How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

[Anaxamander]

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Live didn't have these last year either. All they had was the lock on, but your players would get in the D stance automatically. It's the same in Live 10 with out the lock on.

Wrong. Live 09 had both. Post up was LT and defensive stance was down on the right analog.

[joel0078]

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can someone post a copy of the link where beluba says this will be patched? I've looked around and don't see it. Thanks.

[RayDog253]

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Wrong. Live 09 had both. Post up was LT and defensive stance was down on the right analog.

Down on the right stick is to take a charge, and I forgot you could click in the right stick to post up. I guess it's because I never used it, lol. Left trigger is for the pick n roll.

Edit/update: Yeah players post up in Live 09 like they do in 10. You just slowly walk into the defender. So I guess I was right and wrong in that instance, since I forgot all about clicking in the right stick.

And your right, down would get them in D stance, right on the stick was for a charge.

[Admiral50]

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Auto post up is a huge fail and no defensive button is plain wrong.

[jordankobewade7]

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It's great that we got our post up control in...now we just need a defensive stance,cuz even tho that's automatic too,I still feel like I'm standing up straight chasing my man around sometimes. Its not that big of a deal,because it hasn't affected my play,still got 3wins Ina row on superstar difficulty using the lakers,but I feel like controlling the stance would allow me to further assert my defense. That, along with something that allows me to get up into the dribbler,n force a drive to the basket where I have help waiting. IMO there isn't really a way to effectively and efficiently use this defensive strategy...

[ILLSmak]

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I can live with the defensive thing... it sort of removes a lot of the humping. It seems that you can only body up with someone when they are driving hard at you. Otherwise, it's position. That's great for me. It will simulate real basketball. Sure it's HARDER, but I like it.

Seriously, you guys talk about THINGS THAT NEED TO BE PATCHED... please, please for the love of God add some way to post up. I've found that you can easily post up if you are off ball... but what if I want to back down?

But, on the other hand, I believe all of these changes including the auto-post up will transition perfectly to team play online. I just want the ability to do it while I am playing 1 on 1 or vs the computer.

I don't buy that you can press into someone lightly (when you have the ball.) I've tried a lot of stuff and the best I get is stripped.

Of course, devils advocate could say that posting up with the ball was gone from the nba awhile ago. But I would counter by saying if you have the ability to turn your back to the basket inside you can open up a whole nother level of moves.

This is a huge 'dropped the ball' issue, to me... almost as bad as lock on defense was for nba 2k. Please, please change it.

I am filled with ANGER when I read "we had other functions that we needed to map and post up drew the short straw." Come on... ALLEY OOP?

-Smak

[CMH]

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Now that I've played, I don't mind the lack of a post-up button. But, I can see why people want it and it should at least be an option to include. I just hope that the producers don't remove the automation of it or still give us the demo controller configuration as an option.

The defensive crouch...I'm glad it's gone, honestly. Like ILLSmak said, it's now about positioning and I find that to be 1. More realistic and 2. More fun.

[23]

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I'd rather have the post up option myself, but other than that I agree with you YP

[bizcanos]

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The defensive crouch...I'm glad it's gone, honestly. Like ILLSmak said, it's now about positioning and I find that to be 1. More realistic and 2. More fun.

I disagree. There is alot of contact when playing defense. People just don't run around trying to position themselves to stop the players path. Defenders use their hands & arms all the time. A defensive stance/crouch is a part of basketball. Not only are we taught to have very good footwork but you have to use your upper body. I feel Like on Live it's all about the footwork but they forgot the upper body.

I also think it's more fun and challenging but in my opinion it's not realistic. It's as if to make the cpu good on offense they had to take defensive tools away from the user.

[RayDog253]

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I disagree. There is alot of contact when playing defense. People just don't run around trying to position themselves to stop the players path. Defenders use their hands & arms all the time. A defensive stance/crouch is a part of basketball. Not only are we taught to have very good footwork but you have to use your upper body. I feel Like on Live it's all about the footwork but they forgot the upper body.

I also think it's more fun and challenging but in my opinion it's not realistic. It's as if to make the cpu good on offense they had to take defensive tools away from the user.

I thought it was "play D with your feet not your hands"?

Edit: BTW, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing just saying.

[teewee]

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Just want to get opinions here. I have already said how I feel. I just want to know if you like it or dislike it.

UPDATED 9/17
Ok, after playing the crap out of this demo I have come to 3 conclusions. The first 2 points are from a user standpoint and the last is about the cpu.

