What scorer gives D's the biggest headaches?

[PopoWRX]

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I wouldn't say Dirk is good at D, cuz he is not. What he and the Mavericks on a whole are good at is situational D, getting those key stops at just the right time.

If Dirk can put on more muscle while keeping his agility he will become a stronger low-post defender and not get backdowned by the likes of Divac.

And yes, Dirk is the man who makes the Mavs go. He is the most important piece besides that jutterbug Nash and now Van Exel in the playoffs.

BTW, I voted for Garnett.

[PopoWRX]

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

I wouldn't say Dirk is good at D, cuz he is not. What he and the Mavericks on a whole are good at is situational D, getting those key stops at just the right time.

If Dirk can put on more muscle while keeping his agility he will become a stronger low-post defender and not get backdowned by the likes of Divac.

And yes, Dirk is the man who makes the Mavs go. He is the most important piece besides that jutterbug Nash and now Van Exel in the playoffs.

BTW, I voted for Garnett.

[LHayes37]

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Erod said:
Not to mention that AI doesn't play a lick of D himself.

Dirk outplays Garnett consistently. That was a poor point there, too.



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Dal vs. Min 2 wins a piece

Dirk...34ppg-9.25rpg-2.75apg
Garnett...28ppg-14.5rpg-6apg

Yeah, Dirk is really out playing him. Looks pretty even to me with a little edge to KG because of the assists. Could you Mavs fans please get a few facts before saying such things. By the way, Dirk isn't even a bad defender, he is down right awful. He has some of the slowest feet I have ever seen on the defensive end of the court. I've seen enough Mavs games to know what I'm talking about, not to mention hearing guys on TV marvel at how fluid he is on the offensive end yet look so out of on the defense. The kid is good no doubt, and he has plenty of time to improve on the defensive end, but I have news for you, nobody will ever confuse this guy with Larry Bird when it comes to a true all around game.

[LHayes37]

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Erod said:
Not to mention that AI doesn't play a lick of D himself.

Dirk outplays Garnett consistently. That was a poor point there, too.



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Dal vs. Min 2 wins a piece

Dirk...34ppg-9.25rpg-2.75apg
Garnett...28ppg-14.5rpg-6apg

Yeah, Dirk is really out playing him. Looks pretty even to me with a little edge to KG because of the assists. Could you Mavs fans please get a few facts before saying such things. By the way, Dirk isn't even a bad defender, he is down right awful. He has some of the slowest feet I have ever seen on the defensive end of the court. I've seen enough Mavs games to know what I'm talking about, not to mention hearing guys on TV marvel at how fluid he is on the offensive end yet look so out of on the defense. The kid is good no doubt, and he has plenty of time to improve on the defensive end, but I have news for you, nobody will ever confuse this guy with Larry Bird when it comes to a true all around game.

[Freelance]

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Check last year's Mavs-Wolves playoff series and get back to me.

[Freelance]

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Check last year's Mavs-Wolves playoff series and get back to me.

[Mavsunsfan]

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DIRK. No one can stop him but himself. If you put kobe on him, he'll post up or shoot over him. If you put a C or foward on him, he'll shoot or run around them.

DIRK = Best Shooter and overall player in the NBA.

[Mavsunsfan]

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DIRK. No one can stop him but himself. If you put kobe on him, he'll post up or shoot over him. If you put a C or foward on him, he'll shoot or run around them.

DIRK = Best Shooter and overall player in the NBA.

[brad]

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the fact with kg is hes a great player but really he's not a playoff performer he can't do it in crunch time dirk can

but u can't truthfully say kg causes more headaches because dirk can take u inside and out and be one of the best at it kg is a great player he's better then dirk but.......dirk can cause so many more offensive problems and he shows up when it counts

[brad]

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the fact with kg is hes a great player but really he's not a playoff performer he can't do it in crunch time dirk can

but u can't truthfully say kg causes more headaches because dirk can take u inside and out and be one of the best at it kg is a great player he's better then dirk but.......dirk can cause so many more offensive problems and he shows up when it counts

[FOXYboy]

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dirk, very deadly on the perimeter and too tall.

[FOXYboy]

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dirk, very deadly on the perimeter and too tall.

[texdirtbag]

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LHayes, the times dirk looks bad on Defense is when he is trying to guard a guard (how many 7 foot forwards do you know whose coaches put them on shooting guards or small forwards on defense?) sometimes when Dirk is guarding a small forward or a shooting guard, in zone, the smaller, quicker player will drive past him. However, he keeps smaller players in front of him more than a 7 footer should. Overall, Dirk is a GOOD defensive player. Watch him play D tonight against the Spurs. Dirk is a do it all player. He is counted on to score, and grab defensive rebounds. dirk is the best defensive rebounder on the Mavs.

