Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

[DC]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

I didn't make an absolute statement, I made a situational statement. We were talking about ROndo correct? That is who I was referring to.

[JBH3]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

I didn't make an absolute statement, I made a situational statement. We were talking about ROndo correct? That is who I was referring to.

So now we are talking semantics...

Is it me or are you just not communicating your point very well?

[DC]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

I guess I am not communicating it very well if you aren't understanding it.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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I can't believe this thread went 2 more pages after somebody actually tried to compare Rondo and Kidd.

I'm actually offended by that and think infractions should be handed out for that.

I never compared Kidd to Rondo... Stats wise it's pretty simple to do Rondo has him beat.

He brought up until Rondo puts up 20 and 10 don't mention him in the top 5,yet Jason Kidd never put up them type of numbers or was as effecient as Rondo scoring ,but he's a HOF point guard...That was my point

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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I understand exactly where you're coming from DC.

More shots=More confidence=Better shooting

You have to play basketball to realize this....

Sometimes Rondo takes only 2-3 shots per game and he only attempts 2-3 jumpers per game on a regular night meaning if he makes only 1-3 he's labeled a bad shooter.

Like DC said about the 2k rosters when I edit my players Jason Kidd and Rondo are usually low 90's and to me it doesn't seem fair but the only thing they couldn't do in they're careers was shoot

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I never compared Kidd to Rondo... Stats wise it's pretty simple to do Rondo has him beat.

He brought up until Rondo puts up 20 and 10 don't mention him in the top 5,yet Jason Kidd never put up them type of numbers or was as effecient as Rondo scoring ,but he's a HOF point guard...That was my point

Has already been proven false so please stop making things up.

[BigTigLSU]

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Man just click on the team's name for each year and just LOOK; Kidd has ALWAYS had scorers around him

http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../kiddja01.html

He has decent finishers but no one who is PP Allen or KG level all at the same time...

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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So since you say Kidd has never put up the numbers Rondo has let me show you. Kidd put up 16,9,7 and 2 his SECOND year in the NBA. Topping Rondo in EVERY category. Let's look at 98-99 season. All Kidd did that year was put up 17 points, 11 assists which lead the league, 7 rebounds, over 2 steals, and made all NBA FIRST team and all defensive FIRST team.

You do realize Kidd also shot 38% that year also right? also played 4 more minutes also.

That was Kidd's 6th season starting give Rondo 4 more years and compare his stats when he's in his prime.

Like I said I never compared Kidd I know Kidd is a hof player and Rondo has a far far way to go before being on Kidd's level I was just cross referencing the 20 and 10 because throughout J.Kidd's career he never did that though many years he was the best pg in the game.

He relied on setting up his teammates,rebounding,and great defense much like Rajon that was my point

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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Has already been proven false so please stop making things up.

Jason Kidd's best scoring season 18.7 41% shooting and 8.9 assist never was it 20 and 10 like mentioned.

Over his career 13.9 ppg 9.2 assist 6.7 rebounds 40% shooting

Rondo as a starter 50% shooting and 11 ppg which proves he is a MORE EFFECIENT SCORER.

Kidd's career was based on setting up his teammates,rebounding,and playing great defense just like Rajon.

Kidd was never an effecient scorer he was an elite playmaker and defender.

[P2K]

Re: Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

Jason Kidd's best scoring season 18.7 41% shooting and 8.9 assist never was it 20 and 10 like mentioned.

Over his career 13.9 ppg 9.2 assist 6.7 rebounds 40% shooting

Rondo as a starter 50% shooting and 11 ppg which proves he is a MORE EFFECIENT SCORER.

Kidd's career was based on setting up his teammates,rebounding,and playing great defense just like Rajon.

Kidd was never an effecient scorer he was an elite playmaker and defender.

Rondo is shooting at 50% because damn near all his points are from driving the lane. And he is able to do so with ease because the floor is so spaced out, plus no one is concentrating on him. Credit to him for being able to capitalize, but still...

Meanwhile, his jump shooting is ****.

At least Kidd is a "decent" threat from the arc over his career. Rondo's perimeter is non-existent.

Look back at Rondo's rookie year. Effiecient scorer, you say? 41%? Rookie year, yes. But no HoF'ers to give him space. Second year, the Big 3 come together...Rondo's FG% flies up to 49-50%. Assists go up.

Rondo is good. Could go on to better, but uh...

[KG]

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Rondo is shooting at 50% because damn near all his points are from driving the lane. And he is able to do so with ease because the floor is so spaced out, plus no one is concentrating on him. Credit to him for being able to capitalize, but still...

