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  • Kashanova
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2003
    • 12695

    #181
    Re: MVP discussion

    Originally posted by Jasong7777
    If thats the case I will vote for Caron Butler.
    they beat Boston twice once at their house
    they beat Dallas twice once at their house

    See how silly that game is?
    but the wizards arent even over .500 and have a horrible record so it speaks nothing towards butler, the cavs have a pretty respectable record

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    • Jasong7777
      All Star
      • May 2005
      • 6415

      #182
      Re: MVP discussion

      Originally posted by Kashanova
      but the wizards arent even over .500 and have a horrible record so it speaks nothing towards butler, the cavs have a pretty respectable record
      The Wiz are one spot below the great Cavs. If the Cavs were in the West they would be the tenth seed. Even in the East they are only the fifth seed. Me, three of my boys from the Y, and my moms could make the playoffs in the East. With no bench
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      • ILLCHILL
        MVP
        • Feb 2004
        • 2820

        #183
        Re: MVP discussion

        Just my two cents, KG or Lebron. If KG doesnt get and stay healthy soon then Lebron all the way, Kobe won't get the consideration after the big additiong of Gasol.

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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #184
          Re: MVP discussion

          Like I said, that line of logic is flawed to me. Just because they added Gasol he cannot win? So the award has a pre-determined criteria? Your candidate has to be on a mediocre team?

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          • Cebby
            Banned
            • Apr 2005
            • 22327

            #185
            Re: MVP discussion

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            Like I said, that line of logic is flawed to me. Just because they added Gasol he cannot win? So the award has a pre-determined criteria? Your candidate has to be on a mediocre team?
            Especially since KG only has a great team because of Pierce and Allen.

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            • ex carrabba fan
              I'll thank him for you
              • Oct 2004
              • 32744

              #186
              Re: MVP discussion

              Originally posted by The Soldier
              Especially since KG only has a great team because of Pierce and Allen.
              LOL you always point out the obvious but it's always a point I didn't even think of Seems as if some just don't want certain players to win.

              Once again I don't give too much care about the award. I do get irked when people say such and such can't win because he has help. IMO the MVP should at least make it to the Finals. I'll look up all the MVP winners and see where their team went in the playoffs.

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              • Kashanova
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2003
                • 12695

                #187
                Re: MVP discussion

                Originally posted by Jasong7777
                The Wiz are one spot below the great Cavs. If the Cavs were in the West they would be the tenth seed. Even in the East they are only the fifth seed. Me, three of my boys from the Y, and my moms could make the playoffs in the East. With no bench
                no one said the cavs were great but there only were there at cause of lebron , and you and your boys probably go 0-82

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                • Kashanova
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 12695

                  #188
                  Re: MVP discussion

                  Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                  Like I said, that line of logic is flawed to me. Just because they added Gasol he cannot win? So the award has a pre-determined criteria? Your candidate has to be on a mediocre team?
                  how valueable can bryant be if the team can pretty much stand pat if he misses some games imo they wouldnt be the same record they have now but pretty much close to it especially now with gasol and when bynum comes back

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                  • ex carrabba fan
                    I'll thank him for you
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 32744

                    #189
                    Re: MVP discussion

                    The list tells me most of these guys had help.

                    2006-07 - Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
                    2005-06 - Steve Nash, Phoenix
                    2004-05 - Steve Nash, Phoenix
                    2003-04 - Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
                    2002-03 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
                    2001-02 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
                    2000-01 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia
                    1999-00 - Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles Lakers
                    1998-99 - Karl Malone, Utah
                    1997-98 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                    1996-97 - Karl Malone, Utah
                    1995-96 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                    1994-95 - David Robinson, San Antonio
                    1993-94 - Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston
                    1992-93 - Charles Barkley, Phoenix
                    1991-92 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                    1990-91 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                    1989-90 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers
                    1988-89 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers
                    1987-88 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                    1986-87 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers
                    1985-86 - Larry Bird, Boston
                    1984-85 - Larry Bird, Boston
                    1983-84 - Larry Bird, Boston
                    1982-83 - Moses Malone, Philadelphia
                    1981-82 - Moses Malone, Houston
                    1980-81 - Julius Erving, Philadelphia
                    1979-80 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Los Angeles
                    1978-79 - Moses Malone, Houston
                    1977-78 - Bill Walton, Portland
                    1976-77 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Los Angeles
                    1975-76 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Los Angeles
                    1974-75 - Bob McAdoo, Buffalo
                    1973-74 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee
                    1972-73 - Dave Cowens, Boston
                    1971-72 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee
                    1970-71 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee
                    1969-70 - Willis Reed, New York

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                    • ex carrabba fan
                      I'll thank him for you
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 32744

                      #190
                      Re: MVP discussion

                      Originally posted by Kashanova
                      how valueable can bryant be if the team can pretty much stand pat if he misses some games imo they wouldnt be the same record they have now but pretty much close to it especially now with gasol and when bynum comes back
                      LOL that's your opinion.

