Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

[dossier]

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I find it funny how this argument is brought up here but no one ever mentions this about Chris Paul. Paul tosses it to some of the best shooters at their position in the NBA on a nightly basis yet no one seems to notice. Every game he gets 5 assists just picking and popping with David West. HOFers, no, great shooters at their positions, yes. You wanna talk about easy assists and inflated numbers, look no further

Peja is shooting well below his carreer averages.

So other then David West and Peja who isn't even shooting that well who are these "best shooters at their positions"?

[SpacemanSpiff]

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Nobody is twisting anything. I guess you don't comprehend english very well. When you bring somebody into the discussion that was NEVER mentioned before and make a statement like
JASON KIDD'S STATS NEVER CAME CLOSE TO RONDO's
That is a DIRECT comparison between the two players numbers. Not only did you DIRECTLY compare his numbers to Kidd's you went as far as to say Rondo's was superior. When you say they NEVER came close you are saying his numbers are vastly better than Kidd's. What don't you understand about it??

ROFL. PrettyT11 is rocking this <strike>dude</strike> homer all thread. Great entertainment value.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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Nobody is twisting anything. I guess you don't comprehend english very well. When you bring somebody into the discussion that was NEVER mentioned before and make a statement like
JASON KIDD'S STATS NEVER CAME CLOSE TO RONDO's

In they're 1st two seasons Rondo's isn't better but more efficient ..40% shooting-51% shooting need I say more?

Kidd had way more opportunities to score.

Like I said Rondo and Kidd are comparable for instance tonight Rondo 3 points 4 rebounds 17 assist Kidd type of game.

You keep making it like the Big 3 makes Rondo..Rondo has been a great passer everywhere he's been Eastern High,Oak Hill,Ky,and Now Boston.

Like I said put Rondo in a uptempo system like Jason Kidd was he'll probably have better statistics easily.

The Celtics hurts Rondo's game more than you know,Rondo is a uptempo guard on a slow pace team.

I can compare all I want because they're stats are very similar BUT NEVER DID I SAY RONDO IS SUPERIOR NOR BETTER THAN KIDD IN HIS PRIME.

I'll say this he's going to be one of the main components on the Celtics 2nd ring

[fluent2332]

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Peja is shooting well below his carreer averages.

So other then David West and Peja who isn't even shooting that well who are these "best shooters at their positions"?

Peja is still a top 3 shooter at the SF position, if not the best pure shooter there. West is top 3 shooter at PF, if not the best. Those 2 are enough to prove my point, they both catch and shoot off screens and pick and pops. If you watch Paul play at least half of his assists are these types of assists. Pitch it to a 3 point shooter and he knocks down a shot. Then you have athletic bigs who only score off dunks and garbage points (Armstrong and Chandler), and are good for an assist or 2 a night off lobs. If you go down the bench you have more standstill 3 point shooters who do not create off the dribble - Butler is a very good 3 point shooter, Peterson and Posey are both very good catch and shoot 3 point shooters. Many of his assists come from bassline screens for these shooters and then Paul passing to them for a 3. But if you need more proof just watch the games...

[dossier]

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Peja is still a top 3 shooter at the SF position, if not the best pure shooter there. West is top 3 shooter at PF, if not the best. Those 2 are enough to prove my point, they both catch and shoot off screens and pick and pops. If you watch Paul play at least half of his assists are these types of assists. Pitch it to a 3 point shooter and he knocks down a shot. Then you have athletic bigs who only score off dunks and garbage points (Armstrong and Chandler), and are good for an assist or 2 a night off lobs. If you go down the bench you have more standstill 3 point shooters who do not create off the dribble - Butler is a very good 3 point shooter, Peterson and Posey are both very good catch and shoot 3 point shooters. Many of his assists come from bassline screens for these shooters and then Paul passing to them for a 3. But if you need more proof just watch the games...

So what you're saying is Paul is overrated because he gets the ball to wide open players to take the jump shot, or players who can only dunk the ball near the basket?

