***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

[cad4life]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

when changing and altering sliders do you guys make it a rule to keep human and cpu sliders the exact change. so a change in one would automatically trigger and change in the other.

[doncoryell]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

when changing and altering sliders do you guys make it a rule to keep human and cpu sliders the exact change. so a change in one would automatically trigger and change in the other.

With this game I tend to think of it more of a home/away sort of thing rather than a human/cpu thing, especially now with the "6th man" feature. The "6th man" feature should tend to even out any special advantages, if any, the human controlled team may have when the cpu coached team is at home.

I don't know if that answers your question or not.

I guess the answer for me would be yes, especially since we are just coaching the game and the console is controlling the players.

[OSUPiper]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

when changing and altering sliders do you guys make it a rule to keep human and cpu sliders the exact change. so a change in one would automatically trigger and change in the other.

I keep them exactly the same. I have no idea what the effect would be of having them separate. So far I have had good luck doing this.

[cad4life]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

I know we are using different generation systems but someone tell me if this is a problem and possible solutions. I have no problems with shot selections or any other game play issues everything seems to be perfect on the surface. my observation is I am shooting a 3pt% of .426 and my opponents against me is shooting .290. my .426 is good for 5th in the country. here is my significant 3point shooters using Texas State


white 7 for 10 .700
holder 38 for 69 .550
bush 11 for 28 .392
jefferson 8 for 24 .333
agwumaro 6 for 19 .315

the bottom 3 I don't really have a problem with. my numbers seem to be skewed by Holder. he is an 85 for a B with 3 pointers and seems to take most of my 3 pointers. I don't think white has enough shots for me to care at this point but Holder seems to be the person out of whack. I tried lowering the 3pt success and it doesn't really seem to affect my team because he is usually the one shooting but it does affect the cpu team. i just lower it by one and they can't seem to hit a 3 pointer. now it may not be an issue because it seems only one person on my team has great 3 point numbers but then again it may be a problem. I am guessing if I didn't have him for one the numbers wouldn't be skewed like that. I was just looking for some insight. this seems to be the only thing I can see as a problem. of course my opponent .290% puts me at about 5th in the nation also. I do play tight defense on the pg and sg. may have an affect. I could raise the 3 point % and maybe the cpu numbers will go up but I am worried that may make my numbers go up also and I dont want my 3point % going up. any suggestions or comments would be very helpful. thanks

[cad4life]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

also other observations. I play straight man to man with no one being doubled team. most of the cpu 3pointers are contested and I get quite a few wide open looks. maybe a lot to do with shot selection. I will be quiet now and wait on opinions.

[doncoryell]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

I know we are using different generation systems but someone tell me if this is a problem and possible solutions. I have no problems with shot selections or any other game play issues everything seems to be perfect on the surface. my observation is I am shooting a 3pt% of .426 and my opponents against me is shooting .290. my .426 is good for 5th in the country. here is my significant 3point shooters using Texas State


white 7 for 10 .700
holder 38 for 69 .550
bush 11 for 28 .392
jefferson 8 for 24 .333
agwumaro 6 for 19 .315

the bottom 3 I don't really have a problem with. my numbers seem to be skewed by Holder. he is an 85 for a B with 3 pointers and seems to take most of my 3 pointers. I don't think white has enough shots for me to care at this point but Holder seems to be the person out of whack. I tried lowering the 3pt success and it doesn't really seem to affect my team because he is usually the one shooting but it does affect the cpu team. i just lower it by one and they can't seem to hit a 3 pointer. now it may not be an issue because it seems only one person on my team has great 3 point numbers but then again it may be a problem. I am guessing if I didn't have him for one the numbers wouldn't be skewed like that. I was just looking for some insight. this seems to be the only thing I can see as a problem. of course my opponent .290% puts me at about 5th in the nation also. I do play tight defense on the pg and sg. may have an affect. I could raise the 3 point % and maybe the cpu numbers will go up but I am worried that may make my numbers go up also and I dont want my 3point % going up. any suggestions or comments would be very helpful. thanks

It all depends. Here is something that you can do. Go to Texas State's stats at their website (you can probably get a link from the Sun Belt's conference site: www.southland.org ) and take a look at their stats for the current season. If you've played less games then they have in real life you will have to jot down what they have done through the number of games that you have played so that you can compare them and make any adjustments to the sliders, if any.

