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  • Padgoi

    #721
    Re: All Kobe Talk.....

    I also watch almost every Laker game and I have noticed that Kobe is only double-teamed when the defense realizes he is about to drive. However, if he is staying out on the perimeter, he is rarely doubled.
    Also, he isn't nearly doubled as much as MJ was.
    Thirdly, MJ faced triple-teams many nights.
    These guys can argue until their faces turn blue, but after watching MJ for so many years (in his younger days) and watching Kobe now, I still don't think you can compare the two. I honestly think that this is the NBA's ploy to try and get more people to watch by "re-creating" MJ. And who better to do it than Kobe, who does everything based on MJ's game and plays in a large market? The NBA realizes that once Jordan leaves, they are losing a HUGE revenue-making part of the league and they need to make it up in other ways. Therefore, they quickly make the public think Kobe is the next MJ. When MJ was younger, he didn't suddenly jump to being the GOAT. He had to put up consistent numbers year in and year out. And it wasn't until he won titles that any talk of GOAT came up. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but take Kobe off that team and put TMac and I honestly think they definitely win those 3 titles. But take MJ off those Bulls and you have garbage. And to even mention Kobe's defense in the same sentence as MJ's is a sin. It took years for MJ to be considered the greatest. Coincidence that as soon as MJ retires, Kobe (not TMac) suddenly becomes the potential greatest. Everyone is so blinded by what the ESPN analysts and NBA analysts say that they lose their own perspective and ideas. They just listen to what they hear. Those analysts are paid to say what they say. We should stop these silly comparisons. When their careers are over, then we can start again.

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    • **DONOTDELETE**
      Hall Of Fame
      • Oct 2025
      • 19598

      #722
      Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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      Westybro and Skillz, are you the same person or do you read the same books or something? I have never in my life met such Kobe fanboys in my life. Listen, he is a great player, we all know. But please, for the love of God, stop comparing him to Mr. Jordan. When Kobe wins 6 titles without Shaq in the middle, call me. Jordan didn't have the most dominant center on the planet on his team. And remember one other vital thing: Jordan got doubled EVERY NIGHT. Who gets doubled on the Lakers? Sure as hell not Kobe.

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      I'm not even gonna get into the Kobe vs. Jordan argument but If you dont thinl Kobe gets doubled consistently...ur crazy. I watche every laker game and he is constantly double teamed.

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      Basically what he said. I also get to watch almost every Lakers game, and trust me Kobe gets doubled a LOT. And as for the comparisons with MJ, i was simply pointing out that Phil Jackson himself said he asks Kobe to do more than he ever asked MJ to do. That's the FACT.

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      • **DONOTDELETE**
        Hall Of Fame
        • Oct 2025
        • 19598

        #723
        Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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        Westybro and Skillz, are you the same person or do you read the same books or something? I have never in my life met such Kobe fanboys in my life. Listen, he is a great player, we all know. But please, for the love of God, stop comparing him to Mr. Jordan. When Kobe wins 6 titles without Shaq in the middle, call me. Jordan didn't have the most dominant center on the planet on his team. And remember one other vital thing: Jordan got doubled EVERY NIGHT. Who gets doubled on the Lakers? Sure as hell not Kobe.

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        I'm not even gonna get into the Kobe vs. Jordan argument but If you dont thinl Kobe gets doubled consistently...ur crazy. I watche every laker game and he is constantly double teamed.

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        Basically what he said. I also get to watch almost every Lakers game, and trust me Kobe gets doubled a LOT. And as for the comparisons with MJ, i was simply pointing out that Phil Jackson himself said he asks Kobe to do more than he ever asked MJ to do. That's the FACT.