And Dirk is easily the best shooting foward in league history, West isn't even close

[fluent2332]

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So what you're saying is Paul is overrated because he gets the ball to wide open players to take the jump shot, or players who can only dunk the ball near the basket?

And Dirk is easily the best shooting foward in league history, West isn't even close

I just think it's funny that the "system player" argument is brought up for everyone else in the league, but everyone shuts up when Chris Paul is mentioned. It was just an observation. CP to me is overrated, in terms of court vision is equal with quite a few other PGs in the league. DWill, Kidd, Nash, all have equal if not better court vision. I'm also saying that while he leads the league in assists, more than half of them are easy, it's not like every pass he's threading the defense with some brilliant pass, which some people seem to think. He is good though.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I like how 2K8 keeps trying to switch his words around and ignore FACTS that go against what he's saying. Great late night entertainment.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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Because I never said Rondo was better than Kidd. I did say J.Kidd never had better stats than Rondo sure my mistake yet in they're 1st two seasons very similar.

Professa Rondo must've pissed in your cereal because all you do is hate.You could put Rondo on the Hawks and he'll do even better replace Rondo with Nash on the Suns and they're better.

Quit bringing up the Big 3 argument because it's not working none of them was proven winners until they linked together with a soon to be great pg.

[Bornindamecca]

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I just saw Rondo compared to Jason Kidd, and CP3 referred to as overrated.

Thanks, Ladies and Gentleman, and goodnight!

[ProfessaPackMan]

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No 2K it's just amazing how much of a homer you are by saying how Rondo is a top 3 PG and to even go as far as comparing him to Kidd(which you did otherwise Kidd wouldn't have been brought up)and ignore FACTS that people have provided only to continue to ignore them.

And I don't know how the Hawks were brought into this when all I asked was if Rondo was on the Nets without no other All Stars on the team, would he be putting up the same numbers or better and would he still be a Top 3 PG, in your opinion if he was in Jersey?

[PrettyT11]

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Because I never said Rondo was better than Kidd. I did say J.Kidd never had better stats than Rondo sure my mistake yet in they're 1st two seasons very similar.

Professa Rondo must've pissed in your cereal because all you do is hate.You could put Rondo on the Hawks and he'll do even better replace Rondo with Nash on the Suns and they're better.

Quit bringing up the Big 3 argument because it's not working none of them was proven winners until they linked together with a soon to be great pg.

How can you continue to type out this stupidity?? How can you say Kidd has never had better numbers than Rondo when has numerous seasons of averaging a double doulbe and lead the league in assists?? Has Rondo ever done any of that?? NO

Secondly their first two season are in NO way similar. Kidd was ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. Rondo could barely be a starter on a 25 win team. Then second season Rondo gave you 11 points, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds. Kidd gave you 17 points, 10 assists, and 7 rebounds. Thats 6 more points, TWICE as many assists, and 3 more rebounds. How in the blue hell is that similar??

You continue to amaze me with your blinded love of Rondo and pure foolishness and or lack of basketball knowledge. First he was better than a HOF Kidd and now you are saying you could replace a TWO TIME MVP with Rondo and they would have been a better team. Keep it coming man I need a good laugh.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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You can compare anyone to anyone. Kidd's stats is overwhelming Rondo's by no means.

Like I said NEVER did I say Rondo was BETTER than KIDD stats is only part of it.

They have similar stats. Both are known for playmaking,rebounding,and defense It's just some of you make it like you have to only score to be effective and what makes Kidd a top 5 pg ever is that he could control games scoring only 5 points much like Rajon does now.

MY WHOLE POINT WAS THE 20 AND 10 BS.....THAT WASN'T WHAT J.KIDD WAS ABOUT AND NEITHER IS RONDO.

