A 3 Year Plan (LONG read)

[convince]

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Ahhh the memories.

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Woooohooo. My thread has been bumped. Still stands true.

Past present and future...

[Sundown]

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Woooohooo. My thread has been bumped. Still stands true.

You sir, are the Clairvoyant Bill of video game basketball.

You should really update the OP with background on Live 12-14.

Live's management's problem is that they're results and not process oriented. They see unsatisfactory sales numbers and assume they're doing something wrong, rather than that they're just not done doing the right thing.

It's like someone changing their shot form every time they miss a jumper. Pick a good form, tweak it if necessary, and keep at it. You'll miss at first but the shot will come. It never will if you try a drastically new form every time.

Live's developers' problem is that they're too close too their work. They've convinced themselves that the thing they're working on is great while an unbiased party can tell it's not. They make excuses rather than heed hard to hear criticism. They assume players are the ones who've gotten used to a lesser thing when it's they themselves who've done that dogfooding their own product, isolated in groupthink. There is no way an unbiased party can look at Elite 11 and say that it is better than Live 10 as a completed game.

The myopia of Live management and the self-congratulating bias of Live development is not a good combination for success.

The history of endless promises on the eternal treadmill of 3 year plans is fascinating. Rabid fans for whom EA can do no wrong, developers who leave the Live compound becoming open to criticism. The cult of Live bears more than a few amusing parallels to a certain "church" in Clearwater, Florida. That's a clichéd analogy to make but the parallels are there.

[ghettogeeksta]

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The problem with 3 year plans is that they never end up being 3 years. They end up being indefinite plans. And why would I want to spend $60 on a beta for 3 years, ill just wait three years and see where the game is at, which is probably another multi-year plan.

[ghettogeeksta]

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I don't want them to fail either, because EA might do something stupid, like dump NBA basketball in total. We don't need that.

Agreed, if Live isn't bring in enough money and it starts to loose EA money they may dump the series entirely. Authentic License sports titles cost alot of money to make.

[Flightwhite24]

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The problem with 3 year plans is that they never end up being 3 years. They end up being indefinite plans. And why would I want to spend $60 on a beta for 3 years, ill just wait three years and see where the game is at, which is probably another multi-year plan.

Basically the point I was trying to make. They are telling you up front that the game is not where it should be and it's gonna take 2-3 years before it's where it should be. So they make $180 and some change off of you during the SO-CALLED 3 yr plan

I wanted this to work out so we all could have 2 games to play but I would be a fool to buy this after what EA has said

Fellows I'm gonna give you a little hint. If this game comes out next month and it does REALLY BAD, don't hold your breath for the 2nd/3rd year of the plan


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[Melbournelad]

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What a ridiculously endless cycle.

Are we going to be at Live 18-"Phase one of a three year plan"?

[xMAN OF 5TEELx]

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It's funny, I read OP not knowing the date...wow, Wtf hit it on the head...reminds me so much of maddened as well...every year its, we've added this and improved that...and then u play it and it is the same game with whatever technology named something different...I never touched a 2k game until EA left me standing at the alter one too many times, but we've had a lot of history so u have to look back now and then hoping they'd change...I would like to have another chance with EA on Xbone, but I have a feeling she's gonna stand me up again,lol...I guess we'll see in a couple weeks...

[Sundown]

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What a ridiculously endless cycle.

Are we going to be at Live 18-"Phase one of a three year plan"?

That's fine if they'd actually completed a previous three year plan and built on that foundation.

It's not fine if it's the 3rd three year plan since Live 14.

[xMAN OF 5TEELx]

Yea, but now were at the first of the fourth of a three year plan and that's sooo much better...lol...

[ghettogeeksta]

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Madden can afford to admit to a three year plan because they have no competition. But with NBA 2k being the superior b-ball game right now I have not problem waiting 3 years for NBA Live to get up to snuff.

[yungflo]

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Madden can afford to admit to a three year plan because they have no competition. But with NBA 2k being the superior b-ball game right now I have not problem waiting 3 years for NBA Live to get up to snuff.

We're on year 4 of the initial 3 year plan bruh.

I say give them a chance, new generation, new start, but I'll wait til they come correct to start buying their games at full price.

[WTF]

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What a ridiculously endless cycle.

Are we going to be at Live 18-"Phase one of a three year plan"?

I don't mean to drag this out of the blue... but man.

Here we were last year, Live 18... and I'm going through this thread and the SAME things are applying.

Where is our complete game?

Where is the Authentic NBA experience?

Why are we watching The One get all the love, at the sake of "next year" for the NBA portion of the franchise.

I’m glad you all are proud of your product. I hope you all achieve your 90+ score on metacritic, since that’s the overall goal. Maybe in 2 more years, Elite will be a title that has ran it’s course of the 3 yr plan finally. Hoops gamers will rejoice, and have a complete game. Maybe…

We're still waiting on a complete game.

If the desire isn't to make an NBA game, then go the route of full streetball.

When I wrote my article about the State of Franchise in NBA Live, I was aggravated. It's continually ate at me, which is why I went back and read through this thread again.

I don't get why we can't get to year 3.... where is our full featured title.

Why are we continually back to square 1, or square 2?

Thought you all may enjoy reading back through some of the responses though.

Here's hoping that this is year 3?

[El_Poopador]

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I don't mean to drag this out of the blue... but man.

Here we were last year, Live 18... and I'm going through this thread and the SAME things are applying.

Where is our complete game?

Where is the Authentic NBA experience?

Why are we watching The One get all the love, at the sake of "next year" for the NBA portion of the franchise.



We're still waiting on a complete game.

If the desire isn't to make an NBA game, then go the route of full streetball.

When I wrote my article about the State of Franchise in NBA Live, I was aggravated. It's continually ate at me, which is why I went back and read through this thread again.

I don't get why we can't get to year 3.... where is our full featured title.

Why are we continually back to square 1, or square 2?

Thought you all may enjoy reading back through some of the responses though.

Here's hoping that this is year 3?

I honestly believe that this is year 2. Live 18 was year 1, slightly building off Live 16, but it really felt like a completely different game. Live 19 is year 2, further building off of Live 18, and hopefully adding even more. My guess is that Live 20 will be a legitimate year 3, when they can fully flesh out all modes, potentially switch over to Frostbite (if they feel it would actually be beneficial; I know it does more for outdoor games and environments), and really deliver that full experience.

The problem since the return has been the constant change of direction; they didn't seem to have a full-fledged plan going into Live 14, 15, or 16. With 18, they laid a great foundation, and from the little that has been shown of Live 19, they've built on that.

It may just be me being overly optimistic, but I have faith that they will finally deliver the coveted third year for Live 20.

[noshun]

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Whoa, who blew the dust off this old thread, deja vu?