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        • Westybro
          Rookie
          • Mar 2003
          • 352

          #724
          Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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          Westybro and Skillz, are you the same person or do you read the same books or something? I have never in my life met such Kobe fanboys in my life. Listen, he is a great player, we all know. But please, for the love of God, stop comparing him to Mr. Jordan. When Kobe wins 6 titles without Shaq in the middle, call me. Jordan didn't have the most dominant center on the planet on his team. And remember one other vital thing: Jordan got doubled EVERY NIGHT. Who gets doubled on the Lakers? Sure as hell not Kobe.

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          Blah, you act like Jordan WON ALL 6 rings by himself...geez you can't penalize Kobe for being on Shaq's team(or should I say Kobe AND Shaq's team now) seriously, thats all I hear from the Jordan fanbois is that Kobe has Shaq, blah, blah...come on thats WEAK. Ur right, Jordan is one of the best 2 guards to EVER play, theres no question about that. Kobe has been compared to Jordan SINCE DAY 1, the minute he set foot in the NBA. Kobe's only 24, and if you look and see what hes done, and is DOING right now compared to what Jodan did at 24, people can't help to make comparisons. Did you see the Memphis game? Kobe's game winner reminded me of Mj, theres no doubt about it.

          Kobe doesn't get doubled every night? Ha, that just prooves ur a Kobe *****, cuz he gets doubled and TRIPLED all the time, and it still doesn't phase him. Seems like there two kinds of people in the world, Kobe lovers and Kobe haters. I just think some you haters should give the kid some credit and respect and stop livin in the past.

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          • Westybro
            Rookie
            • Mar 2003
            • 352

            #725
            Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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            Westybro and Skillz, are you the same person or do you read the same books or something? I have never in my life met such Kobe fanboys in my life. Listen, he is a great player, we all know. But please, for the love of God, stop comparing him to Mr. Jordan. When Kobe wins 6 titles without Shaq in the middle, call me. Jordan didn't have the most dominant center on the planet on his team. And remember one other vital thing: Jordan got doubled EVERY NIGHT. Who gets doubled on the Lakers? Sure as hell not Kobe.

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            Blah, you act like Jordan WON ALL 6 rings by himself...geez you can't penalize Kobe for being on Shaq's team(or should I say Kobe AND Shaq's team now) seriously, thats all I hear from the Jordan fanbois is that Kobe has Shaq, blah, blah...come on thats WEAK. Ur right, Jordan is one of the best 2 guards to EVER play, theres no question about that. Kobe has been compared to Jordan SINCE DAY 1, the minute he set foot in the NBA. Kobe's only 24, and if you look and see what hes done, and is DOING right now compared to what Jodan did at 24, people can't help to make comparisons. Did you see the Memphis game? Kobe's game winner reminded me of Mj, theres no doubt about it.

            Kobe doesn't get doubled every night? Ha, that just prooves ur a Kobe *****, cuz he gets doubled and TRIPLED all the time, and it still doesn't phase him. Seems like there two kinds of people in the world, Kobe lovers and Kobe haters. I just think some you haters should give the kid some credit and respect and stop livin in the past.

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            • **DONOTDELETE**
              Hall Of Fame
              • Oct 2025
              • 19598

              #726
              Re: All Kobe Talk.....

              People don't call Ray Allen or Allan Houston, the next Reggie Miller.

              We need to stop this BU**SH** talk, for our families sake, and go on with life.

              I'm gonna end this note by saying MJ IS THE BEST EVER. You cannot be more consistent night in and night out with sh**** teammates than MJ has over the long course of his career. They were all a bunch of competitive role players.

              Kobe is no MJ.

              if anything we should compare kobe to T-mac.

              MJ is a few levels above Kobe.

              i dont think anybody in my lifetime can reach the peak Mike has over his career.

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              • **DONOTDELETE**
                Hall Of Fame
                • Oct 2025
                • 19598

                #727
                Re: All Kobe Talk.....

                People don't call Ray Allen or Allan Houston, the next Reggie Miller.

                We need to stop this BU**SH** talk, for our families sake, and go on with life.