Meanwhile, his jump shooting is ****.

At least Kidd is a "decent" threat from the arc over his career. Rondo's perimeter is non-existent.

Look back at Rondo's rookie year. Effiecient scorer, you say? 41%? Rookie year, yes. But no HoF'ers to give him space. Second year, the Big 3 come together...Rondo's FG% flies up to 49-50%. Assists go up.

Rondo is good. Could go on to better, but uh...

Kidd is stroking this year, 40% from downtown.

[PrettyT11]

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You do realize Kidd also shot 38% that year also right? also played 4 more minutes also.

That was Kidd's 6th season starting give Rondo 4 more years and compare his stats when he's in his prime.

Like I said I never compared Kidd I know Kidd is a hof player and Rondo has a far far way to go before being on Kidd's level I was just cross referencing the 20 and 10 because throughout J.Kidd's career he never did that though many years he was the best pg in the game.

He relied on setting up his teammates,rebounding,and great defense much like Rajon that was my point

Nice job picking on that one year but I aslo gave you Kidd's numbers from his SECOND year. He was AHEAD of Rondo in EVERY category that year. So you can really pick any year of Kidd's career and it was better than what Rondo is doing now with three HOF'ers.

Second he didn't say Rondo had to be 20 and 10. It's just the guys you listed as having great teammates all did 20 and 10. Rondo has never come close to that. But you did point out that Kidd did 19 and 9 which is awfully damn close. Plus all the other years he averaged a double double. Has Rondo did that yet?? No he hasn't.

Lasty you say you never compared him to Kidd. Then how did Kidd get brought up?? If you don't remember see below. You DIRECTLY compared him to Kidd by saying

20 and 10? Why 20 and 10 why can't he put up 15 9 8 and 2 playing great defense?

Jason Kidd's stats never came close to Rondo.

Not to mention this is only Rondo's 2nd year starting.

I can tell you know for all the doubters winning a ring 1st year as a starting pg is ridiculously hard.

If Rondo gets a decent jump shot he could very well be the best pg in the game

Need I say anymore??

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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Stats every year Kidd was shooting low 40's high 30's that's not very effective.He also shot just as bad as Rondo FT % wise in his early years. I meant per 48 in kidd's early seasons not his prime.


The difference is also Kidd played in a much much much more faster pace offense than Rajon..Put Rajon with back in Phoenix and you'll see the same numbers.

Look at Rondo w/o one of the big 3 and look at how much his stats rise.

As far as the court spacing it's actually hilarious because w/o KG he's shooting 17% better than his already 50%.

Like I said I never compared Kidd and Rondo DIRECTLY I just said they're similar not that he's SUPERIOR OR BETTER than Kidd.

So quit twisting my words around

[PrettyT11]

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Like I said I never compared Kidd and Rondo DIRECTLY I just said they're similar not that he's SUPERIOR OR BETTER than Kidd.

So quit twisting my words around

Nobody is twisting anything. I guess you don't comprehend english very well. When you bring somebody into the discussion that was NEVER mentioned before and make a statement like
JASON KIDD'S STATS NEVER CAME CLOSE TO RONDO's
That is a DIRECT comparison between the two players numbers. Not only did you DIRECTLY compare his numbers to Kidd's you went as far as to say Rondo's was superior. When you say they NEVER came close you are saying his numbers are vastly better than Kidd's. What don't you understand about it??

[fluent2332]

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This is when numbers lie.

although i will say they are both really good rebounders from the pg spot.

Rajon is nowhere near the passer Jason Kidd was, or is still for that matter. Im inclined to beleive his assit numbers come due to the fact that he plays with 3 hall of fame players.
That is not a knock against him, its just the truth...if you apss to ray allen 8-10 youre getting an assist tallied...its just the facts.

I find it funny how this argument is brought up here but no one ever mentions this about Chris Paul. Paul tosses it to some of the best shooters at their position in the NBA on a nightly basis yet no one seems to notice. Every game he gets 5 assists just picking and popping with David West. HOFers, no, great shooters at their positions, yes. You wanna talk about easy assists and inflated numbers, look no further

I don't agree about Rondo's situation because every team in the NBA prepares for Rondo, that whole "no one focuses on Rondo so it's easier for him" thing may have happened last year, but after the finals Rondo is on every scouting report, especially since the Celtics play much better when Rondo has a big game. Teams prepare specifically for Rondo because they know he is the point gear that makes that wheel turn.