Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

[randombrother]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

I just finished completely vegging out today on Live 10. I put alot of hours in today and I ended the same way I started. I love this game. Best representation of basketball IMO. I think one of the underrated but most beautifully things implemented in this game is momentum. They have it just right if you ask me and I hope they don't break it next year.

I really like how you can implement a strategy to win and see it work, also see it go to hell and then try to come up with another strategy while there's still hope. Can the game use some polish? Certainly. But this game has a soul and I hope they don't change the soul of the game for $$$$ and sales.

[Court_vision]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

One thing I think really needs to be looked at is some sort of "Responsive AI".

I.e. respond to the situation. Other games have this, so LIVE should be able to do it.

Example:

LA runs a play for D-Fish to take a 3 ball from the top of the key.

I see the play forming (pretty obvious once you play a while)...so I send two big guards over to D-Fish.

Once he recieves the ball...he now has two bigger guards in his face.

And he still takes the shot. This is because LIVE is way too reliant on what the play calls for / NOT what's happening on the court. It's a large reason a lot of it feels scripted / pre-determined.

In other games...in that situation, D-Fish would see the double and feed it to an open post guy or pass to an open shooter.

In LIVE...whatever that play was, that's what's going to happen 99% of the time regardless of what the user does on D.

[Behindshadows]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

I've never in my 100 games seen a player still take a shot in a double team. Only time that should even happen is to throw it up to prevent a shot clock violation.

But D. Fisher doubled and still taking the shot, never seen it happen, not even once.

I've read through about 20 post and haven't seen half the stuff people are complaining about. And I'm playing on 12 min quarter, default settings. I even got dozens of Videos in my Arena from Youtube and you'll never see the A.I. so stuff like that.

Post-Patch and out the box. Live 10 is the most complete simulation of basketball on the court. If they can add a better presentation, new commentators, and more features and more options in Dynasty mode, D-League, etc. Live 11 would be unstoppable.

Also fine a guys who can do better player faces, this season they were amazing, but small details like eye brows, nose placement and forehead shape, made a lot of guys just look weird. Overall Live 10 is an amazing game, wouldn't substitute it with anything else out right now.

Live 11, can only go up from here.

BTW!!! This game online is perfect! Sim lobby for the win!

[Court_vision]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

Shadows...I am talking about a second defender coming over, both of them now in his face.

Not a lock up double team.

Half the time I can block that J even with one guy...as the play is so scripted that I can see it coming a mile off. The game needs to 'react'. When I've got two big defenders in his face, he shouldn't shoot.

Try this...put a 5 foot PG on Shaq...and watch the CPU AI never notice the mis match.

This is what I mean by implement "reactive AI"...not just scripted stuff. (a balance would be ideal)

And, yes, I know you've got videos up...and i know all the stuff other people have seen aren't in your copy of the game. You also jumped on people the moment the O/T glitch was revealed and said "there is NO O/T GLITCH! LOOK AT MY VIDEOS! WOW, ALL THESE GUYS ARE LYING! THERE IS NO BUG!"

And then the producers said there was a bug...LOL.

Not sure why you want to defend every single thing about this game + refute every criticism. Blind faith helps no one long term man.

I'd like you to read edubbs post and try and tell me you've honestly not seen any of the issues he raises.

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Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

Alot of issues are there man, sometimes I just cut the game off

Other times the game plays pretty good but it still has a ways to go

I think the foundation was built wrong, and thats why guys rebound with crooked arms, jump up and swing in wonky directions for blocks, the player models still need much work and their frames are completely flawed.

I still get games in but man, this game could be so much better. Its so imbalanced vs the CPU its not funny

[Behindshadows]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

Shadows...I am talking about a second defender coming over, both of them now in his face.

Not a lock up double team.

Half the time I can block that J even with one guy...as the play is so scripted that I can see it coming a mile off. The game needs to 'react'. When I've got two big defenders in his face, he shouldn't shoot.

Try this...put a 5 foot PG on Shaq...and watch the CPU AI never notice the mis match.

This is what I mean by implement "reactive AI"...not just scripted stuff. (a balance would be ideal)

And, yes, I know you've got videos up...and i know all the stuff other people have seen aren't in your copy of the game. You also jumped on people the moment the O/T glitch was revealed and said "there is NO O/T GLITCH! LOOK AT MY VIDEOS! WOW, ALL THESE GUYS ARE LYING! THERE IS NO BUG!"