In Rondo's prime I could see him averaging 17-18ppg,9-10 apg,7 rebounds,and 2 steals

Really all he has to do is improve on his Ft's and he could very well be there this season

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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How can you continue to type out this stupidity?? How can you say Kidd has never had better numbers than Rondo when has numerous seasons of averaging a double doulbe and lead the league in assists?? Has Rondo ever done any of that?? NO

Secondly their first two season are in NO way similar. Kidd was ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. Rondo could barely be a starter on a 25 win team. Then second season Rondo gave you 11 points, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds. Kidd gave you 17 points, 10 assists, and 7 rebounds. Thats 6 more points, TWICE as many assists, and 3 more rebounds. How in the blue hell is that similar??

You continue to amaze me with your blinded love of Rondo and pure foolishness and or lack of basketball knowledge. First he was better than a HOF Kidd and now you are saying you could replace a TWO TIME MVP with Rondo and they would have been a better team. Keep it coming man I need a good laugh.

ARE YOU A FOOL SHOW ME WHERE I SAID HE WAS BETTER THAN J.KIDD AND I'LL SHUT UP.

Like I said two different situation even DC mentioned

Rondo is playing for his 2nd ring, Kidd was playing for nothing.So of course his stats would be way better but you keep forgetting he shot 40% while Rajon shoots 51% on a championship level team.I don't think you understand the game of basketball.Because EVERYONE OF THE BIG 3 STATS HAS DROPPED SINCE THE TEAM JOINED IS IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE? NO IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE FOCUSED ON TROPHY'S AND RINGS RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL STATS.

Right now Rondo is better than Nash.I never thought Nash was ever the best pg in the game and the main reason the Suns couldn't make it anywhere is because of Parker torching Nash every playoff series.

Rondo's great defense can make up for his only offensive downfall which is shooting.

Like I said show me where I said Rondo is BETTER than Kidd.Right now he does HAVE POTENTIAL to be just as good as Kidd.

[BigTigLSU]

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I just think it's funny that the "system player" argument is brought up for everyone else in the league, but everyone shuts up when Chris Paul is mentioned. It was just an observation. CP to me is overrated, in terms of court vision is equal with quite a few other PGs in the league. DWill, Kidd, Nash, all have equal if not better court vision. I'm also saying that while he leads the league in assists, more than half of them are easy, it's not like every pass he's threading the defense with some brilliant pass, which some people seem to think. He is good though.

No person on the Hornets out side of David West can create their own shot other than when Peja gets a streak going which happens less and less... There is no way to get open shots unless CP3 creates that opportunity if you watch a few Hornets games you will see how the offense looks when CP# goes on the bench or when he was out with an injury.... they struggled scoring they struggled defending and there were no open shots... You say its an easy assist because the man is wide open my question is how did he get open... if CP3 is the one handling the ball and aren't any screens being run except a for a pick and roll set by Chandler or Sean Marks yeah that Sean MArks

[Po Pimp]

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To those saying Rondo would score more on a team if he was a 1st or 2nd option are smoking crack. Rondo can't shoot! Rondo can't even hit FTs consistently! If Rondo didn't have good players around him, and he was the focal point of the defense, his numbers would take a MAJOR nosedive.

To whoever says Chris Paul is overrated as a playmaker, you're also smoking that stuff too. CP3 can make every type of pass, he'd efficient as a scorer, he understands tempo, etc...

I do agree his assist numbers are probably inflated due to NO's system, but he's still a top PG in the NBA. Paul and Williams are 1a and 1b as far as I'm concerned. They are basically even as far as points and assists go (despite Paul averaging 20+ to WIlliams 19, and Paul 11 assists to Williams' 10), but the fact that Paul averages more rebounds doesn't necessarily make him a better rebounder if that makes any sense. Sometimes Paul takes the rebound himself and start the break. In Utah, Williams may box out for one of his bigs and they get the rebound to pass it to him.

Paul also doesn't play with the athletes that Williams does. Rasual Butler and Peja are not quick to the ball, and West and Chandler are good rebounders, so they may get boxed out, which allows a quick Paul to get to the ball. In Utah, Williams plays with athletic wings and has 2 PFs that are great rebounders (Boozer and Milsap) and Okur is tall enough to grab boards. Its just not Williams responsibility to grab boards.