***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

[doncoryell]

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Piper, I tried raising the 3pt tendency slider from 42 to 50 and only got a small increase in 3pt shots taken, but I also saw the 3pt% go up a bunch. I'll leave it as it is.

I tried raising the steal slider from 10 to 15 and again the difference was only slight.

I didn't see enough blocks so I am going to try raising it from 60 to 70.

I saw during the previous 6 game test that the ft% was in the 80% range so I lowered the ft success from 1 to 0. The next 6 game test showed a dramatic decrease in ft%. URI was around 69% and the opponents were around 65%.

[doncoryell]

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Merry X-mas to all and to all a happy, safe and healthy new year.

[OSUPiper]

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I also raised Block to 70 again. I also bumped Inside Range, MR tendency, and 3 tendency up 1, and dropped Layup back to 37 where I had it before. I had a guy with Close FG% = 92 go 4 of 11. I am not saying that he shouldn't, just that I do not want to penalize a team's inside game.

My 3pFG% is looking pretty good but I would like to generate a few more shots frmo outside. I also like some of the pull up jumpers I am getting after raising the MR tendency, so I think I will keep that one moving in that direction.

Before these changes I was seeing FG% consistently in the 46-52% range and 3pFG% at a high of 55%, low of 0%, and averaging around 40%. Both %s are too high for my targets, but the defense in these early games has been bad, so I am not concerned. I believe over the course of 30 games, these should fall in line. This is based on my previous test legacy with power teams.

donc -
I mainly mention everything above b/c I know you are looking for more real life stats and currently these are very close I think, but I also think they could drop over the course of a season.

[doncoryell]

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I also raised Block to 70 again. I also bumped Inside Range, MR tendency, and 3 tendency up 1, and dropped Layup back to 37 where I had it before. I had a guy with Close FG% = 92 go 4 of 11. I am not saying that he shouldn't, just that I do not want to penalize a team's inside game.

My 3pFG% is looking pretty good but I would like to generate a few more shots frmo outside. I also like some of the pull up jumpers I am getting after raising the MR tendency, so I think I will keep that one moving in that direction.

Before these changes I was seeing FG% consistently in the 46-52% range and 3pFG% at a high of 55%, low of 0%, and averaging around 40%. Both %s are too high for my targets, but the defense in these early games has been bad, so I am not concerned. I believe over the course of 30 games, these should fall in line. This is based on my previous test legacy with power teams.

donc -
I mainly mention everything above b/c I know you are looking for more real life stats and currently these are very close I think, but I also think they could drop over the course of a season.

It could have been just a bad matchup for the player as to why he only went 4-11.

More times than not you should be seeing FG% somewheres in the 42-52% range. The 3pFG% range can be sporatic at times. Both percentages depend greatly on the individual matchups in each game. For example, in real life Florida Atlantic shot 9.1% (1-11) from 3pt range, URI shot 35% (7-20). URI came back the next game, against Brown, and shot 25% (3-12) while Brown was 42.1% (8-19).

I know that with 2k6 you had the 3pt tendency at 10 (out of 20) and the drive tendency was 15 (out of 20). They convert to a 3pt tendency of 50 and a drive tendency of 75 in 2k8. With your 3pt tendency currently at 43 (up 1 from 42) have you considered lowering the drive tendency? My guess is that it would probably be set around 65-70. I'm not sure if that would lead to more outside shooting but we can always test that.

Because teams have now played at least, or close to, 43% of the season (12 out of 28), that is twice the size as my beginning sample. Over the course of the season we should be seeing decreases in both FG% and 3pt% due to more shots being thrown up, but we could also see spurts where the percentages may go up a little because of a particular game's matchups.

Thanks for keeping me posted on what you are seeing.

[OSUPiper]

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It could have been just a bad matchup for the player as to why he only went 4-11.

Yes, and I also didn't pay much attention to his O Awareness and where he took those shots. I am not worried yet.

