2/2-2/8 NBA Discussion

[PrettyT11]

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Yeah wins don't really factor in ROY. Look at last year. Durant won it going away while Horford almost averaged a double double on a playoff team and had alot of people calling for him to win.

[PrettyT11]

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That LeBron block on Bosh was a thing of beauty of last night. That man's D is getting better and better by the day. Dude is a freak of nature.

[Checmate101]

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Jersey going for 3 straight tonight as they travel to DC. Hopefully we can get a little momentum going into the ASB and then take off from there since we've pretty much always been a 2nd half team.

FYI, Brook has been playing great for us this season and I think you'd have to consider him for ROTY or have him in the conversation.

Hopefully McGee and Young show up tonight along with Jamison and Butler.

[Bornindamecca]

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It's getting to the point where there are no individual awards left. Though I have to say, when it comes to the ROY, it should be considered how big a part of his team's success he is. If it's clear cut between #1 and 2, then you shouldn't reward a guy for playing with better teammates. However, if the numbers are debatable, the guy who's adding the most to his team's success should get it. In Lopez's case, he really adds to the Nets when he's playing well He gives them something they never had, and it results in Ws. He's also playing with 2 20+ point scorers, so his scoring is going to be a little lower than certain other rooks.


Like anything else, I think numbers, Ws, etc should be factors in figuring out who is really the best. It shouldn't be black and white.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Checmate, you going to the game? I'm still searching trying to get some decent seats for this game for a good price, which shouldn't be too difficult.

[Checmate101]

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No, I'm not going to the game. As for finding good seats. Yeah, You should find some pretty easily.

Hope Vince don't go off on tonight, I think we can keep him in check I'm just worried about Devin Harris. Mike James sure enough can't stick him

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yea Devin had a big game his last time here and VC came through and hit the dagger last time.

Lopez-McGee should be an interesting matchup down low.

[PrettyT11]

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It's getting to the point where there are no individual awards left. Though I have to say, when it comes to the ROY, it should be considered how big a part of his team's success he is. If it's clear cut between #1 and 2, then you shouldn't reward a guy for playing with better teammates. However, if the numbers are debatable, the guy who's adding the most to his team's success should get it. In Lopez's case, he really adds to the Nets when he's playing well He gives them something they never had, and it results in Ws. He's also playing with 2 20+ point scorers, so his scoring is going to be a little lower than certain other rooks.


Like anything else, I think numbers, Ws, etc should be factors in figuring out who is really the best. It shouldn't be black and white.

I fell ya the individual awards are becoming more team oriented which is wrong but the ROY has always been an individual award. As far as Brook goes his numbers are about the same as Kevin Love and Brook plays with two all stars. He has played some good ball but what Rose and Mayo have done stands out more to me. Both of those guys are the go to player on their team and each game pretty much hangs on how they play. They have alot more pressure on their shoulders and are outplaying Brook. Brook doesn't have to worry about leading the team or anything like that. He just has to go out and play. The weight of that team falls on Vince and Devin. That should be a factor.

[Bornindamecca]

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How do you see Brook and Lopez's numbers as comparable? Brook is blocking 2 shots a game and shooting 50% from the floor. He's averaging 3 more points and shooting way better from the line. Also, he's getting better as the season goes on, which is why I think Pack brought him up. Lopez is picking up the speed of the NBA game quickly, and is turning into a legit big man right before our eyes. Look at his last month of play compared to his first month. If you watch the games, you'll see that Lopez is overall becoming a real factor in games, rather than just getting numbers.

Keep in mind, I said if he continues to improve. Meaning, if he plays the rest of the year the way he played in January, I'd find it hard to believe that he wouldn't warrant serious consideration. If not, then at that point we're just calling the ROY a scoring award.

More than anything, I don't see how you can compare a big man who blocks shots and is a disruptive defensive force in the paint vs. one who isn't. That screams of an overemphasis on offense to me.

[PrettyT11]

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How do you see Brook and Lopez's numbers as comparable? Brook is blocking 2 shots a game and shooting 50% from the floor. He's averaging 3 more points and shooting way better from the line. Also, he's getting better as the season goes on, which is why I think Pack brought him up. Lopez is picking up the speed of the NBA game quickly, and is turning into a legit big man right before our eyes. Look at his last month of play compared to his first month. If you watch the games, you'll see that Lopez is overall becoming a real factor in games, rather than just getting numbers.

