Re: Please explain

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Please explain

The bitching is annoying to be honest with you. If you don't like the game, don't post about it. The game's been out for awhile now. Long enough for everyone to have gotten this constant nagging out of their system. Every post reads the same way. I've read them, but tried to ignore them for the most part. There's no debate- you either like it or don't. Wait for the next release or play 2K5, Street, CH, MM or whatever floats your boat.

But it seems some of you post just to knock Pared or bait him into an argument. The games that I paid money for but don't like and don't play anymore, I don't post about them. I don't complain about them 3-4 months after its release. It's pointless and childish.

Some people enjoy this game for what it is. I still enjoy it but don't play it because of time constraints. Still can't stand 2K5, but you won't catch me dead posting in that forum like a broken record. Some of you are starting to sound like the 12 year olds on release day.

Duece, I thought Pared gave you some practical advice. Did it help any?

[bigeastbumrush]

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The bitching is annoying to be honest with you. If you don't like the game, don't post about it. The game's been out for awhile now. Long enough for everyone to have gotten this constant nagging out of their system. Every post reads the same way. I've read them, but tried to ignore them for the most part. There's no debate- you either like it or don't. Wait for the next release or play 2K5, Street, CH, MM or whatever floats your boat.

But it seems some of you post just to knock Pared or bait him into an argument. The games that I paid money for but don't like and don't play anymore, I don't post about them. I don't complain about them 3-4 months after its release. It's pointless and childish.

Some people enjoy this game for what it is. I still enjoy it but don't play it because of time constraints. Still can't stand 2K5, but you won't catch me dead posting in that forum like a broken record. Some of you are starting to sound like the 12 year olds on release day.

Duece, I thought Pared gave you some practical advice. Did it help any?

[Playmakers]

Re: Please explain

The bitching is annoying to be honest with you. If you don't like the game, don't post about it. The game's been out for awhile now. Long enough for everyone to have gotten this constant nagging out of their system. Every post reads the same way. I've read them, but tried to ignore them for the most part. There's no debate- you either like it or don't. Wait for the next release or play 2K5, Street, CH, MM or whatever floats your boat.

But it seems some of you post just to knock Pared or bait him into an argument. The games that I paid money for but don't like and don't play anymore, I don't post about them. I don't complain about them 3-4 months after its release. It's pointless and childish.

Some people enjoy this game for what it is. I still enjoy it but don't play it because of time constraints. Still can't stand 2K5, but you won't catch me dead posting in that forum like a broken record. Some of you are starting to sound like the 12 year olds on release day.

Duece, I thought Pared gave you some practical advice. Did it help any?

I would have to agree with you on this subject. Live is not perfect but it is a very entertaining game of basketball. It has flaws but not enough to stop me from enjoying it. Most guy's keep wanting these perfect sports titles and reality is it just isn't going to happen.

[Playmakers]

Re: Please explain

The bitching is annoying to be honest with you. If you don't like the game, don't post about it. The game's been out for awhile now. Long enough for everyone to have gotten this constant nagging out of their system. Every post reads the same way. I've read them, but tried to ignore them for the most part. There's no debate- you either like it or don't. Wait for the next release or play 2K5, Street, CH, MM or whatever floats your boat.

But it seems some of you post just to knock Pared or bait him into an argument. The games that I paid money for but don't like and don't play anymore, I don't post about them. I don't complain about them 3-4 months after its release. It's pointless and childish.

Some people enjoy this game for what it is. I still enjoy it but don't play it because of time constraints. Still can't stand 2K5, but you won't catch me dead posting in that forum like a broken record. Some of you are starting to sound like the 12 year olds on release day.

Duece, I thought Pared gave you some practical advice. Did it help any?

I would have to agree with you on this subject. Live is not perfect but it is a very entertaining game of basketball. It has flaws but not enough to stop me from enjoying it. Most guy's keep wanting these perfect sports titles and reality is it just isn't going to happen.

[DueceDiggla]

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Duece, I thought Pared gave you some practical advice. Did it help any?

