The Allen Iverson Saga

[candiasis]

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Billy King the loudmouth taking shots at the guy (while hes down) who kept him in a job all that time, very friggin classless man. Billy King getting fired (overdue) shortly after getting rid of his work horse AI showed that, people realised what was up, he was a terrible gm in philly. What was his last grand trade whilst ai was still there, bringing in Webber when he had no knees? Then trying to scape goat Webber and AI over some charity event they blew off, great work there Billy.

Thing is AI never talked crap about king/philly after he was traded away, what he did was go out and scorch them the next few matchups with his old team, let his game do the talking, and he still didn't say anything bitter or rub it in so to speak. Even when the press pushed for a negative comment about King after he was fired from philly he said he felt for the guys family and held no personal grudges. He gets it. But King, this guy is something else.

Larry Brown has had nothing but good things to say about AI since leaving philly (brown leaving that is), especially this off season and says he wants him in charlotte. Id take his basketball opinion over the bitter loud mouth King any day of the week thank you very much.

[P2K]

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Wasn't AI 1-3 vs. the Sixers until his last game last season when Detroit made it 2-3 with Iverson only playing like 17 minutes? Doesn't sound like scorching to me. Can't talk **** when you lose lol.

And I find it funny how anybody that isn't kissing AI's feet is put on the Iverson Lovers' Hit List and made out to be a public enemy. King was just telling the truth. Larry Brown, when he was GM here, felt you couldn't put alot of offensive talent around AI. Billy King took over when Brown left and tried to...with the trash Brown left over for him.

[candiasis]

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Wasn't AI 1-3 vs. the Sixers until his last game last season when Detroit made it 2-3 with Iverson only playing like 17 minutes? Doesn't sound like scorching to me. