How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

[bizcanos]

Re: How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

theyre going to patch it, should we continue to go on with the post up thing? itll be auto and manual... id say we should all be happy right now knowing that

Yeah, you're right. Time to move on...now if they would put in a defensive stance/body up button...

[CMH]

Re: How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

A.I. controlled Jamal should rarely attempt to post up. But if someone wants to do it, they should be able to. I dont see how that displeasing someone if you give post up a button. Is someone really that attached to the auto post?

Yeah, I'm kind of puzzled by the direction of the discussion at this point. We're just talking about players having the freedom to do what they want, but being constrained by the abilities of the players they choose to do those things with.


The people who really want to post up with Jamal can put it on rookie if they don't want realistic results.

theyre going to patch it, should we continue to go on with the post up thing? itll be auto and manual... id say we should all be happy right now knowing that

Hmm, I'm not even talking about the auto or manual button in the sense that the discussion began, really. I started talking about DNA and players moving and acting as they do in real life.

I brought up Crawford because my point was if Jamal doesn't post up and DNA tells him not to, then should there be a need for either a manual or automatic post up button? The discussion is over if gamers want to head into that direction.

So I compared the two. Do you want DNA to control most of these aspects of player movement and activity or do you want the user to control it?

As I said before, the more and more games move into sim, the more you have to realize that you are choosing either side. If you want an extremely sim game then you wouldn't ever have the option to post up with a guard taht doesn't post up. Even if you make the option manual, the button just won't work.

If you want more control, then you lose as much sim as you're willing to give up.

If that's confusing, let me know.

[Bornindamecca]

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So I compared the two. Do you want DNA to control most of these aspects of player movement and activity or do you want the user to control it?

As I said before, the more and more games move into sim, the more you have to realize that you are choosing either side. If you want an extremely sim game then you wouldn't ever have the option to post up with a guard taht doesn't post up. Even if you make the option manual, the button just won't work.

If you want more control, then you lose as much sim as you're willing to give up.

If that's confusing, let me know.

It's not confusing, I just disagree. In real life, Jamal CAN post up if he so chooses. If he gets an offensive rebound with Ty Lawson guarding him, he may very well do just that.

Now this situation isn't likely. It isn't going to occur regularly, but it is possible that Crawford would get a rebound, turn his back to protect the ball and throw a little hook over the shorter player. If a game claiming to be sim took this option away, the devs would be overstepping their boundaries. A simulation reflects the 80%(arbitrary number) of the time that the expected happens. But a true sim also accounts for that 20% of unexpected surprise that is responsible for the adage "that's why they play the games".

Freedom is not antithetical to simulation as long as the system gives an accurate approximation of the results of the choices that players make.

A simulation doesn't say "Jamal Crawford can't post up." A simulation says "if Jamal Crawford did post up, this is how it would play out."

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Re: How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

This thread wasn't even here to discuss the ai posting up but rather do we like the option of manually triggering it on the user side or not.

They said they'll give us both options, manual and the programmed option, which shouldve killed the discussion

Now we go into if dna should tell a player if he should post up or not...

That's probably where the initial confusion comes in... A person trying to figure out the above is going to have a hard time finding out what's going on

[oOausarOo]

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You should be able to post up with anyone because the user needs to have that control, but it should not be effective with players who are not strong in that area.

[RayDog253]

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You should be able to post up with anyone because the user needs to have that control, but it should not be effective with players who are not strong in that area.

You can post with anyone.

[oOausarOo]

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You can post with anyone.

In the demo you can not post up anyone, anywhere whenever you want to. That is what I'm referring to.

As an user I should be able to use Nate Robinson and initiate a post up 20 ft. from the basket. It just shouldn't be an effective strategy.

[CMH]

Re: How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

It's not confusing, I just disagree. In real life, Jamal CAN post up if he so chooses. If he gets an offensive rebound with Ty Lawson guarding him, he may very well do just that.

Now this situation isn't likely. It isn't going to occur regularly, but it is possible that Crawford would get a rebound, turn his back to protect the ball and throw a little hook over the shorter player. If a game claiming to be sim took this option away, the devs would be overstepping their boundaries. A simulation reflects the 80%(arbitrary number) of the time that the expected happens. But a true sim also accounts for that 20% of unexpected surprise that is responsible for the adage "that's why they play the games".