                I'm gonna end this note by saying MJ IS THE BEST EVER. You cannot be more consistent night in and night out with sh**** teammates than MJ has over the long course of his career. They were all a bunch of competitive role players.

                Kobe is no MJ.

                if anything we should compare kobe to T-mac.

                MJ is a few levels above Kobe.

                i dont think anybody in my lifetime can reach the peak Mike has over his career.

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                • Westybro
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 352

                  #728
                  Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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                  I also watch almost every Laker game and I have noticed that Kobe is only double-teamed when the defense realizes he is about to drive. However, if he is staying out on the perimeter, he is rarely doubled.
                  Also, he isn't nearly doubled as much as MJ was.
                  Thirdly, MJ faced triple-teams many nights.
                  These guys can argue until their faces turn blue, but after watching MJ for so many years (in his younger days) and watching Kobe now, I still don't think you can compare the two. I honestly think that this is the NBA's ploy to try and get more people to watch by "re-creating" MJ. And who better to do it than Kobe, who does everything based on MJ's game and plays in a large market? The NBA realizes that once Jordan leaves, they are losing a HUGE revenue-making part of the league and they need to make it up in other ways. Therefore, they quickly make the public think Kobe is the next MJ. When MJ was younger, he didn't suddenly jump to being the GOAT. He had to put up consistent numbers year in and year out. And it wasn't until he won titles that any talk of GOAT came up. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but take Kobe off that team and put TMac and I honestly think they definitely win those 3 titles. But take MJ off those Bulls and you have garbage. And to even mention Kobe's defense in the same sentence as MJ's is a sin. It took years for MJ to be considered the greatest. Coincidence that as soon as MJ retires, Kobe (not TMac) suddenly becomes the potential greatest. Everyone is so blinded by what the ESPN analysts and NBA analysts say that they lose their own perspective and ideas. They just listen to what they hear. Those analysts are paid to say what they say. We should stop these silly comparisons. When their careers are over, then we can start again.

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                  Funny how they did the SAME THING WITH MJ. The game was losing Magic,Bird, and Kareem and they built up MJ..why?..Cause they KNEW he would be great. Its obvious you don't watch many Laker games, some of the things Kobe does night in and night out are AMAZING. You just sit there in AWE, just watching the Kid. The scary thing is, Shaq is only holding him back and Kobe is just getting started. The last player to impress ME that much was...uh...none other then MJ. I don't listen to crap announcers and anaylists say, I go by what I see. What makes Kobe great is, the way he lets Shaq take the spotlight and run the team just so they can win. Becuase he KNOW, one day the Shaq era will end, and Kobe will have HIS team.

                  And your T-MAC argument is WEAK and hypothetical. YOU DON'T KNOW if he would of won with Shaq, come on, come up with some that is VALID ur reaching. I honestly don't think THREE years ago Tracy was at Kobe's maturity level. Kobe paid his dues through the Spurs and Utah series, he HAD EXPERIENCE. Thats like saying, put the Adrmial, ZO, SHAQ, or Akeem on the Bulls with PIPPEN, I guarantee the Bulls still win a number a rings.

                  Stop hating on Kobe and coming with WEAK butt arguments.

                  EDIT: Lemme state something for the record.. I NEVER once said Kobe was BETTER than Jordan. I'm just comparing the two because Kobe reminds of MJ, and the things Kobe is doing are VERY Jordan esque. Plus he plays for LA, so from day ONE, the league and media put that title on Kobe "the next Jordan" and I'm sure Kobe hates it. But if people never compared, then we would have nothing to talk about

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                  • Westybro
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 352

