NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

[Klocker]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Everyone has an opinion. However when it comes player movement looking better in live than 2k I feel pretty confident everyone on this website will agree that 2ks player movement is miles better. Live having bad player movement is probably the single biggest complaint of the game if you look at any review of it. Heck the live developers are quoted saying they know player movement looks weird and really don't know how to fix it.

Sidenote: To the others who recently responded to my past comments, I agree with your responses, I didn't want to quote your comment into this one to keep this as short as possible.

When I shelved the game six months ago or so the player movement was so bad it made me cringe. They had people going up for rebounds and doing 180s in air for rebounds and such.


Trying it again a month or two ago, it is miles different and the most smooth and integrated movement I have ever seen in the game. It really has been improved since the first fee months or more of growing pains

[lon515]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Live has the worst player movement of any AAA sports game released this gen.
Nba 2k, fifa, pes, madden, ufc, mlb the show, nhl all have way better player movement. Lives biggest hurdle it has and why it cant slowly chip away at the 2k fanbase is the player movement.

Yea the animations are also more bare bones than any sports game on this gen too, but the animations they do have are not anything close to a realistic gate pattern at all.

If we can't agree on that then live will never improve because the player movement is unacceptable for a major game of this generation.

I'm an Occupational Therapist I literally work on reteaching the brain natrual body movement after a traumatic experience. Natural player movement is one of the first things I notice in any video game lol.

[illwill10]

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I still think it would be a good idea for EA to be more transparent. They still haven't "officially" came out and said anything about Live 20. We shouldn't had to rely on Polygon to see the financial report to put it together that the game was delayed. Even if it was just something "While we are excited about Live 20 and are hard at work, we want to explore a different approach with this year. So unfortunately, the game will release at a later date that will announced in the near future. But don't worry, we are determined to put out a high quality that you the fans expect." Something like that would help

[Smallville102001]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

When I shelved the game six months ago or so the player movement was so bad it made me cringe. They had people going up for rebounds and doing 180s in air for rebounds and such.


Trying it again a month or two ago, it is miles different and the most smooth and integrated movement I have ever seen in the game. It really has been improved since the first fee months or more of growing pains

I wasn't talking about all the animations and like rebounds and such I mean the simple running movement. People say that 2k looks like players skating on ice. I never felt that way but I do think live looks and fells more realistic when it comes to that part. Over all animations though 2k is better for sure.

[lareka]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Live has the worst player movement of any AAA sports game released this gen.
Nba 2k, fifa, pes, madden, ufc, mlb the show, nhl all have way better player movement. Lives biggest hurdle it has and why it cant slowly chip away at the 2k fanbase is the player movement.

Yea the animations are also more bare bones than any sports game on this gen too, but the animations they do have are not anything close to a realistic gate pattern at all.

If we can't agree on that then live will never improve because the player movement is unacceptable for a major game of this generation.

I'm an Occupational Therapist I literally work on reteaching the brain natrual body movement after a traumatic experience. Natural player movement is one of the first things I notice in any video game lol.

Did you check the game like in June?

[BQ32]

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Did you check the game like in June?

Why even bother with comments like that, obviously he never had substantial playing time with it. Probably popped on the demo for a min, realized it felt way different than 2k and decided to profess his hatred for it. There are still some weird looking legacy animations in there but the actual way the players move, respond to directional input, and chain together moves are actually more realistic than the other game. So a comment like this is just a fan boy wasting people's time.

[jerwoods]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

we need both games

live one mode and steet stuff is good they just need to make a better fra mode

[ILLSmak]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Live has the worst player movement of any AAA sports game released this gen.
Nba 2k, fifa, pes, madden, ufc, mlb the show, nhl all have way better player movement. Lives biggest hurdle it has and why it cant slowly chip away at the 2k fanbase is the player movement.

Yea the animations are also more bare bones than any sports game on this gen too, but the animations they do have are not anything close to a realistic gate pattern at all.