And then the producers said there was a bug...LOL.

Not sure why you want to defend every single thing about this game + refute every criticism. Blind faith helps no one long term man.

I'd like you to read edubbs post and try and tell me you've honestly not seen any of the issues he raises.

You right I did jump on everyone about the OT Glitch, because I never experience it period! But when I heard it was caused by the goaltending thing, I noticed on a few plays that I did see the points not being added. So that I saw with my own eyes.

Only time I see a doubling issue in this game is when you throw to the Center or PF in the paint and they sometimes double too much! But out on the perimeter I've yet to see that, and definitely have never seen the cpu A.I. toss up a shot during a double team. Lock down or not!

But then again, I got my EA blinders on, better take them off before I go back to editing my College Hoops rosters! lol

All I'm saying, not having these issues, but I've noticed that you and a couple of other guys, continue to create these threads, pointing out things people don't notice or see, until you post about it 100 times and then they start to look for them.

All I'm saying is the game is fun, and it's good. Final patch is out, nothing else you can do about whatever is wrong with it, why keep posting constant threads on how you like 30% of it and 70% of it is flawed.

Some of us, are enjoying it for what it's worth. I think the other game is flawed as hell too, but I still love Association and D-League! But I've yet to create 30 plus threads on all the things I see wrong with it! Why distract other people who are enjoying it!

[Court_vision]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

Why distract other people who are enjoying it!

I think I've made about a dozen positive threads on LIVE 10...you've joined absolutely none of those.

Every negative one though or one "you" see as negative...there you are jumping in calling out everyone.

I am not going to bother with your "EA blinker" comment...suffice to say that's likely some sort of subliminal thing on your own part.

Why distract people? Ummm...hate to tell you this my friend, but you don't have to read these posts. You may or may not have noticed, but the LIVE forum is pretty much a ghost town nowadays and I was just trying to get a 'final thoughts' on it from some of the hard core guys who are still around. The thread has positives and negatives.

If you're enjoying the game...all power to you. Other people maybe want to put in what they are not enjoying / why they gave up on it in the hope 11 will be better.

I am enjoying 2K10 a lot and absolutely none of your comments about you not liking it bother me even in the slightest. So, not sure why mine or anyone elses comments should "distract" your enjoyment. Water off a ducks back and all that...

There's a million things more important in the world than us debating basketball video games. Anyone who loses their enjoyment over other people's commments / only gets enjoyment if everyone else agrees......probably needs a bigger perspective.

Glad you are enjoying it. I'd be interested in your take on edubbs post, as he voices what a lot of us are thinking about the game. Ignore it if you want though.

[Behindshadows]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

I think I've made about a dozen positive threads on LIVE 10...you've joined absolutely none of those.

Every negative one though or one "you" see as negative...there you are jumping in calling out everyone.

I am not going to bother with your "EA blinker" comment...suffice to say that's likely some sort of subliminal thing on your own part.

Why distract people? Ummm...hate to tell you this my friend, but you don't have to read these posts. You may or may not have noticed, but the LIVE forum is pretty much a ghost town nowadays and I was just trying to get a 'final thoughts' on it from some of the hard core guys who are still around. The thread has positives and negatives.

If you're enjoying the game...all power to you. Other people maybe want to put in what they are not enjoying / why they gave up on it in the hope 11 will be better.

I am enjoying 2K10 a lot and absolutely none of your comments about you not liking it bother me even in the slightest. So, not sure why mine or anyone elses comments should "distract" your enjoyment. Water off a ducks back and all that...

There's a million things more important in the world than us debating basketball video games. Anyone who loses their enjoyment over other people's commments / only gets enjoyment if everyone else agrees......probably needs a bigger perspective.

Glad you are enjoying it. I'd be interested in your take on edubbs post, as he voices what a lot of us are thinking about the game. Ignore it if you want though.

edubbs post was his opinion and he doesn't post often. One thing I agree with him is the rebounding is an issue! As far as the playcalling, etc. You can edit to your liking, no one knows what the real NBA Playbooks are, so we can't argue on that subject or debate.