                    #729
                    Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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                    I also watch almost every Laker game and I have noticed that Kobe is only double-teamed when the defense realizes he is about to drive. However, if he is staying out on the perimeter, he is rarely doubled.
                    Also, he isn't nearly doubled as much as MJ was.
                    Thirdly, MJ faced triple-teams many nights.
                    These guys can argue until their faces turn blue, but after watching MJ for so many years (in his younger days) and watching Kobe now, I still don't think you can compare the two. I honestly think that this is the NBA's ploy to try and get more people to watch by "re-creating" MJ. And who better to do it than Kobe, who does everything based on MJ's game and plays in a large market? The NBA realizes that once Jordan leaves, they are losing a HUGE revenue-making part of the league and they need to make it up in other ways. Therefore, they quickly make the public think Kobe is the next MJ. When MJ was younger, he didn't suddenly jump to being the GOAT. He had to put up consistent numbers year in and year out. And it wasn't until he won titles that any talk of GOAT came up. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but take Kobe off that team and put TMac and I honestly think they definitely win those 3 titles. But take MJ off those Bulls and you have garbage. And to even mention Kobe's defense in the same sentence as MJ's is a sin. It took years for MJ to be considered the greatest. Coincidence that as soon as MJ retires, Kobe (not TMac) suddenly becomes the potential greatest. Everyone is so blinded by what the ESPN analysts and NBA analysts say that they lose their own perspective and ideas. They just listen to what they hear. Those analysts are paid to say what they say. We should stop these silly comparisons. When their careers are over, then we can start again.

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                    Funny how they did the SAME THING WITH MJ. The game was losing Magic,Bird, and Kareem and they built up MJ..why?..Cause they KNEW he would be great. Its obvious you don't watch many Laker games, some of the things Kobe does night in and night out are AMAZING. You just sit there in AWE, just watching the Kid. The scary thing is, Shaq is only holding him back and Kobe is just getting started. The last player to impress ME that much was...uh...none other then MJ. I don't listen to crap announcers and anaylists say, I go by what I see. What makes Kobe great is, the way he lets Shaq take the spotlight and run the team just so they can win. Becuase he KNOW, one day the Shaq era will end, and Kobe will have HIS team.

                    And your T-MAC argument is WEAK and hypothetical. YOU DON'T KNOW if he would of won with Shaq, come on, come up with some that is VALID ur reaching. I honestly don't think THREE years ago Tracy was at Kobe's maturity level. Kobe paid his dues through the Spurs and Utah series, he HAD EXPERIENCE. Thats like saying, put the Adrmial, ZO, SHAQ, or Akeem on the Bulls with PIPPEN, I guarantee the Bulls still win a number a rings.

                    Stop hating on Kobe and coming with WEAK butt arguments.

                    EDIT: Lemme state something for the record.. I NEVER once said Kobe was BETTER than Jordan. I'm just comparing the two because Kobe reminds of MJ, and the things Kobe is doing are VERY Jordan esque. Plus he plays for LA, so from day ONE, the league and media put that title on Kobe "the next Jordan" and I'm sure Kobe hates it. But if people never compared, then we would have nothing to talk about

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #730
                      Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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                      I also watch almost every Laker game and I have noticed that Kobe is only double-teamed when the defense realizes he is about to drive. However, if he is staying out on the perimeter, he is rarely doubled.
                      Also, he isn't nearly doubled as much as MJ was.
                      Thirdly, MJ faced triple-teams many nights.
                      These guys can argue until their faces turn blue, but after watching MJ for so many years (in his younger days) and watching Kobe now, I still don't think you can compare the two. I honestly think that this is the NBA's ploy to try and get more people to watch by "re-creating" MJ. And who better to do it than Kobe, who does everything based on MJ's game and plays in a large market? The NBA realizes that once Jordan leaves, they are losing a HUGE revenue-making part of the league and they need to make it up in other ways. Therefore, they quickly make the public think Kobe is the next MJ. When MJ was younger, he didn't suddenly jump to being the GOAT. He had to put up consistent numbers year in and year out. And it wasn't until he won titles that any talk of GOAT came up. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but take Kobe off that team and put TMac and I honestly think they definitely win those 3 titles. But take MJ off those Bulls and you have garbage. And to even mention Kobe's defense in the same sentence as MJ's is a sin. It took years for MJ to be considered the greatest. Coincidence that as soon as MJ retires, Kobe (not TMac) suddenly becomes the potential greatest. Everyone is so blinded by what the ESPN analysts and NBA analysts say that they lose their own perspective and ideas. They just listen to what they hear. Those analysts are paid to say what they say. We should stop these silly comparisons. When their careers are over, then we can start again.