I think I may have changed my mind. I would often pop in the game when I was really bored hoping that something would change and the game would be great. I'm a Net fan, and when they acquired Carter I was pumped to play Live with VC on the team. I put the game in, played about 2 quarters and quit after the frustration and boredom set in. I tried this about 7 times in the last two months, and thats why I decided to make the original post.

Last night I was up at 3am wide awake so I decided to pop it back in. I changed the shooting to CPU, so my release wouldn't affect the shot. I also really started using Freestyle smarter. I would usually stick with the crossovers when it came to Freestyling, but last night I started using it more before I dribbled, and it worked great. To make a long story short, I played 3 full games in a row!!!! I would've played more, but it was 6am and I needed to get some sleep in. I wouldn't say this is the greatest game in the world, but I was having a much better time then I would usually have, and I think the biggest part of it was putting the shot on auto release. One game against the Bucks, I was even driving past their scrub PG's without having to Freestyle, which to me was a shocker.

All in all the game is fun for me now. I played three games and lost all three, but the game didn't play bad at all other then the lack of fastbreaks due to the AI speed. But, I was able to look past that.


I just found it strange that it took 5 months or so to start liking this game.


BTW, I did rent ESPN two weeks ago, thinking that maybe I didn't give that game a fair try when it first came out. I played it but I wasn't feeling it. Good game, but just not the kind of game I'm looking for.

[DueceDiggla]

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Duece, I thought Pared gave you some practical advice. Did it help any?

I think I may have changed my mind. I would often pop in the game when I was really bored hoping that something would change and the game would be great. I'm a Net fan, and when they acquired Carter I was pumped to play Live with VC on the team. I put the game in, played about 2 quarters and quit after the frustration and boredom set in. I tried this about 7 times in the last two months, and thats why I decided to make the original post.

Last night I was up at 3am wide awake so I decided to pop it back in. I changed the shooting to CPU, so my release wouldn't affect the shot. I also really started using Freestyle smarter. I would usually stick with the crossovers when it came to Freestyling, but last night I started using it more before I dribbled, and it worked great. To make a long story short, I played 3 full games in a row!!!! I would've played more, but it was 6am and I needed to get some sleep in. I wouldn't say this is the greatest game in the world, but I was having a much better time then I would usually have, and I think the biggest part of it was putting the shot on auto release. One game against the Bucks, I was even driving past their scrub PG's without having to Freestyle, which to me was a shocker.

All in all the game is fun for me now. I played three games and lost all three, but the game didn't play bad at all other then the lack of fastbreaks due to the AI speed. But, I was able to look past that.


I just found it strange that it took 5 months or so to start liking this game.


BTW, I did rent ESPN two weeks ago, thinking that maybe I didn't give that game a fair try when it first came out. I played it but I wasn't feeling it. Good game, but just not the kind of game I'm looking for.

[DueceDiggla]

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About the playsets. I tried using some of the plays, but the way my guys pass to each other in certain situations, makes it very difficult to perform the play. For instance, I'm at the top of the key behind the 3 point line with Kidd, and Carter is a little off to the side of me wide open. Instead of passing to him for a wide open 3, Kidd throws a 3 foot lob pass that is so slow it allows the defender to get back to Carter on time. Playing last night, I saw this alot and it was pretty annoying. The blocked shots on 17 footers were also really annoying, but I was having so much fun with everything else in the game, I didn't mind it as much.

[DueceDiggla]

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About the playsets. I tried using some of the plays, but the way my guys pass to each other in certain situations, makes it very difficult to perform the play. For instance, I'm at the top of the key behind the 3 point line with Kidd, and Carter is a little off to the side of me wide open. Instead of passing to him for a wide open 3, Kidd throws a 3 foot lob pass that is so slow it allows the defender to get back to Carter on time. Playing last night, I saw this alot and it was pretty annoying. The blocked shots on 17 footers were also really annoying, but I was having so much fun with everything else in the game, I didn't mind it as much.

