NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

[lareka]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff.

If they make the game 20-30 dollars and just sell that mode, they would do pretty well. They do a good job of bringing content, celebrities and etc in those events.

Their NBA side though has been bad. People would be willing to excuse the not great gameplay if they worked on the modes but they didn't. Franchise Mode is not good, no allstar weekend, The One was pretty much copied and pasted from last year. I liked their non stories but they could change it a little and they didn't.

It just felt like they only cared about the online street mode.

There is no reason for people to pay $60 for that.

"They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff. " Isn't it the same for 2K too ? What do you think?

[DaWolf]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

My prediction:



- Free2Play
- Only THE ONE - no NBA
- Delay because of legal issues with the NBA and 2K Sports

[DoubleDeuce]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I am really bummed about this. I may have to reconsider my 2k boycott. Either that or dig out my original Xbox and fire up Inside Drive 2004 or something.

[Schnoodle321]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

My prediction:



- Free2Play
- Only THE ONE - no NBA
- Delay because of legal issues with the NBA and 2K Sports

Guaranteed no buy from me if that prediction comes to be.

I buy basketball games because of the NBA, otherwise I’d just go outside and play basketball.

From what I gather from people is they have had little to no focus on the NBA side of their game for years which is what people want and it’s in the title of their game. They drop that from their game they’re done. Which I think they’re just delaying the inevitable update of it’s cancelled

[idigfoo9]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

"They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff. " Isn't it the same for 2K too ? What do you think?

The issue is that 2K has had a foundation for years and years now, Live can't afford to not build on their modes when they're bare bones as it is.

[ILLSmak]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I have to disagree with you here. I bought live 18,19, (also16 and 10 lol.) I'm one of the few who enjoy playing live over 2k. Live is fun to me because the ONE mode reminds me of NBA street.

However the game behaves nothing like a sim. No matter how contested a layup is it will go in and that's true where ever you shoot, contests don't matter it you get a good release it will go in. 2k rewards you for playing good defense.

I do agree with you on the modes though. The lack of depth also kills the sim hopes for the game, but nothing else really makes the game a sim either, I'd wish they just go full blown arcade cause they can't compete with 2k at a sim style game, we have 10+ years of evidence.

I'm a beast on d in live. But Yea u can tell a lot of people don't believe you can stop a drive or jump shot then they quit when they are like 1-6 and full red.



Dunks in live are a bit crazy if you can't block tho. It can be tuned sure, and I dono which game play I prefer offline, they both have pluses and minuses but I love 2ks depth even if 33% of it is wonky and doesn't work.



Online tho as I always say. Live every time. I've gotten worse and worse at 2k cuz I have always resisted the meta. The last one I played, we all had non meta dudes n got trashed by people just clowning and jacking threes and fade aways.



In live I know I can stop someone. I know they can score if I make a mistake and if they make a shot that I thought I played well I play tighter. In live if you know what they are gonna do, you can stop them. That level of balance is necessary for Sim. But Yea we all want more depth n better animations. Fewer canned outcomes.



But to me I feel like I'm really balling out there with my guy in live. When I make a pass in 2k and watch the outcome it feels real, but the feel of my player is more real in live.



Like I've been playing 2k15 and enjoying it. But I was on the break coming down the left side and a cpu was cutting to the rim and I had one defender come to me. I icon passed. Dude could have thrown it anywhere, but he threw it right into the guy's knee. That stuff happens way too much in 2k for me. It feels like a lot of the time dudes just fail on purpose. It really affects high level play unless you're just running around and greening threes w a sharp.



-Smak

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I really enjoy Live Run...the devs did a solid job listening to community feedback and tweaking it all year. The final version (I'm assuming) we have now is nice.

They didn't give that same care to the NBA modes IMO. OH2H is fun in spots but I probably wont play it much of all is all we get is a digital upgrade. I feel like you can only add so much...especially to the animation library which is really lacking.

I feel like I see the same 2 mans playing out repeatedly in the same situations so its hard for me to really get immersed in teams or individual players. They definitely still have some things to work on in the gameplay department.

[lon515]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Get outta here.

In 2k, you can stand there dribbling and do nothing, the defender can press the button to reach for the ball, they can touch the ball only, and be called for a reach.

In 2k, you can be rewarded for good defense, which is actually NOT sim. If you watch the NBA, many times good defense is played and it still goes in. Someone like Harden can go into iso, put a dribble move on, and get JUST ENOUGH space to get a shot, but be heavily contested, and it can still go in.

Sometimes open shots are missed, etc.

I know this is the case for 2k too... But I've seen people miss several layups in online play, based on rating, they don't all go in, it is definitely chance.

Live used to have them all go in, now they only MOSTLY go in if you have a really good rating.

You are entitled to believe Live gameplay is less sim. But I would challenge you and agree that the reason why people believe it is less sim is because there isn't any depth with coaching options or other things. Also, with such limited editing options and other gameplay modes people can feel the gameplay is lesser simply based on that too.

Being rewarded for good defense is SIM its crazy I even have to type that sentence. In the regular season does harden make crazy shots sure. However what happens EVERY year in the playoffs when people play real defense harden goes 4 for 17 and the rockets (and thunder at the time) lose.

These are NBA players so can they make shots when covered yes, does that happen in 2k yes. That's only one aspect that 2k does better, the gameplay has so many layers that live doesn't have it's not fair to even bring that up.

So let me get back to my original point. I have more fun playing live because its the closest thing to NBA street we have. That's all i want is a new NBA street.

In terms of simulation basketball game I don't see what else you would want from 2k ( outside of stupid micro transactions) The franchise is damn near flawless while live has one of the worst franchise modes ever.