Also, if you play a tight defense, it would probably lower the chance of a successful outside shot but it also raises the probability of the player driving to the hoop.

[OSUPiper]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

also other observations. I play straight man to man with no one being doubled team. most of the cpu 3pointers are contested and I get quite a few wide open looks. maybe a lot to do with shot selection. I will be quiet now and wait on opinions.

This is part of your issue. The other part might be shot tendencies.

As for the tight D issue, the "fair" way to play (that is, the basic principle I use when setting sliders) is that every strategy must have some balance, a risk-reward relationship. By playing tight D, what do you give up? If you do not foul any more in tight D or lose STAMINA more quickly, my solution is you are not allowed to play tight D. Another solution is for every man playing tight D you have to switch someone else to loose D to create a tradeoff. I know this sucks and hampers Coach Mode, but it will make the stats even out in some way and you will have a more challenging game.

If as donc suggests, tight D makes you subject to dribble-drives by opposing guards, then take a look and see if that REALLY happens in your games. If not, up the drive tendency and see if it starts happening.

Secondly, shot tendencies may be off for your game. Lowering 3 tendency and 3pFG% sliders might even the field a bit. Consider, opposing teams are taking 3s with a guy in their face already, so this will not greatly affect them. In comparison, a lower 3FG% for your team might bring things more in line.

Sliders should be set so that teams play to set up the hightest % shots they can get. It will not happen every time b/c the defense is trying to deny that shot. It becomes game theory, like a chess match. But if the CPU is launching shots that should not be the first option (ie - guarded 3s), then tweak the sliders until the CPU finds a way to consistently beat what you are doing (when the CPU SHOULD beat you of course, not every time). Do this, and you will have great sliders.

[doncoryell]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

If as donc suggests, tight D makes you subject to dribble-drives by opposing guards, then take a look and see if that REALLY happens in your games. If not, up the drive tendency and see if it starts happening.

That may not be happening, though. I did suggest that the defense would be more subjectable to more drives by the guards, or forwards for that matter, but that would be up to the player's individual shooting tendencies, NOT the shooting tendency sliders. cad should not try to force the issue of shot selection by changing the shooting tendency sliders.

[doncoryell]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

cad, Texas State is currently shooting .356 (90-253) from 3pt range and their opponents are shooting .289 (66-228) from beyond the arc. That is through 11 games. I really don't see anything that much wrong. Your team's 3pt% is not really that far off and the opponent's 3pt% is dead-on.

Holder may just be getting a lot of wide open looks and the defender may be playing him very loose, which both increase the probability of the shot being successful. If he happens to get hot and get into a mental "zone", his confidence level during that time is probably increasing. I know that mine would!

If the teams are putting up too many shots from 3pt land, then you may want to test (outside of your legacy) the number of 3pt shots by lowering the 3pt shooting slider. Look at the 3pta/fga ratio of the teams first and compare it to what has transpired on the court. Don't change the 3pt range (percentage) slider because the opponent's 3pt% is dead-on. However, by changing the tendency slider it may also affect the 3pt% as well.

From my stand point, after taking a look at what has already transpired on the court, you really don't need to change anything. Your team's 3pt% is not really that far off, although it imay be a little high for your thinking.

I also strongly suggest not touching the player's individual attributes at all!

[cad4life]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

cad, Texas State is currently shooting .356 (90-253) from 3pt range and their opponents are shooting .289 (66-228) from beyond the arc. That is through 11 games. I really don't see anything that much wrong. Your team's 3pt% is not really that far off and the opponent's 3pt% is dead-on.

Holder may just be getting a lot of wide open looks and the defender may be playing him very loose, which both increase the probability of the shot being successful. If he happens to get hot and get into a mental "zone", his confidence level during that time is probably increasing. I know that mine would!

If the teams are putting up too many shots from 3pt land, then you may want to test (outside of your legacy) the number of 3pt shots by lowering the 3pt shooting slider. Look at the 3pta/fga ratio of the teams first and compare it to what has transpired on the court. Don't change the 3pt range (percentage) slider because the opponent's 3pt% is dead-on. However, by changing the tendency slider it may also affect the 3pt% as well.