More times than not you should be seeing FG% somewheres in the 42-52% range. The 3pFG% range can be sporatic at times. Both percentages depend greatly on the individual matchups in each game. For example, in real life Florida Atlantic shot 9.1% (1-11) from 3pt range, URI shot 35% (7-20). URI came back the next game, against Brown, and shot 25% (3-12) while Brown was 42.1% (8-19).

I know that with 2k6 you had the 3pt tendency at 10 (out of 20) and the drive tendency was 15 (out of 20). They convert to a 3pt tendency of 50 and a drive tendency of 75 in 2k8. With your 3pt tendency currently at 43 (up 1 from 42) have you considered lowering the drive tendency? My guess is that it would probably be set around 65-70. I'm not sure if that would lead to more outside shooting but we can always test that.

Because teams have now played at least, or close to, 43% of the season (12 out of 28), that is twice the size as my beginning sample. Over the course of the season we should be seeing decreases in both FG% and 3pt% due to more shots being thrown up, but we could also see spurts where the percentages may go up a little because of a particular game's matchups.

Thanks for keeping me posted on what you are seeing.

I agree with you, and it is interesting to see how my tendencies have gravitated so much toward 2k6. However, in 2k6 midrange shots went up even with that tendency at 0. In 2k8, that is how close range shots work, while midrange shots are hard to come by.

What I have seen is that with drive at about 75, guys break to the basket if they think they can get a step on the defender AND if they naturally have a tendency to drive. Players with high drive tendencies will force the issue and get to the FT line. As I move MR tendency up, I am seeing more pullup jumpers. I also see shots when the post player kicks it out. These are the shots I was not seeing earlier.

Now it is a matter of tweaking to see if I can get the right mix of all those shots. Right now I do not see it, but I am only 4 games into my new legacy. These sliders should not change much, b/c I forged them on three levels of teams in legacy mode, then tested and tweaked, and you have tested them independently with your own playstyle. I expect when I get to conference play, I will be seeing more defensive halfcourt battle with a few scorefests mixed in, which is what I expect with my coaching style.

[doncoryell]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

Yes, and I also didn't pay much attention to his O Awareness and where he took those shots. I am not worried yet.


I agree with you, and it is interesting to see how my tendencies have gravitated so much toward 2k6. However, in 2k6 midrange shots went up even with that tendency at 0. In 2k8, that is how close range shots work, while midrange shots are hard to come by.

What I have seen is that with drive at about 75, guys break to the basket if they think they can get a step on the defender AND if they naturally have a tendency to drive. Players with high drive tendencies will force the issue and get to the FT line. As I move MR tendency up, I am seeing more pullup jumpers. I also see shots when the post player kicks it out. These are the shots I was not seeing earlier.

Now it is a matter of tweaking to see if I can get the right mix of all those shots. Right now I do not see it, but I am only 4 games into my new legacy. These sliders should not change much, b/c I forged them on three levels of teams in legacy mode, then tested and tweaked, and you have tested them independently with your own playstyle. I expect when I get to conference play, I will be seeing more defensive halfcourt battle with a few scorefests mixed in, which is what I expect with my coaching style.

I have started a new test legacy with URI with the adjustments you had made (inside range, mid & 3pt tendencies all +1 plus the block slider at 70) plus drop the drive tendency from 75 to 70. I chosed URI because their 6-game schedule consisted of 2 small colleges, 1 mid-major college, 1 major college and 2 power colleges plus it is set up as 3 road and 3 home games. I just have to make sure that I change the games against USF, Stetson and UAB to a neutral site. Those three games were played at a court in Daytona Beach, Florida, which I couldn't find in the game. Those are part of the Glenn Wilkes Classic. I am also just watching the game, rather than coach, so that I can see the action and see how the sliders react with the coach's sliders. This gives me a better view to compare results.

The mixing of the shots will change over the course of the season as well because the matchups will be different each game. One game you may see a team only put up between 5-10 3pt shots and then come back the next game and shoot between 15-20 (or even higher) 3pt shots.

