Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

[DC]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

I didn't say it is an absolute logic. I am saying that he might be a better shooter (outside) because he is taking more RELAXED shots out there. With the Celtics, he is taking only wide open jumpers and with the pressure of being on a great team combined with the pressure of having to deliver on the FEW outside shots that he takes, he could just be LESS nervous if he was shooting those same shots on a bad team.

It is NOT an absolute logc. SHooting on a bad team means you will become a BETTER shooter

Why extreme it to Mike Miller and Ray Allen? Of course I am not going that far man.

[PrettyT11]

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20 and 10? Why 20 and 10 why can't he put up 15 9 8 and 2 playing great defense?

Jason Kidd's stats never came close to Rondo.

Not to mention this is only Rondo's 2nd year starting.

I can tell you know for all the doubters winning a ring 1st year as a starting pg is ridiculously hard.

If Rondo gets a decent jump shot he could very well be the best pg in the game

Man what are you on seriously?? First of all Rondo is at 12,8, and 5 not 15,9,and 8. So he is not putting up those kind of numbers.

Did you actually just compare and say Rondo is better than the HOF Jason Kidd ever was???

So since you say Kidd has never put up the numbers Rondo has let me show you. Kidd put up 16,9,7 and 2 his SECOND year in the NBA. Topping Rondo in EVERY category. Let's look at 98-99 season. All Kidd did that year was put up 17 points, 11 assists which lead the league, 7 rebounds, over 2 steals, and made all NBA FIRST team and all defensive FIRST team. I keep keep going but you should see how stupid that statement you made is by now. I mean all Kidd has is a rookie of the year, SIX time All NBA, NINE times all defense, and take the Nets to two straight NBA finals with ZERO all stars. Please don't EVER put Rondo name next to Jason Kidd's EVER again.

[GSW]

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ive been lurking.

This junk is hillarious.

Rondo is a beast. But in no way shape or form does he compare to the value of Jason Kidd at the same age...not even in the same stratosphere.

This is when numbers lie.

although i will say they are both really good rebounders from the pg spot.

Rajon is nowhere near the passer Jason Kidd was, or is still for that matter. Im inclined to beleive his assit numbers come due to the fact that he plays with 3 hall of fame players.
That is not a knock against him, its just the truth...if you apss to ray allen 8-10 youre getting an assist tallied...its just the facts.

Jason Kidd CREATES for others...HisD at the pg spot was one of the best of ALL TIME, he has the most amazing court vision ever, and he is going to the HOF.

Rajon is still a beast so its not liek people are saying dude sucks.

Just lets take the numbers and put some perspective behind them.

[DC]

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Well if we are talking about early years; Kidd played with GREAT scorers in Mash and Jim Jackson. So we have to remember Kidd had supreme targets as well.

Jackson + Mashburns scoring ability THEN rivals that of KG, Ray Ray, and PP now.

Hell in 1996 Kidd played with FOUR 18+ PPG scorers - http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/1996.html

So Kidd has ALWAYS had targets man.

[DC]

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Man just click on the team's name for each year and just LOOK; Kidd has ALWAYS had scorers around him

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kiddja01.html

[GSW]

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Devils Advocate

he made them into those types of scorers. (besides mash)

[ProfessaPackMan]

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2002-2003 Nets say otherwise.

[JBH3]

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I didn't say it is an absolute logic. I am saying that he might be a better shooter (outside) because he is taking more RELAXED shots out there. With the Celtics, he is taking only wide open jumpers and with the pressure of being on a great team combined with the pressure of having to deliver on the FEW outside shots that he takes, he could just be LESS nervous if he was shooting those same shots on a bad team.

It is NOT an absolute logc. SHooting on a bad team means you will become a BETTER shooter

Why extreme it to Mike Miller and Ray Allen? Of course I am not going that far man.

You're a Rondo apologist aren't you?

Mike Miller, Ray Allen...It's not extremee...it's simple.

Rondo misses wide open jumpers because he doesn't have good mechanics...all this nervous stuff etc. is A FAR TOO whimsical way of looking at things.

He suffers from not having good mechanics. Period.

Hubie Brown doesn't say Rondo is having a hard time shooting because he's nervous that KG, Pierce, and Ray are going to rheem him in the locker room.

Its because...he's just not a good shooter. End. Of. Story.

He's a slasher right now, who can possibly develop a jumper if he works on his mechanics.

...And you're definitely not going to become a better shooter on a team w/ less scorers. At that point you're going to be chucking way too many shots and developing bad habits.

If he can't hit a wide open jumper from 17 how the hell is he going to hit a jumper from 9 w/ a hand in his face or a double team?

c'mon man...

ive been lurking.

Rondo is a beast. But in no way shape or form does he compare to the value of Jason Kidd at the same age...not even in the same stratosphere.

This is when numbers lie.

although i will say they are both really good rebounders from the pg spot.

Jason Kidd CREATES for others...HisD at the pg spot was one of the best of ALL TIME, he has the most amazing court vision ever, and he is going to the HOF.

Rajon is still a beast so its not liek people are saying dude sucks.

Just lets take the numbers and put some perspective behind them.

Man just click on the team's name for each year and just LOOK; Kidd has ALWAYS had scorers around him

http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../kiddja01.html

Jefferson has struggled mightily in Milwaukee.

Vince had his best years w/ Kidd as his PG.

Kidd made Kenyon Martin into a beast, and K-Mart owes half of his huge contract to Kidd.

Jason Kidd doesn't dominate the ball, and has been the best creator in the league for awhile; w/ CP3 carrying the torch now.