If we can't agree on that then live will never improve because the player movement is unacceptable for a major game of this generation.

I'm an Occupational Therapist I literally work on reteaching the brain natrual body movement after a traumatic experience. Natural player movement is one of the first things I notice in any video game lol.

You're not wrong, in part, but keep in mind that control and 'people moving realistically' are mutually exclusive. If you don't want wonky, choppy animations then you need to have a game where the animations finish themselves out and sometimes you end up pressing pass but the guy doesn't pass it until the animation finishes.



This will always be the case until they somehow make each step a branching animation, and unfort that seems pretty far in the future.



There are definitely some nitpicks I have about Live, just the online side because that's all I play, but I don't think what you mentioned bothers me that much. It's 'different', but like I said go into 1 v 1 and be like... Kyrie vs Steph or whatever and just watch the way a cross over works. It's kind of beautiful. Crossing into a drive, into a stop and step back is also beautiful. It doesn't feel 'wrong', but there are a lot of little weird things that annoy me that I've kind of just shrugged off.



You ARE right in that the care 2k has shown in break sequences, guys at the FT line, the close up of guy's faces after they make a shot, that all is really immersive, but the actual player movement when you use the sticks (not just the way they make people move up and down the court or the animations it goes into when you press a button) is pretty equal if not a slight bit better on Live.



Really this delay is catastrophic. I have not had the whole of my brain free to think about Live's plight, but thinking about it now, this is crazy stuff. I don't understand how Live fails so hard. It's like you think they are finally turning the corner then they blow it again. haha. But hopefully they have something good, like I said PUT IN RANKED TEAM PLAY. That alone will get way more people to play. All the really good players play in leagues or private games cuz everyone quits when they play vs randoms and end up up 16-2 in the beginning.



Ranked team play is what is gonna satisfy me from Live, and an archetype based grind free (w/ preset chars, etc etc, 1000th time posting that) mode in 2k is what is gonna make me want to pick up their game, again. It's starting to seem like I'm just gonna have to play old stuff vs the cpu when I get a bball jones at a weird hour.



-Smak

[lareka]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Why even bother with comments like that, obviously he never had substantial playing time with it. Probably popped on the demo for a min, realized it felt way different than 2k and decided to profess his hatred for it. There are still some weird looking legacy animations in there but the actual way the players move, respond to directional input, and chain together moves are actually more realistic than the other game. So a comment like this is just a fan boy wasting people's time.

Yeah and the gameplay changed drastically in 9 months since the release. I just wanted to make sure he played the game at least 1 week ago and still commenting this bs? The player movement is pretty good right now in NBA Live 19. I don't understand being a "fan" of a game and defending it to the fullest. I played Nba 2K since 2006. But last 2-3 years i'm not liking the game. I was a big fan of their game because i liked the product, i'm not liking what they are doing last 3 years so i'm criticising them but for people if they liked a game from day 1, they become fans of that forever... They are totally subjective. Why should I be subjective? It's 60 $ i'm throwing at, i'll play what i like and i'll defend it if it does a good job for me. If not, to hell with it.

I quit playing both Live19 and 2K19 in December, then came back to test 2K again in April, didn't like it again, deleted it again and checked live in May and I loved their last gameplay changes and enjoying it since then.(Franchise mode only)

[drugsbunny]

They should have done the same for Madden 20. They should have waited another month or 2 in order to flush out the nonsenual bugs and lack of anything innovative that made it worth releasing when it did. I enjoyed Live 19 until around the 4th patch. I just wish they would have taken the entire 2k19 control scheme. Why skimp on what worked. They took most of it but stopped at the areas where it mattered. I don't mind waiting.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I mean, its definitely subjective...they did a great job of patching all those long plants for momenteum/ pull up shots.