[SonicMage]

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I would have to agree with you on this subject. Live is not perfect but it is a very entertaining game of basketball. It has flaws but not enough to stop me from enjoying it. Most guy's keep wanting these perfect sports titles and reality is it just isn't going to happen.

That's great, it doesnt stop you from enjoying it. But it frustrates me and others who think this game has potential but want something more. In all truthfulness, it is you guys who should not be posting because you could potentially be holding this game back from the improvements that some of us need for it to be more enjoyable than it already is. Then we can all enjoy this series even more.

This is not a game where you can make the argument of "whats done is done, its released, cant go back and fix it". Its not a completed game, its a work in progress, with a new version being released every year.

You can settle for something pretty good or you can fight for something great. I would rather do the latter.

[SonicMage]

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I would have to agree with you on this subject. Live is not perfect but it is a very entertaining game of basketball. It has flaws but not enough to stop me from enjoying it. Most guy's keep wanting these perfect sports titles and reality is it just isn't going to happen.

That's great, it doesnt stop you from enjoying it. But it frustrates me and others who think this game has potential but want something more. In all truthfulness, it is you guys who should not be posting because you could potentially be holding this game back from the improvements that some of us need for it to be more enjoyable than it already is. Then we can all enjoy this series even more.

This is not a game where you can make the argument of "whats done is done, its released, cant go back and fix it". Its not a completed game, its a work in progress, with a new version being released every year.

You can settle for something pretty good or you can fight for something great. I would rather do the latter.

[Court_vision]

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That's great, it doesnt stop you from enjoying it. But it frustrates me and others who think this game has potential but want something more. In all truthfulness, it is you guys who should not be posting because you could potentially be holding this game back from the improvements that some of us need for it to be more enjoyable than it already is. Then we can all enjoy this series even more.

This is not a game where you can make the argument of "whats done is done, its released, cant go back and fix it". Its not a completed game, its a work in progress, with a new version being released every year.

You can settle for something pretty good or you can fight for something great. I would rather do the latter.

Bingo

Two things that I know are fact:

1. The team was not even going to address the rebounding issue in LIVE 04. It was only due to (quote) "substantial" negative feedback that they did.

2. Exactly the same with the mid range game. The Live team "reluctantly" addressed this, again, due to a lot of negative response.

Of course, post release we found this was BS anyway. Their much publicised "we have added a mid range game" stuff...actually turned out to be a nice "white lie" in that all they did was change the CPU AI slightly so that the pro hop / constant driving of LIVE04 was coded so that cpu ai players now pulled up and shot.

The words "added a mid range game" nicely inferred that screen plays, catch and shooting etc was added...when in fact, nothing was added. The code was simply slightly changed.

Trust me on this one

Anyways, the reality is that most LIVE forums feature 100 posts saying "wow, VC can dunk like he really can" and 100 "wow, Corey Maggette has his correct headband on!"...for every one post that highlights that fast breaks don't work and that all teams play the same...and that there's no authentic nba plays in the game...etc etc.

It's just the way it is...and Sonic, the fella's are right...me and you arguing for a better LIVE (a LIVE that actually reaches the standard of Madden, real coaches play books etc etc etc) won't change anything.

LIVE is LIVE. Aimed at the 10-14 crowd out of the box and just flexible enough for "hard core" guys to spend 3 months tweaking everything imaginable in the hope they can get a fast break to work.

Nothings going to change until...maybe...the next gen machines.

But then again, EA said that before Xbox1 came out

Side note: why all the generalizations as to guys who post negatively? Personally, I gave up on LIVE 2 months back. I think I've made about 5 or 6 posts about the game in that time. That's about 20 minutes of my (work ) time.

And yet guys who spend hours tweaking rosters / sliders way into February are saying "don't say anything negative about this game"...Crazy.

Fella's...this is what we are trying to avoid. Me and Sonic and most other guys giving up on the game after a few weeks + guys like you having to tear your hair out fixing EA's "oversights" year after year.