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                      Ok, now you have drawn me in.

                      Padagoi, rarely is ANYONE double teamed on the perimeter. The only time Jordan was double teamed on the perimeter or away from the ball was during his first few Bulls years. During the championship years, he rarely was double teamed on the perimeter. He was always double teamed in the post or when he was driving though.

                      Kobe is double teamed in the post or on the perimeter almost 80% of the time. Any team that leaves Kobe one on one with anyone is committing suicide, so the often double team him leaving Fox or fisher open. While that may not be as much as Jordan but to say Kobe never gets double teamed (what you said in ur original quote is wrong)

                      The reason why people are hyping Kobe is threefold.

                      1) He plays in the 2nd biggest Media Market(TMAC plays in Orlando one of the smallest)
                      2) He has won 3 straight NBA titles (something TMAC hasnt)
                      3)Kobe is averaging ove 30 points and is arguably the best score in the league (TMAC and Iverson are better)

                      The league sdidnt make him average 30 points this year. The league didnt give him 3 titles. The league didnt make him play in LA.

                      And the NBA will not lose a lot of revenue when Jordan leaves for the 3rd time. They took their hit when they lost him for the 2nd time and now the league has established new stars. Do you think less people will watch the playoffs becaus Jordan isnt in it?

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                      • aholbert32
                        (aka Alberto)
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 33106

                        #731
                        Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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                        I also watch almost every Laker game and I have noticed that Kobe is only double-teamed when the defense realizes he is about to drive. However, if he is staying out on the perimeter, he is rarely doubled.
                        Also, he isn't nearly doubled as much as MJ was.
                        Thirdly, MJ faced triple-teams many nights.
                        These guys can argue until their faces turn blue, but after watching MJ for so many years (in his younger days) and watching Kobe now, I still don't think you can compare the two. I honestly think that this is the NBA's ploy to try and get more people to watch by "re-creating" MJ. And who better to do it than Kobe, who does everything based on MJ's game and plays in a large market? The NBA realizes that once Jordan leaves, they are losing a HUGE revenue-making part of the league and they need to make it up in other ways. Therefore, they quickly make the public think Kobe is the next MJ. When MJ was younger, he didn't suddenly jump to being the GOAT. He had to put up consistent numbers year in and year out. And it wasn't until he won titles that any talk of GOAT came up. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but take Kobe off that team and put TMac and I honestly think they definitely win those 3 titles. But take MJ off those Bulls and you have garbage. And to even mention Kobe's defense in the same sentence as MJ's is a sin. It took years for MJ to be considered the greatest. Coincidence that as soon as MJ retires, Kobe (not TMac) suddenly becomes the potential greatest. Everyone is so blinded by what the ESPN analysts and NBA analysts say that they lose their own perspective and ideas. They just listen to what they hear. Those analysts are paid to say what they say. We should stop these silly comparisons. When their careers are over, then we can start again.

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                        Ok, now you have drawn me in.

                        Padagoi, rarely is ANYONE double teamed on the perimeter. The only time Jordan was double teamed on the perimeter or away from the ball was during his first few Bulls years. During the championship years, he rarely was double teamed on the perimeter. He was always double teamed in the post or when he was driving though.

                        Kobe is double teamed in the post or on the perimeter almost 80% of the time. Any team that leaves Kobe one on one with anyone is committing suicide, so the often double team him leaving Fox or fisher open. While that may not be as much as Jordan but to say Kobe never gets double teamed (what you said in ur original quote is wrong)

                        The reason why people are hyping Kobe is threefold.

