A 3 Year Plan (LONG read)

[yungflo]

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It is, Live 06. But PC still had the xbox/ps2 port instead of the 360. So it was still a decent game.

yeah, I still play live 06 on the ps2. Funny thing, my friend traded to me for nba:the life.

Up to this day, I don't know who got the better end of the bargain. NBA the life was pretty damn entertaining as an arcade game.

[fatleg3]

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I don't disagree with you at all. I think when introduce new games to anyone there is some form of learning curve. I just think they are making the learning curve pretty small. Btw making the controls easy to learn is not a bad thing at all. But I think implementing things that make the game appealing to casual consumers, that may or may not buy the game, while alienating your faithful fans is a huge mistake(Hence the original message of this thread). Casual fans are very fickle, they aren't the fans that will by the game on a yearly basis. Just my opinion though. I just hope the next direction wont be 5 on 5 NBA Jam b/c "We can get even more Casual Fans!"

I understand what you are saying and i agree with you with them implementing things that appeal to the casual gamer.

With the learning curve and how easy it will be depends on the person playing. It will be different for each and every person. For me and you it might be fairly easy cause we are gamers. But for the casual person it might take a while but at the same time even casual people pick games up easily.

Do you think that them also targeting the casual gamers this year is for boosting sales? Because i really think the casual gamer goes for looks (I shouldnt have to go into details about that). I havent thought about it until now and im not the person to say that is true.

[convince]

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All i ever wanted was for a CPU/AI opponent to play like real basketball players for once.....LOL!

I mean seriously how hard can it be after 5 years to make them look like ballers on the floor?

I'm sick of robot looking animations and i'm sick of excuses about next year. I want to see the *&%$ CPU play exactly the way you market those damn videos/commercials

One year they had Dirk doing some amazing stuff with the ball and then the game drops and nothing even resembles that stuff. I don't care about 100% control, i don't care about the pop corn guy in the stands and i don't care about Fifa or NHL

I just want a darn game that plays true to life basketball for once....no more excuses about we can't do this and we can't do that because the engine limits our ability. I don't care if you have to take the players from Live 06 and slap some coating on them to look next gen atleast those guys moved and looked like ballers on the floor at the time.

How the heck can you not have better animated players after 5 years then the one's you had on PS2.

For crying out loud they could have kept the engine from 08 and just fixed the *&%$ animations. Here we are with Elite 11 and it's the same start over *&%$ again.

Oh yeah and just to show how bad it's been i've never played College Hoops 2K8 until this summer and that freakin game has better animated players than Live 07, 08, 09, 10 and Elite 11.

Hows that possible EA for a College game out dated to have better animations than any of your products on Next Gen?

That game College hoops 2K8 has a huge following. I'm more of a NBA guy myself but to this day, no other basketball game has come close to offering the presentation style of "2k hoops tonight" complete with highlights, previews, reviews of games and the "Selection show".

Back to the subject at hand, I've asking for the developers to release video of the AI controlling a team like the Suns. More importantly Cpu Vs. Cpu with one team the suns and the other the Spurs. I want contrasting style being ran by the AI, so we can decipher for ourselves whether we are looking at Realistic NBA simulation. But he stated they already release a video of the AI controlling the Thunder. That's just not the same. The Suns run very different offense than most teams. I lot of running and when they are in the half court, pick and role and also kick for perimeter shots.

[convince]

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I understand what you are saying and i agree with you with them implementing things that appeal to the casual gamer.

With the learning curve and how easy it will be depends on the person playing. It will be different for each and every person. For me and you it might be fairly easy cause we are gamers. But for the casual person it might take a while but at the same time even casual people pick games up easily.

Do you think that them also targeting the casual gamers this year is for boosting sales? Because i really think the casual gamer goes for looks (I shouldnt have to go into details about that). I havent thought about it until now and im not the person to say that is true.

I do think looks have alot to do with the casual gamer picking up the game. But in reality we both know those comments stating the game looks like a PSP or PS2 is grossly over exaggerated. The game will still look next gen. Its only to us basketball fans that are aware the visuals took a major hit, especially when you can't tell the difference CP3 and Darren Collision(yea i know it wasn't him and he was traded). But the PG looked more like Collision than CP3 in that video. But with that being said as I mention before, I want the game to have some success but not at the expense of us. But this genre needs to have competition to get each developer houses putting out their best efforts.

[Rocboyz101]

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Can't be said enough, great post WTF.

[fatleg3]

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I do think looks have alot to do with the casual gamer picking up the game. But in reality we both know those comments stating the game looks like a PSP or PS2 is grossly over exaggerated. The game will still look next gen. Its only to us basketball fans that are aware the visuals took a major hit, especially when you tell the difference CP3 and Darren Collision(yea i know it was him and he was traded). But he looked more like collision than CP3 in that video. But with that being said as I mention before, I want the game to have some success but not at the expense of us. But this genre needs to have competition to get each developer houses putting out their best efforts.

true..................