He doesn't like some of the A.I decisions etc on open players and things like that. I agree with him. Seems to be fixed in NCAA BB 10, but Live A.I. logic to pass on open players is hit and miss, sometimes it's perfect and other teams just don't do it.

Plus I've yet to see either game, including Live 10, where the A.I. recognizes late game urgency. That needs to be implemented next season. Also no one can argue that fastbreak points are in multiple ways, you have a steal and a break away, you have a push down court, etc. But 2k10 is fastbreak central I get it, but Live 10 has a balance. Since the final patch, you get fastbreaks, just not often as should be. But it's there, I think in Live 11 it should be amplified. There is so much you can patch in a game, that isn't designed to do so in the beginning.

Either way to each their own. While your enjoying 2k10. I'm enjoying them both for what they are worth! Even in my largest frustration with either one, I won't post here about it. It is what it is!

[Pared]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

In my opinion Live 10 is a great foundation for Basketball greatness. That's where it ends.

That's the best way to surmise it, IMO. Short and to the point.

Honestly whats not realistic is when Shaq is dunking and Im Mike Conley and i stand under the rim ad Shaq does some weird animation and misses the lay up because Conley was there. I understand if its G against G or pf against pf but If bosh is trying to dunk on tj ford and cant.....Thats unrealistic!! Period.

Ea has to learn that if something is unrealistic you have to take it out of the game. Too many times have a seen Kobe get his dunks blocked by guards. His dunks almost never get blocked but they do in Live. How many times will I see the opposing C come across my guards body and steal the ball?? 1st thats a foul....but that would NEVER happen. C's don't have the agility to do something like that.

Like a few posters above said.....I think its the engine and I dont think live will ever change. Players have been moving out of bounds for years. Animations have sucked for years. Everything that i hated about live 09 is still in 10 excluding dribbling and a few other things. Only if the other game could get dribbling together.

While you make a good point in the first paragraph, you next points don't work. Just because Kobe "rarely gets blocked in real life" or whatever, doesn't mean it should happen that way in the game. Sure, he should be blocked less often, but YOU are in control of the player. If you act like an idiot with a star player, the game shouldn't just compensate because you're controlling a star player. That's what I'm reading from what you wrote, and that's terrible game design.

I've never in my 100 games seen... Live 10 is the most complete simulation of basketball on the court.

Yeah, we know. Game is perfect and doesn't have issues. PLEASE.

If this company listens to you, they'd run this series into the ground.

There's a lot missing from this game. I'm hoping much of it gets addressed because the foundation is there.

[Behindshadows]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

Yeah, we know. Game is perfect and doesn't have issues. PLEASE.

If this company listens to you, they'd run this series into the ground.

There's a lot missing from this game. I'm hoping much of it gets addressed because the foundation is there.

Perfect? Ha! I knew you'd come in sooner or later with your smart comments. And try to re word everything like your the only person on OS with logic.

Never said the game was perfect, it has many quirks, none that are just game killers. And definitely none that are worth ranting about over and over again. As this thread was about, your final thoughts and then everyone gave a thought, and if it was said," to be liked or enjoyed". Everyone would overlap their so called final thought with more opinions.

It's like some of us just can't like the game, because people will still come in and say," yeah but it doesn't do this and and this occurs, etc". When some of us don't see it, or don't care enough to let it drown out the fun we are having with the game.

It's not perfect, and definitely far from it. Yeah their are animations that need to be added in some instances that we need them. Yeah the commentary is annoying as hell," I mean Marv, call a timeout on OS".

The fouling is ridiculous in the paint, contact fouls that is! A.I. decision making is hit and miss, some games nothing goes wrong, some others it does. Dynasty mode is too simple at times and nothing really drawing you in to keep playing it, That's why I only play Dynamic Season. Nothing wrong with it.

My final thought is, after the final patch, the game is fine to me, it's not the all of be all of terrible basketball games. It's not a beta, lol! It's not incomplete! As some of the people put it.

Can it be improved, heck yes it can in 100's of areas. But for what these guys changed in the series in a 10 month period of full dev time with each other. It came out better than expected. I guess I'm the only one that sees that as a positive, instead of always seeking out the negative.

Rather you want to admit it, when EA games are released they are put under a microscope and a knife on day one. No other title or titles gets that type of attention and gets put on blast.

