NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

[Klocker]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Yeah and the gameplay changed drastically in 9 months since the release. I just wanted to make sure he played the game at least 1 week ago and still commenting this bs? The player movement is pretty good right now in NBA Live 19. I don't understand being a "fan" of a game and defending it to the fullest. I played Nba 2K since 2006. But last 2-3 years i'm not liking the game. I was a big fan of their game because i liked the product, i'm not liking what they are doing last 3 years so i'm criticising them but for people if they liked a game from day 1, they become fans of that forever... They are totally subjective. Why should I be subjective? It's 60 $ i'm throwing at, i'll play what i like and i'll defend it if it does a good job for me. If not, to hell with it.

I quit playing both Live19 and 2K19 in December, then came back to test 2K again in April, didn't like it again, deleted it again and checked live in May and I loved their last gameplay changes and enjoying it since then.(Franchise mode only)

Yeah I play both and hadn't touched live for many years until live 18 and 19. I'm no sim head by any means but I want the game to feel like its fair and realistic ro a point i dont need point for point realism. I enjoy both games. Live to me has just finally found a sweet spot in the last couple of months on the last update. it plays so much better than it did for the first nine months I totally agree.

it has features that 2K20 is just now implementing like much more momentum-based foot planting and defensive anticipation its just a fun game play and the animations and gameflow have improved and motion has improved to be so much tighter than it was before.

the game really is a blast to play now.

I just hope to God they get rid of Jay Williams I had to turn the commentary off I actually miss Van gundy

I'm playing this game actually as we speak and it just blows my mind that people just do not give it a chance and I think live lost its way back when I screwed up in the early 2010s. They just gave everybody nowhere to go but 2k and they are a great product but people just can't get used to the difference in the way this game plays and don't give it a chance. or just say it doesn't play like 2K and just give up

[seanhazz1]

NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Live has a higher pace of play
natively than 2k. It’s why i feel it gets labeled “arcade” a lot. They are BOTH arcade-like in certain aspects. To compare fairly I always play Live at 2k’s pace of play then play 2k at Live’s pace to get a more accurate feel of the differences. I will say that playing 2k at Lives pace is definitely more enjoyable for me than 2k’s native pace. I enjoy both for specific reasons but enjoy Live more on the court, and 2k for its bells and whistles not tied to VC.


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[illwill10]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Live has a higher pace of play
natively than 2k. It’s why i feel it gets labeled “arcade” a lot. They are BOTH arcade-like in certain aspects. To compare fairly I always play Live at 2k’s pace of play then play 2k at Live’s pace to get a more accurate feel of the differences. I will say that playing 2k at Lives pace is definitely more enjoyable for me than 2k’s native pace. I enjoy both for specific reasons but enjoy Live more on the court, and 2k for its bells and whistles not tied to VC.


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I agree. Live is more up and down while 2k has that late 90's-early 00s feel. Where it is that slower halfcourt feel when not in H2H and where height and size are king and where speed isn't as important.

[seanhazz1]

NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I can’t say with certainty why EA decided to delay, but I think it may have a lot to do with their cloud gaming deals , their desire to be cross platform, and their desire to have their new games available for CLOUD gaming at launch on all platforms to combat Amazons new project.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18632374/microsoft-sony-cloud-gaming-partnership-amazon-google

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-02-04-microsoft-plans-xbox-live-for-nintendo-switch-mobile

https://www.t3.com/news/nintendo-switch-move-over-microsofts-handheld-xbox-plans-revealed

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[Cleveland Rocks]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I may tend to disagree prior to the spring patch I personally found the gameplay itself better than 2k the animations need work but the gameplay was strong the player models look much better on live to me. I even like the halftime show and post game show much better than 2k. The in game commentary is pure trash. The franchise is pitiful 20 years ago the Live 98 season mode was much more option you could play mutiple teams during the season and edit all players. The inability to play other teams in franchise is a deal breaker, and the last patch made 3 pointers impossible. Legends need to be playable as well if you want to compete with 2k. What is sad for me is they were so close.

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I can’t say with certainty why EA decided to delay, but I think it may have a lot to do with their cloud gaming deals , their desire to be cross platform, and their desire to have their new games available for CLOUD gaming at launch on all platforms to combat Amazons new project.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18632374/microsoft-sony-cloud-gaming-partnership-amazon-google

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-02-04-microsoft-plans-xbox-live-for-nintendo-switch-mobile

https://www.t3.com/news/nintendo-switch-move-over-microsofts-handheld-xbox-plans-revealed

If NBA Live 20 was cross platform, it would really improve matchmaking. The low sales do not help filling up teams. but if, especially on XB1, you could add in the PS4 guys, it would be huge.

It's not beat 2K huge, but it would help the online portion a lot, and give the game a little more life in their challenge to increase sales.