USER
1. After playing I have mastered posting up in the paint. Why, because bodies are bunched up and it's easy to be bodied up against a defender to initiate that contact for the post up. Posting up in the lane is no problem for me. The only concern is the moves you can do in the paint appear to be limted...

2. Posting up outside the lane is a somewhat of a problem. I can still do it but here's my observation. Because I am outside the lane the chance of me being bodied up by the defender decreases. Since there is no post up button, if I do not have that body to body contact I cannot post up. The problem with that is (for the sim heads/people who really watch ball) that many players initiate the post position before any contact. Meaning, for example, Kobe will turn around into the position and he would initiate contact w/the defender instead of the defender having to body him up first. Outside of the paint, getting into the post position depends on defender contact instead of me choosing to do it and the defender reacts to me. The way it is now, I have to search for a defender to come in contact with in order to "activate" the post up move. You should be able to play w/your back to the basket when you want to. Whether it's to initiate a post move that leads to a shot or just to post to get a better position or to protect the rock. I just don't like it.

But that being said, I have gotten the hang of it for the most part...

CPU
Which leads me to the cpu play and why this game, at this point (maybe could be fixed w/sliders) does not play like real basketball...

***This also ties in with the lack of a defensive stance button. So when playing defense the user can't body up the cpu. This leads to no auto post up by the cpu i.e. no fadeaways or other moves off the post position outside of the paint.***

3. Outside of the paint I have yet and I mean not once seen the cpu initiate a post up position. My guess, is that because of the auto post up needed to be activated by contact and there is really no way for the user to do that on defense, the cpu cannot do it. Maybe I am doing something wrong on defense, but it just takes away from the realism aspect of the game. I mean the only thing that differentiates Kobe from Fisher is that Kobe shoots and scores more. So everyone has turned into a straight up jump shooter and slasher. No fadeaways at all. I mean fadeways off the post position are such a huge part of Kobe's game but they are not in this game. Artest and Odom (more so Artest) do alot of their moves off of a post position but not here, Artest all he does is shoot jumpers on me. Again, maybe I am doing something wrong or maybe sliders can fix this. But my definition of a sim, is not having all cpu players outside of the paint only shoot straight jumpers and drive the lane w/out ever having their back to the basket.

Just my observation.

what are you all talking about? the postup button is the right trigger the same as speed burst but its postup in the paint duh.

[bizcanos]

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I thought it was "play D with your feet not your hands"?

Edit: BTW, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing just saying.

I never said it wasn't...but if you only played "D" with your feet you would not be a very good defender. If you ever watched Bowen or Artest now...they use their hands alot.

[bizcanos]

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what are you all talking about? the postup button is the right trigger the same as speed burst but its postup in the paint duh.

From Beluba the guy who helped make the game...

the only reason it was removed was because we had more important features planned with the other buttons -- and we basically ran out. if anyone has any suggestions for a manual backdown, i'm all ears. I have an idea for next year's game, but it will require a more significant overhaul of the control scheme that would be out of scope for a patch.

Please don't post on here unless you have your facts straight. You would know this if you've actually played the demo. To help you out when you do play, it's the Left Stick on the 360.

[jordankobewade7]

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I disagree. There is alot of contact when playing defense. People just don't run around trying to position themselves to stop the players path. Defenders use their hands & arms all the time. A defensive stance/crouch is a part of basketball. Not only are we taught to have very good footwork but you have to use your upper body. I feel Like on Live it's all about the footwork but they forgot the upper body.

I also think it's more fun and challenging but in my opinion it's not realistic. It's as if to make the cpu good on offense they had to take defensive tools away from the user.

I totally n fully agree with u here. I play basketball and he's exactly right here,I played all thru HS and when u play organized u are taught to play this way...and it's the same in the NBA. How could u guys b ok with chasing ur man around trying to stay in front of him?? That's so not basketball, so like I said I totally agree with biz on this one. I want real basketball down to the fundamentals, which includes having a defensive stance IMO.

[rawdog805]

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Love the new turbo dribble animation.. But not really feeling this years demo for some reason.. Guess I just gotta get used to the game..

Also why in the world would the triangle be dedicated to the alley-oop, instead of a pro hop or better yet a post up???

Ohh and another thing thats driving me crazy is the IN AIR COLLISION occurs way too much, and I cant find the slider for it.. the only one I see is In air collision FOUL Frequency slider...