A 3 Year Plan (LONG read)

[mlp111]

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i have a question for the dev but if anyone knows the answer feel free to reply but when a company changes plans like with what elite is doing, what madden did a couple years ago, and so forth; is it guys like rea, step6, and the devs decision, or is it the suits and guys upstairs decision, is it everyone combined decision, or mostly the guys upstairs but the devs have a little say so in it?
And mrprince-oct.9

i believe its the guys in suits upstairs decision, i believe their direction is the most important or carries the most weight, there the money guys so their say so is what gets things done or undone

[PRAY IV M3RCY]

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Yeah a good designer is a good designer but if you aren't a basketball guy it doesn't matter. Part of the reason for the other guy's success is because they have, top to bottom guys that eat, sleep and breathe basketball. You can't just take guys with talent and throw them on something out of they're area of expertise and say they'll have the same success. Not saying Elite doesn't have guys there that eat, sleep and breathe hoops, but THE guy on they're game doesn't and you're basically saying because he turned around NHL he's going to do the same to basketball. It's not that easy. Scott Boras is one of the best agents in baseball (even if guys hate him) doesn't mean he can just turn to basketball and football and have the same success working owners in those sports and the contracts and caps and whatnot.

And don't go there trying to make it seem like people are calling Live the GOAT in these topics. People simply said that Live 10 was the best of the Live series thus far on next gen (obviously not saying much). The game took the most steps in the right direction than any bball offering they've put out recently. This isn't anywhere like as bad as the sudden animations are evil posts that started showing up everywhere around here. No one is calling Live 10 the GOAT and it's a fantastic reach for you to even try to make the suggestion that that's what's going on here.

i thought you would have used the Jordan trying to play baseball example, but still good.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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EA has a history of yoyoing.

It started with Madden 94

Madden 93 on the Genisis was imo one of the best sports games for its time. If not top five damn close. Madden 94 was slightly worse, 95 was worse yet. 96 was ok. It wasnt until 99 of the next generation that Madden was better. You saw the same thing with NHL, Tripple Play, and NBA Live when it went 3D. I havent been burned by EA since Madden 95. I was fricasseed by Gameday 99 though.

[TheBadazz]

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WTF, this was a well written and well thought out post. I've always pretty much played the "other" game since 2000, but anyone whose older the 27 has play NBA Live. I want EA to get it back to where it needs to be. But to do that they need to fail. Like General Motors and Chrysler. They had to go bankrupt in order to get their "house" together. I know this situation isn't the same, but maybe it is. Maybe failing will make them focus on what direction they really want to go. Because this way is not working.

[WTF]

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WTF, this was a well written and well thought out post. I've always pretty much played the "other" game since 2000, but anyone whose older the 27 has play NBA Live. I want EA to get it back to where it needs to be. But to do that they need to fail. Like General Motors and Chrysler. They had to go bankrupt in order to get their "house" together. I know this situation isn't the same, but maybe it is. Maybe failing will make them focus on what direction they really want to go. Because this way is not working.

Thanks Badazz. That's what I'm saying too. I don't wish for any company to "fail", nor am I trying to persuade people to not buy this title. I'm just throwing this out there to say "This is what you need to look at, and why you aren't achieving the level of success you're looking for."

I'd love for Live/Elite to get to the prominent stage that it used to be at. But in order to do that, I think they need to take a heavy look at why the consumer isn't very happy right now.

[TheBadazz]

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I don't want them to fail either, because EA might do something stupid, like dump NBA basketball in total. We don't need that.

[Court_vision]

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The absolute bottom line with this whole thing = if the DEMO is great, we'll all be jumping back on board.

If the demo screams out "this thing needs another 12 months"...most of us will be giving the game a miss.

I've criticised EA re NCAA and their complete lack of support.........but video games aren't that big of a deal in the context of life and i've never understood the whole "boycott" a game idea.I won't hold a grudge. If the demo is great, count me in. If the demo sux, count me out.

Bottom line.

[mrprice33]

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The absolute bottom line with this whole thing = if the DEMO is great, we'll all be jumping back on board.

If the demo screams out "this thing needs another 12 months"...most of us will be giving the game a miss.

I've criticised EA re NCAA and their complete lack of support.........but video games aren't that big of a deal in the context of life and i've never understood the whole "boycott" a game idea.I won't hold a grudge. If the demo is great, count me in. If the demo sux, count me out.

Bottom line.

/thread

Hands down the best post in the thread. If the game is good, play it. If not, don't. All this hand-wringing and teeth gnashing and boo-hooing is silly, even though I like most of the guys doing it. There are options, and the other game looks like it has both barrels loaded. It's a very viable alternative.