Is it too much to hope for a basketball game where fast breaks work...lol...come on, the series is a decade old. It's *not* too much to expect.

[Court_vision]

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That's great, it doesnt stop you from enjoying it. But it frustrates me and others who think this game has potential but want something more. In all truthfulness, it is you guys who should not be posting because you could potentially be holding this game back from the improvements that some of us need for it to be more enjoyable than it already is. Then we can all enjoy this series even more.

This is not a game where you can make the argument of "whats done is done, its released, cant go back and fix it". Its not a completed game, its a work in progress, with a new version being released every year.

You can settle for something pretty good or you can fight for something great. I would rather do the latter.

Bingo

Two things that I know are fact:

1. The team was not even going to address the rebounding issue in LIVE 04. It was only due to (quote) "substantial" negative feedback that they did.

2. Exactly the same with the mid range game. The Live team "reluctantly" addressed this, again, due to a lot of negative response.

Of course, post release we found this was BS anyway. Their much publicised "we have added a mid range game" stuff...actually turned out to be a nice "white lie" in that all they did was change the CPU AI slightly so that the pro hop / constant driving of LIVE04 was coded so that cpu ai players now pulled up and shot.

The words "added a mid range game" nicely inferred that screen plays, catch and shooting etc was added...when in fact, nothing was added. The code was simply slightly changed.

Trust me on this one

Anyways, the reality is that most LIVE forums feature 100 posts saying "wow, VC can dunk like he really can" and 100 "wow, Corey Maggette has his correct headband on!"...for every one post that highlights that fast breaks don't work and that all teams play the same...and that there's no authentic nba plays in the game...etc etc.

It's just the way it is...and Sonic, the fella's are right...me and you arguing for a better LIVE (a LIVE that actually reaches the standard of Madden, real coaches play books etc etc etc) won't change anything.

LIVE is LIVE. Aimed at the 10-14 crowd out of the box and just flexible enough for "hard core" guys to spend 3 months tweaking everything imaginable in the hope they can get a fast break to work.

Nothings going to change until...maybe...the next gen machines.

But then again, EA said that before Xbox1 came out

Side note: why all the generalizations as to guys who post negatively? Personally, I gave up on LIVE 2 months back. I think I've made about 5 or 6 posts about the game in that time. That's about 20 minutes of my (work ) time.

And yet guys who spend hours tweaking rosters / sliders way into February are saying "don't say anything negative about this game"...Crazy.

Fella's...this is what we are trying to avoid. Me and Sonic and most other guys giving up on the game after a few weeks + guys like you having to tear your hair out fixing EA's "oversights" year after year.

Is it too much to hope for a basketball game where fast breaks work...lol...come on, the series is a decade old. It's *not* too much to expect.

[Pared]

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And yet guys who spend hours tweaking rosters / sliders way into February are saying "don't say anything negative about this game"...Crazy.

Many other responses, yet you reply to only that one.

Anyway, I'd like to see where the same individuals making the same points I am are "tweaking rosters/sliders into February."

[Pared]

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And yet guys who spend hours tweaking rosters / sliders way into February are saying "don't say anything negative about this game"...Crazy.

Many other responses, yet you reply to only that one.

Anyway, I'd like to see where the same individuals making the same points I am are "tweaking rosters/sliders into February."

[Court_vision]

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Many other responses, yet you reply to only that one.

Anyway, I'd like to see where the same individuals making the same points I am are "tweaking rosters/sliders into February."

I think Sonic adressed the other responses capably. If you read my reply, you'd see I agree with him.

Look...I know you love this series to the point of semi worship. That's fair enough. But it's a decade old basketball series and there's still basic flaws like fast breaks not working. A decade is a long time bro. I should know,having played them all since Lakers v C's

The series hasn't evolved to anywhere near the level of the football series. Sad, but true.

Again, I am probably beating my head against a wall here. EA knows the football market is more "mature", so I guess that's why they get a better game. Can you even imagine if they gave the football crowd a game without play books...

Horses for courses as they say.