Keep in mind, I said if he continues to improve. Meaning, if he plays the rest of the year the way he played in January, I'd find it hard to believe that he wouldn't warrant serious consideration. If not, then at that point we're just calling the ROY a scoring award.

As far as their season numbers go Brook is shooting 49 percent compared to his 45. Yeah he is scoring 3 more points a game but Love is outrebounding him and plays 8 less minutes. I was mainly talking about their play recently and if you look their numbers are VERY similar. Love is out rebounding him easily and the only advantage Lopez has is in scoring. Again it is easier for him to score when two other guys on your team are all stars and drawing double teams. Both guys have been improving greatly as the season as gone on. That's the main part I was talking about. It wasn't a knock on Brook at all. I have seen alot of the Nets games and was at their last game in Atlanta. He has definantly come along and still don't understand why Jordan didn't take him when they had the pick but thats a different topic.

If he stays playing on the level he is right now then yeah he is in the discussion no doubt. I'm not disputing that at all. I'm just saying I give Rose and Mayo the edge over him for what they do and have to do for their team night in and night out. I mean they are the leaders of their team already and the go to guy. If those guys have a bad night then more than likely it ends in an L for the team. The Nets can survive a bad night from Brook and still win cause of the other players on that team.

[PrettyT11]

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More than anything, I don't see how you can compare a big man who blocks shots and is a disruptive defensive force in the paint vs. one who isn't. That screams of an overemphasis on offense to me.

He is no doubt a better shot blocker and that is what he is asked to do on defense. Love is not asked to be a shot blocker even though he couldn't really be anyway. But the way he works on the glass and doesn't allow second chance shots is a plus. When he is on the floor he is a rebounding machince. It wasn't an emphasis on offense at all. I already Gave the nod to Brook as scoring more than Love.

[Bornindamecca]

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Love is out rebounding him easily and the only advantage Lopez has is in scoring. Again it is easier for him to score when two other guys on your team are all stars and drawing double teams.

You're rounding Love up and Lopez down with FG% It's 45 and 50% respectively, advantage Brook. Don't forget the shotblocking advantage, which is huge in Brook's favor, and a serious factor when judging big men. You say he's outrebounding brook easily, but he's only averaging half of a rebound more.

Numbers aside, I agree with much of everything else you said. Rose and Mayo get the advantage right now, but Brook is showing some signs that require discussion. As far as Love, Brook looks superior in every way aside from rebounding, and then only by half of a rebound.

When I said emphasis on scoring, I was only talking about looking at Mayo and Rose against a hypothetical Brook Lopez that continues to improve. He's a rookie, and they've mastered inconsistency, so we'll have to wait and see. Point being, it's not as black and white as it was the first month of the season by any stretch.

[Checmate101]

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Man, this Lebron things going to msg to see if he can match Kobe is getting overhyped..Just crazy

[PrettyT11]

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You're rounding Love up and Lopez down with FG% It's 45 and 50% respectively, advantage Brook. Don't forget the shotblocking advantage, which is huge in Brook's favor, and a serious factor when judging big men. You say he's outrebounding brook easily, but he's only averaging half of a rebound more.

Numbers aside, I agree with much of everything else you said. Rose and Mayo get the advantage right now, but Brook is showing some signs that require discussion. As far as Love, Brook looks superior in every way aside from rebounding, and then only by half of a rebound.

When I said emphasis on scoring, I was only talking about looking at Mayo and Rose against a hypothetical Brook Lopez that continues to improve. He's a rookie, and they've mastered inconsistency, so we'll have to wait and see. Point being, it's not as black and white as it was the first month of the season by any stretch.

With the rebounding again you have to look at the minutes played. Brook plays 30 minutes a night compared to Love's 23. On a per 40 mintes average Love is at 17.7 to Brook's 12.8. Then again we are talking about their recent play. Since Janurary Love is at 10 boards a game to Lopez 8.7 and again he is playing alot less minutes. That is a clear edge for Love on the glass. I already gave Lopez the nod on the shot blocking.

As far as everything else I'm with on that. If he continues at this rate he is in the discussion.

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Man, this Lebron things going to msg to see if he can match Kobe is getting overhyped..Just crazy

More BSPN trash

I hate when they are trying to create some drama because they have an actualy problem reporting the news itself.

LeBron's trying to carry his team into a deep playoff run not go on some selfish scoring run just to make some media hacks spasm all over themselves. If they aren't impressed with him by now then they're the one's with the problem.

The guy (just set a record they are ignoring) is the youngest to hit 12k yet they'd rather focus on some will he can he instead of what he's already accomplished.