouldn't EA have just f*ucked me over but not letting me know before hand that the feature came with a cost for used
                            Last edited by 2kjunkie; 10-05-2008, 09:24 AM.

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                            • laforr77
                              Rookie
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 386

                              #179
                              Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

                              Originally posted by 2kjunkie
                              Us here at OS know ahead of time and maybe some others but do you think the casual gamer hyped by misleading ads will be able to make an informed decision?

                              What some of you guys not also realized is that this reduces the resale value of a gamer.

                              I am a gamer who usually finishes a title very quickly (not usually sports ones though) and resell my titles which I usually price for 49 bucks or thereabout.

                              Now with a $20 price tag for the main feature for anyone who buys it used, do you not think if I do decide to sell the game back I will have to bear this in mind and sell for cheaper than normal? This in itself is not really an issue either but what if I had pre-ordered the game not knowing about the cost of DNA having the very intention of reselling after say 3 months, wouldn't EA have just f*ucked me over but not letting me know before hand that the feature came with a cost for used
                              Every time you sell a used game, EA gets screwed over too. As has been mentioned a few times before, EA makes nothing off of the sales of used games. At least by charging for DNA, they can make a little money off of used sales (probably quite a bit of money actually). I really wouldn't be surprised if this started a trend in console gaming since the used game market hurts all publishers.

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                              • 2kjunkie
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                                • Jan 2008
                                • 308

                                #180
                                Re: DNA is $19.99 on PSN (For used copies)

                                Originally posted by laforr77
                                Every time you sell a used game, EA gets screwed over too. As has been mentioned a few times before, EA makes nothing off of the sales of used games. At least by charging for DNA, they can make a little money off of used sales (probably quite a bit of money actually). I really wouldn't be surprised if this started a trend in console gaming since the used game market hurts all publishers.
                                With all due respect this is a very narrow minded way to think of it.

                                EA might not make a buck of the sale of a used game but it certainly increases the consumers awareness of EA products which has the potential of increasing yearly sales.

                                Big companies don't or shouldn't just try to make the initial buck they try to sustain and and increase sales; companies which you see give away money to charity, they are not just giving it away they are improving their relations with consumers with the expectation that their good deed will yield greater customer loyalty, increase share in the market, etc.

                                Now let us use figures and examples here.

                                30 million copies of NBA Live 09 are sold which equates to say 30 million customers who are willing to spend on the game. Now let us say that 10 million of that 30 decide that the game is not for them and decide to resell which means that an additional 10 million persons have purchased the game in some way or form, bringing the total to 40 million persons willing to buy the game next year, let us stop the reselling of the game here and assume that the total 30 million who currently have the game like it and won't resell (which is highly unlikely which would result in more and more persons having bought the game whether new or used).

                                Now NBA Live 2010 comes out, EA just from my simple example stands to sell more games than it did last year simply because of the resale engine (used games) because as more and more persons get to play the game, more and more may decide hey I love this game I can't wait for next year.

                                There is also another element, with each new owner of the title who likes the game, they will also encourage their friends to buy - yowe man you need to get this game so we can play online, it is so sick. Now this friend might very well turn around and buy the game new or even if they buy it used, potentially for the next title they will buy it new.

                                I hope I made sense but I am simply trying to show the benefits of games being sold used to companies. Yes they won't be the ones making the initial buck but as long as the game is good, with the increase in customer interaction with the game should come an increase in loyal customers/potential buyers.

                                Develop a brand and your titles will sell.
                                Last edited by 2kjunkie; 10-05-2008, 10:16 AM.

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