I wish people would put more emphasis on seeking out good things about it, instead of always trying to write up 100's of negatives, I think the positives this season, easily out weigh the negatives. This game is good, it might not reach everyone's expectations, but to some us, it's fine for what it is, and definitely better, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better! Than Live 06,07,08, and 09 combined!

[Pared]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

You're damn right I'm going to say something.

Every time there is a discussion going on regarding anything even SLIGHTLY negative, you chime in with "I don't see it" or "I wish people would stop making stuff up." As CV mentioned, the OT glitch. Nothing here was even close to overly negative, but simply a discussion on what guys would like to see addressed next year.

You make a claim how this is "the most complete simulation of basketball" then follow it up with an essay on all of its negatives... on the court.

Then you throw in the fact that you have every 2k game ever made... or how because you spend a ridiculous amount of time renaming digital players on College Hoops you're not an EA lover, 2k blinder, real bias/unbias gamer or any other ridiculous little catch phrase people enjoy using.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Can you stop the preaching? I don't think anyone really takes your opinion seriously the more you post. There are individuals who would like to see this game progress, and your comments do the exact opposite. I sincerely hope EA does not follow your posts. This series needs genuine help and you offer nothing but joyous praise and kumbaya's.

Hopefully they continue to build on what's there. But they really need to address the issues or else we're going to be discussing the same things once again, much like the fastbreaks, rebounding, etc.

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Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

Shadows

In all honesty man, if you're enjoying the game, no post made by CV is going to destroy that enjoyment.

I think its dandy that people are giving their final thoughts instead of making more smashfest, vs, comparison threads over and over.

We've had 2 patches and alot of DNA updates. Was that enough to hold people with what was done this year? Its a good question to ask.

At this point you see clearly what needs to be done in many areas. Its not a matter if a person doesnt see it or not, its about whats making people stay away. If you build it they will come, comes to mind.

CV started a lets talk about the positives thread and not alot of people chimed in it. Probably because they were all too frustrated with how it was at the time and gave up. Thats not the kind of thing you want to see a couple of months down the line

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

i have never seen a thread like this over there.

i think live is held to a different standard, i know 10+ dudes dedicated to editing and tweaking and fixing tendencies and rosters most of the community does not even use anything default over there

YET ON THE LIVE BOARDS WE BASH AND BASH and make more threads to bash

that the most disappointing thing about live 10, the community has either left or lost hope, anytime i have a problem over there i have dudes coming out left and right with solutions and ideas, here its the cynical LIVE SUCKS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE FOR " NEXT YEAR"

i know some like dynamic season but there is another game hiding on the disk, why over here we are not looking to help ourselves.

I ASK AGAIN we can share rosters also why are we not fixing and sharing and trying to help ourselves.

[randombrother]

Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

i have never seen a thread like this over there.

i think live is held to a different standard, i know 10+ dudes dedicated to editing and tweaking and fixing tendencies and rosters most of the community does not even use anything default over there

YET ON THE LIVE BOARDS WE BASH AND BASH and make more threads to bash

that the most disappointing thing about live 10, the community has either left or lost hope, anytime i have a problem over there i have dudes coming out left and right with solutions and ideas, here its the cynical LIVE SUCKS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE FOR " NEXT YEAR"

i know some like dynamic season but there is another game hiding on the disk, why over here we are not looking to help ourselves.

I ASK AGAIN we can share rosters also why are we not fixing and sharing and trying to help ourselves.

I definitely feel you on this one though. I got hard core 2K fans on my friendslist who jab at me for playing Live but they've all had come out and admit certain things wrong with the game yet when you hit those forums you'd think the game walked on water. Meanwhile this "POS" game I'm playing that's the lowest of the low has been giving me HOURS of enjoyment. I'll be playing this game till Live 11 drops.

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Re: Your final thoughts on LIVE 10?

There is a shorter rope here simply because this series had been taking a turn for the worst in the past on Nex gen from the beginning.

Saying this game is incomplete is wrong...Live 06 was incomplete, but not Live 10.

In a sense I think alot of people want this series to pull through, but its just not happening, because there is a standard set and they arent quite hitting the mark.

I asked someone about that very thing and he said to me that it bothers people more because they are so close.

Maybe thats true, maybe its not, but there are alot of things you cannot do, or im sure people would be editing away. The limitations in differentiating players for one makes it hard.