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  • Brandon13
    All Star
    • Oct 2005
    • 8915

    #151
    Re: MVP discussion

    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
    All I know is Lakers have 24 more games against the West.

    Cavs have 5.

    Cavs will have played 31 games against the West, Lakers will have played 52.

    If the Lakers finish with a better record than the Hornets, and win about 53 games or so It'll be hard to not give it to Bryant.

    If you're going to use the argument that the Lakers have such a talent laden team then I think it's fair to look at the fact that Bron plays in the East. But let's not forget Bynum played 30 games, and Pau has only played in 8 thus far.

    Let me reiterate, Bron deserves it as much as the next guy, Kobe and CP3- all three of these guys have been playing other worldly.

    Don't forget about K.G.'s chances.
    I completely agree. I wasn't trying to imply anything different. Right now though I think it's a moot point because Chris Paul has his team with the best record in the West and until that changes he's the MVP, imo.

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    • HMcCoy
      All Star
      • Jan 2003
      • 8212

      #152
      Re: MVP discussion

      Originally posted by KDRE_OS
      from lj4mvp

      I agree

      I'm not quite sure how it happened, but it seems that the MVP award has lost the meaning of valuable, at least the way it's being argued on here and the way it's sometimes awarded. It's just a strange concept that the lakers trading for Gasol and getting him more help makes Kobe a better MVP candidate while the cavs losing players left and right and thus relying more on LeBron to keep things afloat makes him less of an MVP candidate because their record slips a tad.

      And by the same token, if this recent trade works out and Ben Wallace comes out rejuvenated, wally offsets Gibson's injury and Andy comes back next week ready to do, all helping the cavs getting 53 wins, that somehow helps LeBron's MVP case.

      I think if MVP were a new award added this year, people would look at Most Valuable Player and conclude hands down that LeBron should win it for the way he's put his team on his back night after night and carried them through the season.
      I agree. The MVP criteria is stupid, but now that it's Kobe's turn to capitalize on the stupidity, watch this suddenly become a hot topic. All these years no one gave a fart about how silly it all was.

      http://forums.operationsports.com/vB...d.php?t=236195
      Last edited by HMcCoy; 02-22-2008, 02:39 AM.
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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #153
        Re: MVP discussion

        Originally posted by HMcCoy
        I agree. The MVP criteria is stupid, but now it's Kobe's turn to capitalize on the stupidity, watch this suddenly become a hot topic.

        http://forums.operationsports.com/vB...d.php?t=236195
        I will say this too: I could actually give a rat's *** about the MVP.. we all know it hasn't meant **** lately. It was nice when the MVP's team actually won a ring that year.

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        • 23
          yellow
          • Sep 2002
          • 66469

          #154
          Re: MVP discussion

          Of course it will. It does every year... and I remember your topic but probably didnt get enough attention due to the timing of it.

          I think the emrgence of the same teammates Kobe blasted this summer is overlooked as far as LA's record is concerned.

          Manu is being overlooked and the Spurs are right in the hunt for the #1 west seed too.

          I don't however think Chris Paul should lose the award with what his team is doing...

          Then you can argue all you want, but when people compare the Celtics record from last to this year, KG's name will be in the hat too... like it or not.

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          • 23
            yellow
            • Sep 2002
            • 66469

            #155
            Re: MVP discussion

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            I will say this too: I could actually give a rat's *** about the MVP.. we all know it hasn't meant **** lately. It was nice when the MVP's team actually won a ring that year.
            I agree ec... alot of the nba's awards have become a farce. In the scheme of things they don't mean much anymore.

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            • ex carrabba fan
              I'll thank him for you
              • Oct 2004
              • 32744

              #156
              Re: MVP discussion

              Just to go back to the Summer, Bryant made one stupid comment to a random dude and it gets on Youtube. I don't recall him blasting all of his teammates at all. The fact that he requested a trade was because he felt the front office lied to him [didn't get him another "star" to play with]. Which in my eyes they kind of did.

              Bynum's emergence was not to be expected, he's 20. Not only that, a team without Bynum was not a title team just yet. They were vastly improved and immediately better with Bynum's presence.. having something in the middle opened up everyone else's game. As soon as Bynum goes down the team goes in a funk, and it looked like Lakers of the past 2 years. And don't forget about FISHER!

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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #157
                Re: MVP discussion

                LOL, first of all that was his doing.

                Second of all, that was all after he went on every radio station he could in one day calling guys and management out.

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                • Brandon13
                  All Star
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 8915

                  #158
                  Re: MVP discussion

                  Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                  LOL, first of all that was his doing.

                  Second of all, that was all after he went on every radio station he could in one day calling guys and management out.
                  While true, it doesn't really have anything to do with Kobe's MVP candidacy.

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                  • ex carrabba fan
                    I'll thank him for you
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 32744

                    #159
                    Re: MVP discussion

                    Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                    LOL, first of all that was his doing.

                    Second of all, that was all after he went on every radio station he could in one day calling guys and management out.
                    Originally posted by Brandon13
                    While true, it doesn't really have anything to do with Kobe's MVP candidacy.
                    Sorry for bringing it off topic, my bad.

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                    • Brandon13
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 8915

                      #160
                      Re: MVP discussion

                      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                      Sorry for bringing it off topic, my bad.
                      Eh, you were allowed a rebuttal post.

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                      • Tmacattack
                        Pro
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 872

                        #161
                        Re: MVP discussion

                        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                        Ok well I was just replying to that other guy's logic, which I think is completely flawed. But what does he have to do to win?

                        Here's what everyone has to do in my eyes:

                        CP3: Get a top 3 record while keeping his assists at about 10 and scoring at 18-20.

                        Bryant: Get about 53-55 wins, 27-30 ppg, 6-7, and 4-5

                        Bron: Stay around his averages and finish at least 3rd seed maybe 4th depending on how many wins they get. The Cavs need to win about 47 games.

                        K.G.: Just get healthy and put up numbers and keep winning.
                        Well, it's looking like all those things might happen, what then?

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                        • ex carrabba fan
                          I'll thank him for you
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #162
                          Re: MVP discussion

                          Originally posted by Tmacattack
                          Well, it's looking like all those things might happen, what then?
                          Haven't thought that far ahead. LOL

                          Naw but in 30 games I'm certain the picture will become clearer. If all of that really does come true though wow.

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                          • Brandon13
                            All Star
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8915

                            #163
                            Re: MVP discussion

                            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                            Haven't thought that far ahead. LOL

                            Naw but in 30 games I'm certain the picture will become clearer. If all of that really does come true though wow.
                            All four of them split the vote allowing Steve Nash to win his 3rd MVP in four years.

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                            • Vince
                              Bow for Bau
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 26017

                              #164
                              Re: MVP discussion

                              The simple fact that CP3 a point guard is second in the league in PER is enough to give him the award imo.
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                              • ex carrabba fan
                                I'll thank him for you
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 32744

                                #165
                                Re: MVP discussion

                                Hahaha. Maybe it's good for the league at least. Glad both CP3 and Bron got some new players to work with at least.

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