[mag152]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

NBA Live 20, final list

Pulled from all the communities the most logic, not the outrageous and this list will not only catch live up but it will surpass even an evolving competitor.

Connected Francise, online with other users, player, coach owner
BETTER CPU TRADE LOGIC and all trade rules
multi team local season with multiple users as GMs
Keep point upgrade system
MORE ATTRIBUTES
signature moves, dribble, layup dunks etc.
Way more normal moves
Better AI player abilities
More role player badges
Relocation, price increase, all star bid, stadium improvements
Player morale issues, contract issues, personal issues, play time issues, and management system
Better passing, more flashy and touch passing, better pick and role mechanic and controls
More shooting fouls, less reach in fouls, better steals on ball exposure.
More and better blow by animation, better blow by logic.
Less powerful euro and floater
More powerful drop step and underbasket spins
Less powerful post play unless strong post player
More back down strength with stronger players
More dunks out of post when opponent is under rim
Better alley op passing and logic
Better passing lane steal animation and transition to drive
More accurately 3 second, clear path, lose ball etc.
Less canned blk animations
More mid air counters
At least 10 of each cross, double cross, behind back, stutter step, in and out and step back
Full harden step back package, flop option
Draw foul and pump fake options
Argue with ref and tech options, stars get more benefit when fouling and argue with ref
Avoid fouling attribute, i.e. khawi
Better defense badges
Great defenders, stronger impact, khawi and Rudy
Better cutting
Revamp entire play calling,
Make playcalling effective without canned animations
CPU defense reactions not choreographed but based on attributes
Better give and go
All star weekend
All star draft, dunk contest, threepoint contest, USA vs world game, skills challange, coach selection, city selection
Deeper franchise
Online fantasy draft, mirror madden as much as possible.
Choose rules, re draft previous year, xp sliders, free agent tendencies, play home, major market, blackballed, locker room menace, i.e. dwight Howard.
Player contract negotiation, user can lose In Free agency
Better CPU draft scouting
Create draft class, import draft class
Create player with photo face i.e. fight night, share roster sliders etc online.
Classic rosters
Import classic players into season, download classic rosters, import to season
Switch teams and conference
Jersey and merchandise sell tracker
Owner goals and task
Online ranking system
Park on online one on one
Ultimate team, legends, players I'm prime, i.e. d rose.
Crowd reactions
Better overlays, triple double counter.
Early in season references
BETTER COMMENTARY, more fluid, less scripted, better play by play, not just soo and soo with the ball. Better TV versus on court sound balance
Better half time, although pretty stronger
More Jersey options including classic
Create teams, uniform, logo.
The one pickup, rico Hines, etc.
Post summer shoot around
Better fan and social media impact
More losses as non impact player in the one
As star in the one, teammate morale issues if scoring all the points
Player not getting average angry
As superstar can encourage trade of teammates and trades for other players, can poo poo GM trades not agreed with i.e lebron
More leveraged based and risk reward contract negotiations as player in franchise but especially the one
Cloud vs local franchise
Rebuild vs win now, vs make playoff team goals, owner personality impacts coach, GM etc.
Bring back court battles as is, crazier but harder to earn rules, more content, more I stant gratification to encourage more play in this mode, ultimate team rewards for success in any mode in addition to coin.
Ultimate team only pay to play mode, model after madden, teams can get far with challenges, more legends, team advantage cards.
Gameplay
Easier pick and poo, more mid range shots
Strong contested shot takers can actually make contested shots
Curry super high layup package
Better standards handles for signature players not just signature moves. Curry behind the back with curry with having to execute combo
Speed and strength more important to blow by mini game
Smoother dribble counters not always stopped by contact
More steal animations, especially with good defender and good pressure.
Tony Allen has no impact in 19, more role player impacts
More ai post up, cuts to rim when defense plays close or sags
Ability to counter fastbrake through coach settings, more double teams
Better double team AI, half vs full commitment
At least 20 of each, fadeaway, hook shots, post up and under, fakes etc. Better post repertoire.
Gear with boost, i.e. kyrie sneakers handle, lebron chase down block etc.
Line up lock no auto CPU reset in franchise
More euros, euro to dunk, euro to floater animations
Get opponent to commint draw foul, pull chair, less two hand blocks, more straight layups, less scoope for bigs
Fake pass, works against low awareness
Injury impact growth
In game injuries, reduce injury come back time risk reward system i.e.madden
Career ending, season long in injury, based on attribute, stamina, progressive fatigue and actions.
WNBA franchise and playoff
WNBA vs NBA online play now
G league teams, summer league, USA team selection every 4 years for Olympics, Olympic city selection
Rewards tracking, mvps, gold medal etc.
Goat tracking task to become the best ever
Draft combine events
All American game
Outrageous dunks in dunk contest and streets, outrageous handles only in streets not NBA.
I international players in draft, draft stash
Real contracts and salaries
Expiring contract vs overpaid contract in trade logic and rejection response.
Auto replay commentary
Auto taunts and aftershot actions
Higher crowd involvement
Way more first take
Photos and news i.e. madden
Rewards race, hype meter i.e. harden westbrook MVP race
After finals NBA award show
Crowd chance, MVP, boo,
High pressure free throw
More playcalling specifically for buzzer beaters
More 4th quarter impact for impact players
More noticeable impact for defense clutch players i.e khawi,
Superstar x factor with ability to trigger through task, and counter, but also turn off.
Edit player In Franchise, force trade not on cloud or shared
Assign wins and Lost, full madden admin suite, clear penalty, edit draft class, sim day etc.
Play games out of order.
29, 56, 82 and 14 game options
Trade logic based on francise length, sliders for logic, rookie and draft pick weighting
Xp required to upgrade fares with season length etc.
Users do not play online e franchise at 82 games remember that .
More headwear in street backwards hats.
Specially appearance, love and basketball, white man cant jump, he got game on streets etc.
Special items for specially appearence
Street ball legend, professor, skip to my lou.
Famous street moves, shamgod etc.
More crowd and camera cuts, candid moments
Halftime show street and NBA, crowd participation
Buzzer shot review
Who is it out on review, 2 or 3 pointer review in close games.
Hack a ..... technique in coaching with matching commentary
Intentional foul late game, hack a rules...
More flagrants
Smarter intentional foul ai. Currently is none.
Build area, upload download logos
Edit scoreboard, seating etc.