Freedom is not antithetical to simulation as long as the system gives an accurate approximation of the results of the choices that players make.

A simulation doesn't say "Jamal Crawford can't post up." A simulation says "if Jamal Crawford did post up, this is how it would play out."

You're saying what I'm saying.

I'm not saying Crawford won't ever post up. I'm saying if he doesn't ever, then he shouldn't. I'm just using an example. If DNA determined that he'd post up 5% of the time, then he will do that. If DNA took it a step further and said that if the defender is 5 inches shorter and Crawford is in the block, then he should post up 75% of the time. I don't know, just throwing arbitrary numbers out there.

This is all based on whether an auto post up was the direction that all basketball games headed. I would like to see auto post up based on the percentage of time a player would do that and have that based on several scenarios. DNA is supposed to be just the beginning of such a system.

[CMH]

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This thread wasn't even here to discuss the ai posting up but rather do we like the option of manually triggering it on the user side or not.

They said they'll give us both options, manual and the programmed option, which shouldve killed the discussion

Now we go into if dna should tell a player if he should post up or not...

That's probably where the initial confusion comes in... A person trying to figure out the above is going to have a hard time finding out what's going on

I hijack threads for a living. I also read the question: how do I feel about auto post up and I answered.

I don't mind it, so long as the system was more advanced and that would require that DNA was more advanced. That's what I'm talking about here.

I don't want to just say: I like it! I hope they keep it.

No, no. I'm going to voice my reasons why I like it and I'm going to suggest ways that it can be improved.

[RayDog253]

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I think you guys are looking at the "auto" part of it all wrong.

[CMH]

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I think you guys are looking at the "auto" part of it all wrong.

Well, there's me and then there's everyone else. So, who and what are you talking about exactly?

[ehh]

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Definitely would prefer to have a post up button.

[RayDog253]

Re: How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

Well, there's me and then there's everyone else. So, who and what are you talking about exactly?

No one in particular, it's just when I read some of the post they make it seem like you can't post up unless the game does it for you.

[dat swag]

Re: How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

Definitely would prefer to have a post up button.

This reminds me of the faction of gamers who vehemently opposed "quick passing" in Madden when EA finally eliminated the 2nd button tap to call up the passing icons.

IMO the Post up really isn't automatic because I can make it happen by trying to bang with a big...At the same time players just don't post up for no reason. In past Live iterations the post up button became an exploit because thats all people would do..Post and spin out of it for a dunk.

In the real NBA players on the perimeter who want to post go to the3 low block...make contact with their defender and post..OR they are being guarded very closely on the perimeter so they turn and protect the ball which often could end up with a guard backing his defender down to the paint.. Players just don't randomly turn their back and start posting..It just doesn't happen. When the ball goes to a big on the block the defender is gonna body up causing a post situation if thats what you want so I guess I just don't see the relevance of needing a button when you can get when you want it anyway.

I think the problem is anytime something unfamiliar is introduced people tend to not accept it as readily. Call it whatever you want but I'm happy with the way the system is now. I don't need another unnecessary button to tap.

[RayDog253]

Re: How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

This reminds me of the faction of gamers who vehemently opposed "quick passing" in Madden when EA finally eliminated the 2nd button tap to call up the passing icons.

IMO the Post up really isn't automatic because I can make it happen by trying to bang with a big...At the same time players just don't post up for no reason. In past Live iterations the post up button became an exploit because thats all people would do..Post and spin out of it for a dunk.

In the real NBA players on the perimeter who want to post go to the3 low block...make contact with their defender and post..OR they are being guarded very closely on the perimeter so they turn and protect the ball which often could end up with a guard backing his defender down to the paint.. Players just don't randomly turn their back and start posting..It just doesn't happen. When the ball goes to a big on the block the defender is gonna body up causing a post situation if thats what you want so I guess I just don't see the relevance of needing a button when you can get when you want it anyway.

I think the problem is anytime something unfamiliar is introduced people tend to not accept it as readily. Call it whatever you want but I'm happy with the way the system is now. I don't need another unnecessary button to tap.

Great post, I agree 100%.