[P2K]

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Well if we are talking about early years; Kidd played with GREAT scorers in Mash and Jim Jackson. So we have to remember Kidd had supreme targets as well.

Jackson + Mashburns scoring ability THEN rivals that of KG, Ray Ray, and PP now.

Hell in 1996 Kidd played with FOUR 18+ PPG scorers - http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/1996.html

So Kidd has ALWAYS had targets man.

Kidd made George "All I Can Do Is Shoot 3's" McCloud into an 18 ppg scorer...who only started because Mash was hurt. McCloud, who was a total *** scratcher of a lotto pick, was made to look respectable for ONE friggin' year. And yet, you don't give Kidd dap for that???

[DC]

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JHB you really misunderstood my point. I KNOW Rondo is currently not a good shooter. My point was that I THINK he would be a better shooter if he was on a team that put not as much pressure on him.

Why you are speaking about him not being able to shoot is mechanics vs pressure is not what my point was. The nervousness (pressure) is just another reason why he is having trouble knocking down open jumpshots for the Celtics. It is not the ONLY reason. Yes mechansics is another reason as well.



P2K & JHB; again you took what I said out of context. My point was that you can't hold it against Rondo that he is playing with 3 HOF Dudes. I am not saying he is on Kidd's level because he isn't. I simply said J Kidd played with proven scorers as well.

[JBH3]

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Kidd made George "All I Can Do Is Shoot 3's" McCloud into an 18 ppg scorer...who only started because Mash was hurt. McCloud, who was a total *** scratcher of a lotto pick, was made to look respectable for ONE friggin' year. And yet, you don't give Kidd dap for that???

We are pretty much at the point where the only way DC is going to realize exactly how Kidd impacted all these "targets" is if he goes back and looks at the game tapes so he can see how these guys were able to get the ball in their hands.

Statistical "analysis" isn't going to tell you this.

[DC]

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We definitely aren't on the same page here. I haven't denied Kidd's influence but you seem to find a way to twist and turn my words around. I tap out. No need to go back and forth. I am not a basketball idiot and I don't need to prove that I have basketball common sense. Which you are essentially telling my I don't have by ACCUSING me of saying Kidd doesn't make everyone around him better.

You got it though

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I can't believe this thread went 2 more pages after somebody actually tried to compare Rondo and Kidd.

I'm actually offended by that and think infractions should be handed out for that.


















obvious sarcasm.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

Well if we are talking about early years; Kidd played with GREAT scorers in Mash and Jim Jackson. So we have to remember Kidd had supreme targets as well.

Jackson + Mashburns scoring ability THEN rivals that of KG, Ray Ray, and PP now.

Hell in 1996 Kidd played with FOUR 18+ PPG scorers - http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/1996.html

So Kidd has ALWAYS had targets man.

First take a look at that again. It was THREE not FOUR and you can't really count Mash seeing as how he played a total of 18 GAMES that year. So that turns your FOUR into TWO.

I can't believe you are saying that TWO scorers outweigh THREE. KG,Pierce, and Ray are all 20 plus scores. So 60 plus points is morethan 40. Secondly if you look at Jackson and Mashburn it's no secret that thier BEST years came with Kidd at the point. Neither of them where the same after Kidd.

Man just click on the team's name for each year and just LOOK; Kidd has ALWAYS had scorers around him

http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../kiddja01.html

What are you talking about?? More times than not Kidd was the second or third leading scorer on his team. He turned the like of Cliff Robinson in his 30's into a leading scorer. Plus Cliff, Marion, Martin, Jefferson, or any of those other guys that he played with where EVER number one options or go to guys. Again it's no secret their best years where with Kidd at the PG. To compare those guys to the likes of HOF'ers is just

[JBH3]

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I didn't say it is an absolute logic. I am saying that he might be a better shooter (outside) because he is taking more RELAXED shots out there. With the Celtics, he is taking only wide open jumpers and with the pressure of being on a great team combined with the pressure of having to deliver on the FEW outside shots that he takes, he could just be LESS nervous if he was shooting those same shots on a bad team.

It is NOT an absolute logc. SHooting on a bad team means you will become a BETTER shooter

If its not an absolute logic?

Then why do you make an absolute statement, or should there be a "doesn't" before "mean". Seriously...It seems like you contradict yourself. I'm not even trying to be a stickler either.

Because I interpret that statement as you saying shooting on a bad team makes you better...period.

...And I say if you have bad shooting mechanics on a good team they don't change now that you have less "perceived" pressure on a bad team.

A wide open 17ft jumper, is a wide open 17ft jumper. It doesn't matter what team you play for. Its wide open...

What scoring pressure is there on Rondo??? Maybe there was some in the NCAAs when he missed those freethrows...

But he plays w/ Pierce, Allen, and KG...If he scores 10 pts a night they've got a better chance of winning, and he can just do that slashing to the hoop.

A better jumper is only going to come if he works on his mechanics...not because he takes Lexapro to calm his nerves before a gm. :wink:

JHB you really misunderstood my point. I KNOW Rondo is currently not a good shooter. My point was that I THINK he would be a better shooter if he was on a team that put not as much pressure on him.

Why you are speaking about him not being able to shoot is mechanics vs pressure is not what my point was. The nervousness (pressure) is just another reason why he is having trouble knocking down open jumpshots for the Celtics. It is not the ONLY reason. Yes mechansics is another reason as well.

P2K & JHB; again you took what I said out of context. My point was that you can't hold it against Rondo that he is playing with 3 HOF Dudes. I am not saying he is on Kidd's level because he isn't. I simply said J Kidd played with proven scorers as well.

Proven scorers in the sense that Jason Kidd proved they could be scorers...:wink: