Suction, Control, and Animations

[Dawgthem]

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Nothing except the 3 years of enjoyment playing it, the discussions and back and forth on these forums in terms of what to improve and how to do it, possibly the opportunity to establish your team in the EASBA.

But you're right, you could wait. And that's your choice.

It's the case with every sports game (I wasn't referring specifically to 2K, but to all sports games that release every year).

I See where the other guys is coming from and I myself will pick it up also. Reanimator i will say that i thank you for being active with the community discussing with us. Thats one thing you guys do better then most game companies with any sport..You guys are right there for us to ask questions

[shadowgrin]

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You got balls rEAnimator.
Does the PR department know about the things you posted here?

This simple answer is enough for me.

But you're right, you could wait. And that's your choice.

[rEAnimator]

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You got balls rEAnimator.
Does the PR department know about the things you posted here?

This simple answer is enough for me.

LOL, no they don't.

Let's try and keep it that way

[JWiLL02]

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No seriously, I still don't get it. Why the LOL? How is having a plan and direction for the future a bad thing.

I'm not saying it's something that should go on the back of the box or anything like that.

But how is it a bad thing?

It's just tough for many of us to justify paying full price for a game that's even you guys admit is going to be lacking in key areas, especially when you're competition is set to release their most complete game to date at the same price point.

I just don't see how the promise of a quality title in the future is any incentive to buy this year, which is what your original statement came across as. Maybe you simply worded it wrong.

Your honesty with this title is refreshing though, I think we're all going into the demo with an open mind. Appreciate it.

[bamalam]

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Why would you have a problem paying full price for a game that has a plan for the future?

That seems like a positive to me.

If we had no plan for the future wouldn't that be concerning? Wouldn't you be less likely to invest your time into something that didn't have a clear direction set?

while i will give your demo a fair try, this is spin city.


you would succeed in politics if ea doent keep you guys around for the 3 yr plan.

it appears elite is definately a wip + nba jam, and your response is admirable, but weak.


the problem paying full price for a game with a plan for the future is that presently, the game is not a completed game.

3 yr plan by definition=incomplete this yr=not worth $60

[RayDog253]

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It's more about your justification that people should spend $60 for a game NOW that's based on the premise that it will improve in the future.



Unless I misconstrued your post, then I stand corrected.

Wait, What???

This makes no sense.

So you're telling me you didn't buy the First two Halo's or any of the COD's until MW2, or the first two Gears of War's(I play a lot of FPS)?

Just cause a game will improve in the future shouldn't stop anyone from playing or purchasing it.

Not buying a game cause it might Improve in the future makes no sense what so ever.

[Dawgthem]

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Wait, What???

This makes no sense.

So you're telling me you didn't buy the First two Halo's or any of the COD's until MW2, or the first two Gears of War's(I play a lot of FPS)?

Just cause a game will improve in the future shouldn't stop anyone from playing or purchasing it.

Not buying a game cause it might Improve in the future makes no sense what so ever.

....................WRONG first off CLiffy B after every gears of war never said there would be a sequal YOUTUBE it and you'll see he denies it like his own AUnt harrel every time COD's call of duties were worth buying because each one was a two year process MW was a two year development and MW2 was a two year development........................ELITE CHANGED ITS NAME AND INTRODUCED A NEW PHYSICS all in one ............year

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Who cares about other games, this is not gears of war or Halo

Its like Kobe Bryant fans who keeps using MJ as an excuse to dismiss his failures.

It doesnt even make any sense, this is a basketball game not a FPS, and I dont want to hear about how its okay to keep comparing this game to some other genre that hasnt released flops for 5 years plus in a row then claim revolution

Im not against them in the sense that they have a direction chosen, but some of this stuff is ridiculous man and its just sad. How many times can you keep excusing things over and over that need no excuse?

No other mainstream game has suffered as much as this game on nex gen
At some point

You've never seen any of those companies pull this kind of madness off. You've never seen a game in the like of NBA Live 07, and frankly its enough

If you cannot see the long time fanbase even including PastaPadre utterly disappointed then I dont know what else to tell you.

[mrprice33]

This post is um.... special.
Anyway, pretty much every game is built on whatever has come before it. Obviously Bungie has learned from the first 4 halos in making reach. Does that mean Halo 2, for example, was incomplete?

....................WRONG first off CLiffy B after every gears of war never said there would be a sequal YOUTUBE it and you'll see he denies it like his own AUnt harrel every time COD's call of duties were worth buying because each one was a two year process MW was a two year development and MW2 was a two year development........................ELITE CHANGED ITS NAME AND INTRODUCED A NEW PHYSICS all in one ............year

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You guys are going off topic

[shadowgrin]

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Wait, What???

This makes no sense.

So you're telling me you didn't buy the First two Halo's or any of the COD's until MW2, or the first two Gears of War's(I play a lot of FPS)?

Just cause a game will improve in the future shouldn't stop anyone from playing or purchasing it.

Not buying a game cause it might Improve in the future makes no sense what so ever.