                        1) He plays in the 2nd biggest Media Market(TMAC plays in Orlando one of the smallest)
                        2) He has won 3 straight NBA titles (something TMAC hasnt)
                        3)Kobe is averaging ove 30 points and is arguably the best score in the league (TMAC and Iverson are better)

                        The league sdidnt make him average 30 points this year. The league didnt give him 3 titles. The league didnt make him play in LA.

                        And the NBA will not lose a lot of revenue when Jordan leaves for the 3rd time. They took their hit when they lost him for the 2nd time and now the league has established new stars. Do you think less people will watch the playoffs becaus Jordan isnt in it?

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                        • ShaKobe
                          G* L*k* Sh*w!!!
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 2964

                          #732
                          Re: All Kobe Talk.....

                          A couple of things, first the Bulls were not GARBAGE without MJ. True, they weren't title contenders (but close) without him, but they still had a 50+win season and made it to the playoffs without him during his first retirement. So, they were a really good team still, just not over that hump without him.

                          And second, Kobe is not MJ. Nobody is MJ. Hell, even present day MJ isn't MJ. People have to stop the comparisons. Granted, I probably do it too every now and then, but that's what everyone does in sports. You have to compare to gauge any kind of progress or ability. And who would you want to be compared to? None other than the man himself, Michael Jordan.

                          But what we should be doing is just enjoying these players now for what they are doing. And they are doing amazing things. TMac is just showing his offensive might, along with his amazing versatility. He is scoring 32+ppg along with 6+boards and 5+assists. Amazing.

                          And this season alone, Kobe has gotten the record for most consecutive 3-pointers in a game (since tied by Spreewell), has the record for most 3-pointers in a game (12), got his 10,000 career point younger than anyone ever in the NBA, 3rd in most 40 point games in a row (9 I believe), and is averaging around 30ppg, 7boards, and 6assists. That is just an amazing season. He is definitely not MJ, but he is a great player and is the very first Kobe. Give him his props. He's only 24, there's so much more for him to do.

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                          • ShaKobe
                            G* L*k* Sh*w!!!
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 2964

                            #733
                            Re: All Kobe Talk.....

                            A couple of things, first the Bulls were not GARBAGE without MJ. True, they weren't title contenders (but close) without him, but they still had a 50+win season and made it to the playoffs without him during his first retirement. So, they were a really good team still, just not over that hump without him.

                            And second, Kobe is not MJ. Nobody is MJ. Hell, even present day MJ isn't MJ. People have to stop the comparisons. Granted, I probably do it too every now and then, but that's what everyone does in sports. You have to compare to gauge any kind of progress or ability. And who would you want to be compared to? None other than the man himself, Michael Jordan.

                            But what we should be doing is just enjoying these players now for what they are doing. And they are doing amazing things. TMac is just showing his offensive might, along with his amazing versatility. He is scoring 32+ppg along with 6+boards and 5+assists. Amazing.

                            And this season alone, Kobe has gotten the record for most consecutive 3-pointers in a game (since tied by Spreewell), has the record for most 3-pointers in a game (12), got his 10,000 career point younger than anyone ever in the NBA, 3rd in most 40 point games in a row (9 I believe), and is averaging around 30ppg, 7boards, and 6assists. That is just an amazing season. He is definitely not MJ, but he is a great player and is the very first Kobe. Give him his props. He's only 24, there's so much more for him to do.

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                            • Westybro
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 352

                              #734
                              Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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                              3rd in most 40 point games in a row (9 I believe)

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                              Heh, hes tied for second with 10 in a row, with none other than....MJ

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                              • Westybro
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 352

                                #735
                                Re: All Kobe Talk.....

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                                3rd in most 40 point games in a row (9 I believe)

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                                Heh, hes tied for second with 10 in a row, with none other than....MJ

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