The beauty in Live's movement is facing a HUM opponent IMO, a lot more action/consequence is involved and it feels mostly fair..which is why I really enjoy Live Run. The way AI defense is set up makes me not want to play offline at all though, its like all those principles go out the window. I'm even wary when I get matched up against a Reggie Jackson bot in Live Run with my 7 footer, lol

I feel like dribbling took a step back this year too....and to me, its where Live had been king for a while. I loved the 1:1 nature of the dribble stick, but now it's like it has load times and a lot of dead spots if you dont do an exact combination. Doing thing's like tight crosses after coming around a screen on a retreating center just feel clunky to me. Feels like your too tied to the rock, paper, scissors mechanic of getting past your defender to really be creative.

[lareka]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

I mean, its definitely subjective...they did a great job of patching all those long plants for momenteum/ pull up shots.

The beauty in Live's movement is facing a HUM opponent IMO, a lot more action/consequence is involved and it feels mostly fair..which is why I really enjoy Live Run. The way AI defense is set up makes me not want to play offline at all though, its like all those principles go out the window. I'm even wary when I get matched up against a Reggie Jackson bot in Live Run with my 7 footer, lol

I feel like dribbling took a step back this year too....and to me, its where Live had been king for a while. I loved the 1:1 nature of the dribble stick, but now it's like it has load times and a lot of dead spots if you dont do an exact combination. Doing thing's like tight crosses after coming around a screen on a retreating center just feel clunky to me. Feels like your too tied to the rock, paper, scissors mechanic of getting past your defender to really be creative.

About creativity in dribbling you are right. There are certain limits to what you can do and what you can't do. Some moves work, some don't. Last year it was more free, now it's more set, you know if it's going to work or not.

The biggest - for me is not being able to adjust CPU's tendencies. Like they go to the post 90 % of the game and forget about 3 point attempts at all and they tend to play through their star way too often and etc.
It would be nice to fix those but i'm glad that you can actually find a realistic solution to the foul rate when driving and how shot contest affects shots and etc., you can be at a great ground with right sliders, that thing matters to me a lot, in 2K it was hard to find a balance with sliders, i was never happy in nba 2k19, either not getting enough calls or getting too many calls or missing easy lay-ups with light contest

[lon515]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Why even bother with comments like that, obviously he never had substantial playing time with it. Probably popped on the demo for a min, realized it felt way different than 2k and decided to profess his hatred for it. There are still some weird looking legacy animations in there but the actual way the players move, respond to directional input, and chain together moves are actually more realistic than the other game. So a comment like this is just a fan boy wasting people's time.

Where in any of my comments did I say I hated the game. I clearly said I like playing the game better than 2k. HOWEVER because I like something doesn't mean I am biased to it. If you truly like something then you can point out it's flaws.

I bought the game full price, not when it was on sale for 2 dollars, I guaranteed I played the game more than you I have 3 online players over 96 ovr.


Because you can't be objective don't direct your animus towards me. Basketball isn't my favorite sport so id rather play an arcade basketball game, which is why I enjoy live more.

Just because I enjoy something more, doesn't mean it's innately better, step out of your own world and come to reality the player movement is wonky and makes the game look ugly, but the arcadey gameplay makes it a fun game to play.

[Riyaad92]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

Is WTF_OS still around? I know he's a gamechanger he might know something?

[Daddy123]

Re: NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

"They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff. " Isn't it the same for 2K too ? What do you think?

I would disagree, 2K constantly brings new things to the gameplay whether its animations or other changes. They do market Neighborhood and MyPark more but they also work on gameplay and give us updates.

Live has mostly switched their market towards the online related things.

One place I will give Live credit is that they do update game art and even the other updates have been better this year than in the past.


My overall point is that right now no matter what they do, 2K will have the better gameplay and that is to be expected with the foundation they have. Live can take advantage by making better modes and they have dropped the ball on most of the things outside of online street.

There is no reason Live can't have a great franchise mode, etc etc.