[Dawgthem]

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Dude...take one look at the game and then go play live 07 on the ps2 and then come back to this thread. were not saying whats being done on this game can be done on old consoles. because Hell, Its game breaking Implementing real time physics what were saying is it LOOKs like its ran on old consoles. BUt my sig says differently dosen't it LOl

[jr2424]

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As said before, great post WTF. I've said this in a previous thread but with all the advancements the other game has made this year, you'd think they were the ones playing catch-up. You're right that the years of subpar games have left a bad taste in gamers mouths. True basketball fans have been burned too many times to put up with the rhetoric. I do hope the Elite demo is great, but even it is the tightest control scheme ever known to a basketball game, I still don't think that makes up for the lack of details that the other game has. There's no fluidity to Elite. Now I won't pretend to know the intricacies of developing a game, but if the physics based system lends to less fluidity, then I'm not with it.

I know Backbreaker used the Euphoria engine, which I think has some of the same physics-based concepts (Not sure, this is a guess that I know the developers can clear up) but it looked a lot more fluid than this. I know the gameplay wasn't that great because the camera and other issues, but I was commenting strictly on player movement and interactions. Now if this were added to a basketball game, I could accept a "three-year plan", knowing by the end of the three years, we'd have something revolutionary.

But the videos so far don't support that. With EA getting hammered in sales, they should go the NFL 2k5 route and undersell the competition. That might draw some of the "gamer" fans they're looking to bring on board. But to go head to head with the other game, seeing the way it runs (dunno how it plays yet because we haven't had that shot) it's going to be another uphill climb. Then add in the years of "gimmicks" and it's a tough sell.

[travis72]

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^^^^^^
I like that idea of them selling it cheaper then i might be more inclined to purchase. We all know EA will not do that.

[fatleg3]

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Dude...take one look at the game and then go play live 07 on the ps2 and then come back to this thread. were not saying whats being done on this game can be done on old consoles. because Hell, Its game breaking Implementing real time physics what were saying is it LOOKs like its ran on old consoles. BUt my sig says differently dosen't it LOl

umm ok are directing this to anyone because nobody is refuting that the animations or visuals need work in this post.

[Muzyk23]

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What's new..drama when it comes to EA basketball. I personally think they had to do something so drastic, because they know they have absolutely no chance against competition's game, which has been tweaked and polished for many years now. They could've been competetive fixing and polishing Live 10 as was stated. Great posts guys.

[Dawgthem]

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umm ok are directing this to anyone because nobody is refuting that the animations or visuals need work in this post.

The guy you quoted in your last post said that we were exaggerating that the visuals are on a ps2 psp based look..i was clearing that up,..because..kinda does..

[convince]

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I don't think that is possible in this recession, unless you referring to like $10 off. But last Gen games were like 49.99 and 2K5 came out with a price point of 19.99 when it drop. I just don't believe there is a way they can drop the price to 29.99. Unless they are willing to go in the Red the first year to spark interest. But let's be honest this game is rebooting its franchise and many people rely on reviews on if they will purchase it. And with the already decline in visuals (which the Devs admitted to), and the lack of attention paid to other gaming issues b/c of the attention paid to controls, this games is not getting a 90+ metric score. "Fun to play" is only a part of what goes in to consideration when reviewing a game that is trying to be a representation of the NBA.

[Court_vision]

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Just wanted to throw this quote in there from rEAnimator. And this is my problem. The problem in paying full price for a game that has a plan for the future, is because that’s what we’ve been doing for the past 5 years, and we still haven’t gotten the game which has all parts of the plan implemented. We’re constantly thrown back to the 1st of a 3 year plan, wondering if we’re ever going to be getting the game that we’ve been promised.

Great post Will......probably the best NBA Live post ever on these forums. You've summed up everyone's frustrations perfectly my friend.

The part I have bolded is why I won't be paying for this product again.

[Court_vision]

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And this is another point that I wasn't going to bring up, but since you throw it out there, I'll touch base on it a little bit as well.

EA was promoting and interacting with the NCAA Basketball board like crazy before release. Getting everyone hyped up, and this is the 2nd year of a 3 year plan...

Post release, guys start experiencing some crazy freezeups and glitches. The game unplayable to most. EA, come and save us.... let us know what you're doing to fix these problems.

EA?....... EA?.... crickets.

Guys paid good money for a game that was not playable, and not even so much as a response. A few months later we find that the plug has been pulled, no more NCAA basketball. EA has your money, they don't need to support the product after all is said and done. Why take resources away from Elite on those people who already paid for your product? We need to create some new buzzwords that will convince people that Elite is the title to buy. That will make people forget about NCAA's problems. Right? Wrong.

Yep...my NCAA froze every second game. It was unplayable.

The courtesy of a patch? No. Instead, completel silence.

To his creidt, one EA guy who I won't name messaged me and said "sorry...we can't fix it as they have deemed it's not worth fixing due to low sales". Basically, "the suits don't think it's worth the time as so few of you bought the game and the team has been taken off it".