From my stand point, after taking a look at what has already transpired on the court, you really don't need to change anything. Your team's 3pt% is not really that far off, although it imay be a little high for your thinking.

I also strongly suggest not touching the player's individual attributes at all!

after reading the posts from you guys it made me observe the last 3 games and I think you guys are right nothing to worry about. my last game I went 0-6 and the other team was like 4 for 7. you are right its probably style of play. the games could not be more competitive. i counted and 16 out of 20 games was decided by less than 10 points and I can recall several of those coming down to the final possession.

All my tendancies are at 0 and I am loving it. we are talking about on average 8 to 10 3pointers a game. and it really don't seem to be affecting the games too much. I guess its only a difference of hitting 1 or 2 3pointers a game. I really have to its a more natural flow with the tendancies at 0 but again we are on different generations. I also looked at the field goal percentage and my team was doing about .437 and the oppossing team was about .440. Again thanks for the help I knew I could count on you guys to put it in perspective.

[NoleFan]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

Even though I'm still on 2K7 I must say that the 2-3 is the hardest defensive in this game. No matter what, your guys always opt for the 3pter and teams can hang around with you.

[PhantomPain]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

Ok, so are the ones that are figuring the best way to play this only playing on the ps2? Does anyone have the 360 version figured out? And if so, can we get a post that shows what the "current" or most recent settings and or sliders are? Just one post to clarify? And if this is only for ps2, do the settings translate to the next gen?

I am going to be starting a coaching legacy soon so I want to test them out but I truly am confused as to which systems everyone in this thread are using.

[cad4life]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

Ok, so are the ones that are figuring the best way to play this only playing on the ps2? Does anyone have the 360 version figured out? And if so, can we get a post that shows what the "current" or most recent settings and or sliders are? Just one post to clarify? And if this is only for ps2, do the settings translate to the next gen?

I am going to be starting a coaching legacy soon so I want to test them out but I truly am confused as to which systems everyone in this thread are using.

I really do believe I have the 360 version figured out. if you can test them that would be great. I am posting down below.

[cad4life]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

GamePlay

Play mode simulation
Difficulty MOP
Half Length 20 Minutes
Simulated Half 20 Minutes
Player Lock Off
Real Player FT ON

All other settings turned ON.

Rules:
All Rules on
All Fouls maxed out

Game Sliders

Shooting 43
Mid Range 50
3 Point success 47
Dunk Success 50
Layup Success 50
Close Shot tend 0
midrange shot ten 0
3pt shot tendance 0
Drive tendancy 0

Attributes
Offensive Awareness 100
Defensive Awareness 100
Dunk 50
Ball Handling 100
Offensive Rebound 100
Defensive Rebound 100
Block 50
Steal 50
Speed 50

Gameplay
Team Unity Effects 100
Dunks in Traffic 0
Screen Success 50
Screen Strength 50
Steal Success 50
Help Defense 500
Help Recovery 50

Fitness 50
Energy Recovery rate 50
Injury Frequency 50
Injury Effects 50

If I left something out or you have a question feel free. but I do love these sliders.

[PhantomPain]

Re: ***OS's Official College Hoops 2k8 Coach Mode Central***

GamePlay

Play mode simulation
Difficulty MOP
Half Length 20 Minutes
Simulated Half 20 Minutes
Player Lock Off
Real Player FT ON

All other settings turned ON.

Rules:
All Rules on
All Fouls maxed out

Game Sliders

Shooting 43
Mid Range 50
3 Point success 47
Dunk Success 50
Layup Success 50
Close Shot tend 0
midrange shot ten 0
3pt shot tendance 0
Drive tendancy 0

Attributes
Offensive Awareness 100
Defensive Awareness 100
Dunk 50
Ball Handling 100
Offensive Rebound 100
Defensive Rebound 100
Block 50
Steal 50
Speed 50

Gameplay
Team Unity Effects 100
Dunks in Traffic 0
Screen Success 50
Screen Strength 50
Steal Success 50
Help Defense 500
Help Recovery 50

Fitness 50
Energy Recovery rate 50
Injury Frequency 50
Injury Effects 50

If I left something out or you have a question feel free. but I do love these sliders.

Great Cad, thank you very much. Do you have these posted on 2kShare? I will probably get to try them this evening or tonight sometime and once I have a game or two I will let you know how it worked out for me. Thanks again.