Garnett is a great player as well, and i believe he should have been MVP this year. However, Dirk is the toughest matchup in the league and there has never been a 7 footer than can do what he can. Being only 24, he has a lot of improvement ahead of him, but even now noone really has an answer for him. The only way to guard him, is to hope his shot is cold.

If Dirk is such a bad defensive player, then why did Nellie put him on Duncan for the last and biggest play in game one, where Dirk stopped Duncan cold.

[texdirtbag]

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LHayes, the times dirk looks bad on Defense is when he is trying to guard a guard (how many 7 foot forwards do you know whose coaches put them on shooting guards or small forwards on defense?) sometimes when Dirk is guarding a small forward or a shooting guard, in zone, the smaller, quicker player will drive past him. However, he keeps smaller players in front of him more than a 7 footer should. Overall, Dirk is a GOOD defensive player. Watch him play D tonight against the Spurs. Dirk is a do it all player. He is counted on to score, and grab defensive rebounds. dirk is the best defensive rebounder on the Mavs.

Garnett is a great player as well, and i believe he should have been MVP this year. However, Dirk is the toughest matchup in the league and there has never been a 7 footer than can do what he can. Being only 24, he has a lot of improvement ahead of him, but even now noone really has an answer for him. The only way to guard him, is to hope his shot is cold.

If Dirk is such a bad defensive player, then why did Nellie put him on Duncan for the last and biggest play in game one, where Dirk stopped Duncan cold.

[Bad_Intentions]

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Erod said:
Do you watch basketball? Dirk is underrated if anything.

How many 7-footers in NBA history can you name that average 26 points and 12 rebounds and shoot 49 percent from the field, 47 percent on 3-pointers, and 91 percent from the line?

That's what Dirk's done IN THE PLAYOFFS!! He's hit 30 points six times, and 40 twice. He's also recorded 20 rebounds twice in the playoffs.

AI's a ball hog. How many 7-for-30s do you have to suffer through?

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<font color="red">I&amp;#8217;ll say it again, he ain&amp;#8217;t squat without, Finley and/or Nash. At least AI got his team to the finals without a reliable scorer. Dirk has two others, and still can&amp;#8217;t get there, so how good is he really?? And of course he would avg. at least 10rebs. a game, he&amp;#8217;s 7&amp;#8217;0&amp;#8221;!!! If you are that tall and can&amp;#8217;t rebound, you put shame to your profession. He only shoots that high because people have to worry about Nash and Finley. When Finley was out his shooting percentage was nowhere near that, and Nash became a non factor, so give me another reason of why he&amp;#8217;s so good??? Iverson shoots bad at times but he still is right there in fg% with Kobe, Bibby, Mash, and Payton. Its funny how you could call AI a ball hog when averages more asst then you starting point Nash. Check the stats.</font>

http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_post_season_leaders/LeagueLeadersAPGQuery.html

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Ok playoff avg's AI averaged 7.4 APG Nash is averaging 7.3! .1 difference? that doesnt say much, Look at the regular season stats though. AI had 5.5 apg(18th overall in the league) Nash had 7.3(8th overall) Bottom line AI doesnt average more assits than Nash.

I dont see how you can say Dirk isnt squat without nash or finely, this is just untrue. He is a matchup nightmare. He takes big guys out to the perimeter and drains shots, if a smaller man is switched to him he takes them inside for that devestating fade away. I really think he needs to work on his post up game more but right now his game is pretty tight. He is more than capable of scoring 1 on 1 and if anything Nash and Finley are benefiting more from Dirk than he is from them. I dont recall teams double teaming Nash or Finley much if at all. Saying he isnt squat without Nash/Finley is like saying Kobe isnt squat without Shaq...I mean its all speculation, no way to really prove it but opinions are opinions. As much as you may not want to admit it, Dirk is the premier player in Dallas.

Back to AI again, he shot 41% this year(ouch) from the field and i'll say about 28% from the arc. Kobe shot 45%, 38% from the land of 3, Bibby Shot 47% from the field and 40% from 3, Mash shot 42% from the field, 38% from 3, Payton shot 45% from the field, 30% from 3........with the exception of Mash(who i dont really consider a star and still had a higher % than AI) Those guys shot way better than AI so how do you figure he was "right there" with them fg% wise????