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                      • DC
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 17996

                        #191
                        Re: MVP discussion

                        Why is Caron Butler being brought up. Stop making me be a jerk fellas.
                        Concrete evidence/videos please

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                        • Kashanova
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 12695

                          #192
                          Re: MVP discussion

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          The list tells me most of these guys had help.

                          2006-07 - Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
                          2005-06 - Steve Nash, Phoenix
                          2004-05 - Steve Nash, Phoenix
                          2003-04 - Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
                          2002-03 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
                          2001-02 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
                          2000-01 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia
                          1999-00 - Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles Lakers
                          1998-99 - Karl Malone, Utah
                          1997-98 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                          1996-97 - Karl Malone, Utah
                          1995-96 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                          1994-95 - David Robinson, San Antonio
                          1993-94 - Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston
                          1992-93 - Charles Barkley, Phoenix
                          1991-92 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                          1990-91 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                          1989-90 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers
                          1988-89 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers
                          1987-88 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
                          1986-87 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers
                          1985-86 - Larry Bird, Boston
                          1984-85 - Larry Bird, Boston
                          1983-84 - Larry Bird, Boston
                          1982-83 - Moses Malone, Philadelphia
                          1981-82 - Moses Malone, Houston
                          1980-81 - Julius Erving, Philadelphia
                          1979-80 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Los Angeles
                          1978-79 - Moses Malone, Houston
                          1977-78 - Bill Walton, Portland
                          1976-77 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Los Angeles
                          1975-76 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Los Angeles
                          1974-75 - Bob McAdoo, Buffalo
                          1973-74 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee
                          1972-73 - Dave Cowens, Boston
                          1971-72 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee
                          1970-71 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee
                          1969-70 - Willis Reed, New York
                          i bold the ones that were simply the player simply carried their team like lebron, the first few abdul abbar mvps in milwaukee i was gonna bold but got lazy, and everyone knows the suns dont click with out nash there

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #193
                            Re: MVP discussion

                            Originally posted by Kashanova
                            i bold the ones that were simply the player simply carried their team like lebron, the first few abdul abbar mvps in milwaukee i was gonna bold but got lazy, and everyone knows the suns dont click with out nash there
                            LMAO at K.G. not having help, Sam, Spree
                            LMAO at D Rob not having help, Elliott, Rodman
                            A.I. definitely didn't have help, that was amazing.

                            Like I said, MOST of those guys had help.

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                            • ZB9
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 18387

                              #194
                              Re: MVP discussion

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              LMAO at K.G. not having help, Sam, Spree
                              LMAO at D Rob not having help, Elliott, Rodman
                              A.I. definitely didn't have help, that was amazing.

                              Like I said, MOST of those guys had help.
                              imo, Iverson's in Philly, Robinson's in San Antonio, and Kareem's 3 MVPs in Milwaukee were probably the main years where someone won it by truly carrying a team without much help. Most of the rest of the MVPs played with good supporting casts imo.
                              Last edited by ZB9; 02-22-2008, 04:36 PM.

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                              • Kashanova
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 12695

                                #195
                                Re: MVP discussion

                                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                                LMAO at K.G. not having help, Sam, Spree
                                LMAO at D Rob not having help, Elliott, Rodman
                                A.I. definitely didn't have help, that was amazing.

                                Like I said, MOST of those guys had help.
                                d rob didnt have as much help as alot of those other guys there was only one other person on that team that has more then 17 per game that bein elliot that aint much

                                and for k.g other then spree and sam there was nothing and k.g. pratically carried them

                                and iverson did what lebron is doing now taking a horrid team far, not to mention he already took them to the finals once

                                any other mvp candiate with lebrons team would be no where close where the cavs are now

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