I was under the impression people liked live because they wanted to play a more arcade basketball game, that's my appeal to it anyway.

[CujoMatty]

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Being rewarded for good defense is SIM its crazy I even have to type that sentence. In the regular season does harden make crazy shots sure. However what happens EVERY year in the playoffs when people play real defense harden goes 4 for 17 and the rockets (and thunder at the time) lose.

These are NBA players so can they make shots when covered yes, does that happen in 2k yes. That's only one aspect that 2k does better, the gameplay has so many layers that live doesn't have it's not fair to even bring that up.

So let me get back to my original point. I have more fun playing live because its the closest thing to NBA street we have. That's all i want is a new NBA street.

In terms of simulation basketball game I don't see what else you would want from 2k ( outside of stupid micro transactions) The franchise is damn near flawless while live has one of the worst franchise modes ever.

I was under the impression people liked live because they wanted to play a more arcade basketball game, that's my appeal to it anyway.

I would say this is a fair assessment

I guess for me it depends on an individuals definition of sim. Gameplay is definitely more arcadey with Live but for the most part I get more realistic stat lines with Live(other than 3 attempts) than I do 2k.

I played a full season of 2k, every game and probably 3 1/2 full seasons of Live this year. I love both games. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind 2k is a waaaaay better game.

That being said I always end up coming back to Live and it’s pretty much because of what you are saying. I can just play it. I don’t run a single play. I don’t have to know motion offence. I don’t have to worry about bouncing the ball off players when I want to dribble around like a crazy maniac. All of that is exactly what most people would probably list as negatives but I just wanna play.

Maybe it’s cause I’m getting old, I love the depth Live has in its simplicity. It’s actually super hard to get people open in Live. I do dribble moves, drive and kicks, screens, pick and rolls, pick and pops. The post moves are actually a lot better than most give live credit for probably because they are so simple to do. The spin move, the fake spin, up and under, hook shot, fadeaways all super easy to pull off with a single or double tap.

Anyways, there really isn’t anyway I could argue with someone thinking 2k is monumentally better than Live. It’s honestly an incredible game. The real ness is so crazy that it’s almost detrimental to my enjoyment at times but that’s obviously just a personal opinion.

But ya, bottom line, you are right, the reason I seem to prefer live is because it’s more arcade.

[Klocker]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I would say this is a fair assessment

I guess for me it depends on an individuals definition of sim. Gameplay is definitely more arcadey with Live but for the most part I get more realistic stat lines with Live(other than 3 attempts) than I do 2k.

I played a full season of 2k, every game and probably 3 1/2 full seasons of Live this year. I love both games. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind 2k is a waaaaay better game.

That being said I always end up coming back to Live and it’s pretty much because of what you are saying. I can just play it. I don’t run a single play. I don’t have to know motion offence. I don’t have to worry about bouncing the ball off players when I want to dribble around like a crazy maniac. All of that is exactly what most people would probably list as negatives but I just wanna play.

Maybe it’s cause I’m getting old, I love the depth Live has in its simplicity. It’s actually super hard to get people open in Live. I do dribble moves, drive and kicks, screens, pick and rolls, pick and pops. The post moves are actually a lot better than most give live credit for probably because they are so simple to do. The spin move, the fake spin, up and under, hook shot, fadeaways all super easy to pull off with a single or double tap.

Anyways, there really isn’t anyway I could argue with someone thinking 2k is monumentally better than Live. It’s honestly an incredible game. The real ness is so crazy that it’s almost detrimental to my enjoyment at times but that’s obviously just a personal opinion.

But ya, bottom line, you are right, the reason I seem to prefer live is because it’s more arcade.

Yes 2k is amazing basketball but damn if Live isn't more fun to play to me. The games are more interesting and exciting

[Smallville102001]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Its not arcade that is why I fell like live has a lot of promise. I prefer sim but I think live has a lot of promise because the way guys move looks and fells more realistic then 2k and the crowd audio is better then 2k. Also you can get fouled on jump shoots including 3 pointers something that just dosnt happend in 2k and you can drawl more charges in nba live then 2k. Those are all things I fell like live does better then 2k and are all sim things not arcade. The problem with live is franchise mode needs to be a lot better and things like to many blocks, cpu not shooting enough 3 pointers, cpu playing guys to many minutes and not calling time outs are all problems that need to be worked on.

[Gowi]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I wonder what these changes are going to be like, if they, you know, actually happen.

[lon515]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Its not arcade that is why I fell like live has a lot of promise. I prefer sim but I think live has a lot of promise because the way guys move looks and fells more realistic then 2k and the crowd audio is better then 2k. Also you can get fouled on jump shoots including 3 pointers something that just dosnt happend in 2k and you can drawl more charges in nba live then 2k. Those are all things I fell like live does better then 2k and are all sim things not arcade. The problem with live is franchise mode needs to be a lot better and things like to many blocks, cpu not shooting enough 3 pointers, cpu playing guys to many minutes and not calling time outs are all problems that need to be worked on.

Everyone has an opinion. However when it comes player movement looking better in live than 2k I feel pretty confident everyone on this website will agree that 2ks player movement is miles better. Live having bad player movement is probably the single biggest complaint of the game if you look at any review of it. Heck the live developers are quoted saying they know player movement looks weird and really don't know how to fix it.

Sidenote: To the others who recently responded to my past comments, I agree with your responses, I didn't want to quote your comment into this one to keep this as short as possible.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I think you mean animations, not player movement right?

[CujoMatty]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I think you mean animations, not player movement right?

Ya I definitely wouldn’t agree on player movement. They are both good but I think it’s better in live. Players cut with weight and just generally feel more responsive. Animations though 2k is better for sure.