[lareka]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

A great read-up by Polygon about the situation, titled "Why are we asking where the hell is NBA Live again?"

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/17/20810401/nba-live-20-release-dates-ps4-xbox-one-delay-cancel

[Charles Bliss]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I'm not sure, why EA needs to assess the problem when they already know what the problem is. The game is not selling, it plays stiff, lacks animations across the board, they need to fix the unstoppable dunks, the unstoppable layups, the psychic A.I., and the terrible passing.

The game has bright spots but one of NBA Live’s biggest pitfalls has been starting over from scratch and changing direction too often. If EA wants this franchise to really do well they're going to have to choose a direction and stick to it with continuous development and put forth the money and resources to make it the best product it can be!!

[youvalss]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I have a theory that this delay is actually a marketing tool. Yeah, I know it may sound strange, but think about it: Live cannot release together with 2K. It just doesn't work and has hurt the franchise again and again, even if the game is great.

By releasing on their own time they do 3 things:
1. Differentiate their game, it's no longer "their game vs our game", it's just "our game" (yeah, comparisons will come, but later).
2. By releasing closer to the holiday season, their product becomes an instant gift, as many have already bought the other game.
3. If(!) the game is actually great, it will make it look even better after all the doubt caused by late release.

To sum it up, Live needs to be differentiated, needs to be on its own, can't be one of 2 options again.

On the other hand, since next year looks to be the year of a new generation, it's possible that EA is working extra hard in a glorious release of Live 21 that will make us all forget about Live 14 like it never happened.

[lareka]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I'm not sure, why EA needs to assess the problem when they already know what the problem is. The game is not selling, it plays stiff, lacks animations across the board, they need to fix the unstoppable dunks, the unstoppable layups, the psychic A.I., and the terrible passing.

The game has bright spots but one of NBA Live’s biggest pitfalls has been starting over from scratch and changing direction too often. If EA wants this franchise to really do well they're going to have to choose a direction and stick to it with continuous development and put forth the money and resources to make it the best product it can be!!

There's no stiff animations or unstoppable dunks / lay-ups. Go check this new thread and videos by me and see it yourself:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...check-out.html

I basically recorded these videos yesterdays to eliminate such bs about nba live that you and some others are doing by playing the game probably only a few times and probably a few months ago...

[CujoMatty]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

A great read-up by Polygon about the situation, titled "Why are we asking where the hell is NBA Live again?"

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/17/20...e-delay-cancel

Ya this article is exactly what I’m thinking. Smak and I were both saying how it would make zero sense for Live to try and reinvent the wheel at this point. If they are trying to do that and the game gets delayed further or even cancelled I’m done.

[Charles Bliss]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

There's no stiff animations or unstoppable dunks / lay-ups. Go check this new thread and videos by me and see it yourself:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...check-out.html

I basically recorded these videos yesterdays to eliminate such bs about nba live that you and some others are doing by playing the game probably only a few times and probably a few months ago...

I respect your opinion, but I disagree they're still some animations that does look stiff or unnatural. Also, they're moments in the game when layups and dunks are unstoppable. I've been playing the game for the past week. I'm just giving my observations about the game and things I've experienced with it! I'm not here to bash it.