It has more to do with the devs admitting and everyone knowing that this year's game isn't going to be that 'complete' (graphically, eye candy, etc.) in accordance to what they are planning (though it is still a game that can stand on its own as they say) but rather the first step in a 3 year plan.

So why buy now when the consumers can just wait for the game that the devs completely envision it to be.

To which, the consumers have the option of waiting for it or not.

[RayDog253]

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....................WRONG first off CLiffy B after every gears of war never said there would be a sequal YOUTUBE it and you'll see he denies it like his own AUnt harrel every time COD's call of duties were worth buying because each one was a two year process MW was a two year development and MW2 was a two year development........................ELITE CHANGED ITS NAME AND INTRODUCED A NEW PHYSICS all in one ............year

Okay, you didn't really disprove my point. And it's been known for the longest that Gears would be a trilogy, and you'd be stupid if you didn't think it would have a sequel.

And maybe you're right about Elite only having 1 year and those games having more.

But my point is just cause a game could improve shouldn't stop anyone from buying the game.

Nobody would be buying anything if everyone thought that way. Whether it was Shoes, movies, Games, cars I mean whatever. Because everything could eventually become better.

How about we just all stop purchasing Items until they're completely Perfect and can no Longer be improved.

I mean there are definitely other reasons not to buy Elite, But I don't think the game improving in the future is one of them. But hey, what do I know right.

[WTF]

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Who cares about other games, this is not gears of war or Halo

Its like Kobe Bryant fans who keeps using MJ as an excuse to dismiss his failures.

It doesnt even make any sense, this is a basketball game not a FPS, and I dont want to hear about how its okay to keep comparing this game to some other genre that hasnt released flops for 5 years plus in a row then claim revolution

Im not against them in the sense that they have a direction chosen, but some of this stuff is ridiculous man and its just sad. How many times can you keep excusing things over and over that need no excuse?

No other mainstream game has suffered as much as this game on nex gen
At some point

You've never seen any of those companies pull this kind of madness off. You've never seen a game in the like of NBA Live 07, and frankly its enough

If you cannot see the long time fanbase even including PastaPadre utterly disappointed then I dont know what else to tell you.

This is very well said. When those guys who have defended Live and EA to the point of borderline homering, see that enough is enough, that's saying something.

I've never seen so many incomplete games and unneeded reboots. New features, removing features... new features, removing features... reintroducing first features as new features, removing current features. Where is it going to end?

An NBA simulation without injuries is not an NBA simulation. It's getting old hearing that it's a complete game, and can stand on it's own merit, when it's obvious it's not, and won't be.

It's disheartening to those of us who have put our faith in the game for the past 6 years, and come up with a lackluster unfinished product, with the promise of "next year". If you have a 3 yr plan, take 2 yrs off, implement everything, and release a finished game. I'm through paying for a "base game" of a 3 yr title.

I'd rather play a title that started with a good base, added a sturdy feature, and you still see that feature in the game, and has continued adding to it year after year.

I'm just ticked off today.

[RayDog253]

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Who cares about other games, this is not gears of war or Halo

Its like Kobe Bryant fans who keeps using MJ as an excuse to dismiss his failures.

It doesnt even make any sense, this is a basketball game not a FPS, and I dont want to hear about how its okay to keep comparing this game to some other genre that hasnt released flops for 5 years plus in a row then claim revolution

Im not against them in the sense that they have a direction chosen, but some of this stuff is ridiculous man and its just sad. How many times can you keep excusing things over and over that need no excuse?

No other mainstream game has suffered as much as this game on nex gen
At some point

You've never seen any of those companies pull this kind of madness off. You've never seen a game in the like of NBA Live 07, and frankly its enough

If you cannot see the long time fanbase even including PastaPadre utterly disappointed then I dont know what else to tell you.

It's a video game and I was trying to use the more popular one's as an example.

I could of used movies or any other type of entertainment as an example but seeing as we're in a gaming forum I used games.

I nev...... lol it's not even worth it.

Man, I Don't even know what to say anymore. I get the whole Key features missing, that was in previous installments part of it. But saying you're not going to buy a game just because a Developer has came out and said there will be a 3 year plan makes no sense.

The developer has said time and time again that this is far from an unfinished game. Yes there are fundamental things that could/will improve in the future but that alone shouldn't stop you from buying it this year.

I'll just leave it at that. And I'm fine if everyone disagrees.

[shadowgrin]

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To make this more clear here's the original quote...

Why would you have a problem paying full price for a game that has a plan for the future?

That seems like a positive to me.

If we had no plan for the future wouldn't that be concerning? Wouldn't you be less likely to invest your time into something that didn't have a clear direction set?

I (and maybe others) took it that Elite 11 should be bought on the merit that it will improve in future releases.

To put it this way...it's like buying a current model car now for the reason that the newer model will be better.
Doesn't make sense no?

You buy the current model because of the features it offers that you get to enjoy now and not because of what the newer and improved model might possibly give you when it's released (which you haven't even bought yet).

To which rEAnimator replied that this year's game is good based on its own merit and that we have the option whether to buy it or wait for the better and improved game.