[TheBadazz]

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The absolute bottom line with this whole thing = if the DEMO is great, we'll all be jumping back on board.

If the demo screams out "this thing needs another 12 months"...most of us will be giving the game a miss.

I've criticised EA re NCAA and their complete lack of support.........but video games aren't that big of a deal in the context of life and i've never understood the whole "boycott" a game idea.I won't hold a grudge. If the demo is great, count me in. If the demo sux, count me out.

Bottom line.

I feel ya Court Vision. No boycott hear, just want to play good games. I play more sports than anything else. I hope the demo is good. I sort of want NBA Jam anyway. But I want it to be a plus and not the only reason I would get Elite.

[TheBrothers24]

Re: A 3 Year Plan (LONG read)

The absolute bottom line with this whole thing = if the DEMO is great, we'll all be jumping back on board.

If the demo screams out "this thing needs another 12 months"...most of us will be giving the game a miss.

I've criticised EA re NCAA and their complete lack of support.........but video games aren't that big of a deal in the context of life and i've never understood the whole "boycott" a game idea.I won't hold a grudge. If the demo is great, count me in. If the demo sux, count me out.

Bottom line.

If the demo is good and the game feels solid then i will pick it up used at some point but as a dynasty player mostly, I won't be buying the game new because of no in game injuries. No amount of control can change that fact. Now I'm saying that is a game killer for anybody else but it is for me.

[travis72]

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If the demo is good and the game feels solid then i will pick it up used at some point but as a dynasty player mostly, I won't be buying the game new because of no in game injuries. No amount of control can change that fact. Now I'm saying that is a game killer for anybody else but it is for me.

I feel the same way.

[bigeastbumrush]

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To be fair, I never said we'd add injuries next year. I said it is something we'd consider.

I don't want that one coming back to bite me if we don't end up doing it.

No offense...but:

Much of that has to do with the History of the 2 game companies still left developing hoop games and what DROVE most of live's fans into the hands of 2k. IF you don't understand why they left. You can never understand how to get them back.

...and in-game injuries aren't even scratching the surface.

I'm actually pulling for Elite. I've been a diehard fan of Live for years. And I think they have the right vision of wanting a better product.

But Littman f'd up by bringing Metacritic scores into the discussion.

Keep your ears glued to the community. You have gamers out there who would do anything to help get the best product out to the masses. They spend countless time (months and even years) to get these games to be even playable so don't think that they don't have vested interest and are just bashing.

[travis72]

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No worries man, I hear your frustration.

I think guys have been burned many times in the past, and there's a lot of built up frustration that's coming out right now.

I get it, I think it's something that needs to be said and EA as a company deserves to hear it.

I'm pulling out the constructive criticism parts and will be bringing them to the table when we start planning for next year.

I'll still be here when you guys have gotten everything off your chest about how you've been let down in the past, and hopefully once the demo and release have come and gone we can get back to the kind of discussions we all enjoy.

Good to hear your taking the constructive criticism to the table for next year. Just hope the higher ups listen to you and let you make a great game. Nice to see your not all defensive to what a lot of us are saying. A lot of us are just really frustrated with EA and not you personally. You are doing a lot coming here and listening and answering questions and it is much appreciated.

[jira2004]

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The thing that gets me is the guy Mike Wang hinted to use real early about the direction NBA live (elite) is going and as I read these threads I'm just surprise that you guys still want to believe that EA will put their best foot forward..

Why keep falling for the same thing over and over again?....

Change is only going to happened when you put your MONEY where your mouth is!!!!!!!

[Court_vision]

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The thing that gets me is the guy Mike Wang hinted to use real early about the direction NBA live (elite) is going and as I read these threads I'm just surprise that you guys still want to believe that EA will put their best foot forward..

Playing Devil's Advocate here........To be fair to reAnimator and EA............whilst we all liked the direction LIVE 10 headed and we all respect Beluba and enjoyed his and Marcus' feedback etc...........the facts are that NBA Live 10 sold terribly. Sales were down on even LIVE 09 (which was garbage). So, even the move to a much better game still = woeful sales.

I can see why they scrapped it based off those sales and why the LIVE 10 team was sent packing etc. Sales are basically the only thing that counts unfortunately.

It will be interesting to see how they go this time as 2K with MJ is going to a lethal combination. Elite will need to be really good to compete. As dissapointed as I am that they scrapped it all so quickly after LIVE 10 and I agree here totally with WTF and everyone's frustration........the facts are that the game didn't sell and was actually going backwards on even LIVE 09's poor sales.