[OSUPiper]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

The mixing of the shots will change over the course of the season as well because the matchups will be different each game. One game you may see a team only put up between 5-10 3pt shots and then come back the next game and shoot between 15-20 (or even higher) 3pt shots.

I have noticed that and I think that is great. My team will shoot about 10 3s in a normal game if there is some inside success, but against one small school that played no defense, we got 21 attempts off and hit 10. The next game we were 0-9.

I fell pretty good about these. I am at the point where I just want to make sure that one type of offense is not dominant.

[jwhite1347]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

Great work guys - So can someone post what looks like becoming a final set? I assume these are still only working for the PS2 not next gen?

[doncoryell]

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After the first four games of my latest test legacy (with the drive tendency @ 70), I again saw the 3pta increase a little and the 3pt% jump. I have stopped the test.

I also saw that even if you change the game from the home team's home court to a neutral court, it still has the sixth man on just the home team's side.

[OSUPiper]

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Great work guys - So can someone post what looks like becoming a final set? I assume these are still only working for the PS2 not next gen?

GAMEPLAY
Mode:          Simulation
Level:         All-Conference
Speed:         Fast************
Half Length:   20 minutes******
Sim Half Ln:   20 minutes
Real FT%:      Off
Clutch:        On
 
RULES
All Settings:     On
All Other Fouls:  MAX
1-and-1           4 fouls
Double Bonus      7 fouls
Foul Out          4 fouls******
 
PRESENTATION:
Cut Scenes:    On
GAME SLIDERS
Shooting (100 max)
Inside           50
Mid Range        45
3pt              54
Dunk Success     50
Layup Success    37
FT Success        1
 
Tendencies (100 max)
Close             0
Mid              50
3pt              43
Drive            75
 
Attributes (100 max)
O Awareness      30
D Awareness      50
Dunk             25
Ball Handling    90
O Rebounding     95
D Rebounding     50
Block            70
Steal            10
Speed            40
 
Gameplay (100 max)
Screen Success   70
Screen Strength  65
Steal Success     0
Dunk in Traffic   3
Help Defense     65
Help Recovery    53
Fitness (100 max)
Fatigue Rate     57
Recovery Rate    63
Injury Freq      46
Injury Effect    53

I am pretty sure this is where I am so far. I am not in front of the TV so I don't know for sure, but these are probably correct. Let us know what you think.

[doncoryell]

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I think that I found the ft% was way too high (in mid-lower 80% possibly higher) and dropped the ft success slider from 1 to 0. The ft% fell back in line after I made that change.

Have you tried that, piper?

[OSUPiper]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

I think that I found the ft% was way too high (in mid-lower 80% possibly higher) and dropped the ft success slider from 1 to 0. The ft% fell back in line after I made that change.

Have you tried that, piper?

No, only b/c I am superstitious about that. In 2k6, I put FT=0 and FT% went markedly UP! After that, it takes a lot for me to put any slider at 0. And actually, I am getting pretty good results at 1, but my team may just suck at FTs.

[OSUPiper]

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I am also wondering if anyone has tried raising all of the players FOUL rating just before a game. In closed legacy this is not an option unfortunately, but I wonder if it would generate more fouls. Most players foul rating is in the 45-60 area in this game (out of 100).

[doncoryell]

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No, only b/c I am superstitious about that. In 2k6, I put FT=0 and FT% went markedly UP! After that, it takes a lot for me to put any slider at 0. And actually, I am getting pretty good results at 1, but my team may just suck at FTs.

Although you had the FT at 0, you also had the real FT% set to on. That allows the game to use the player's individual FT attribute.

[OSUPiper]

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Although you had the FT at 0, you also had the real FT% set to on. That allows the game to use the player's individual FT attribute.

True, but when testing I had it off to see if they would miss. I never saw any difference between Real FT On or OFF in 2k6.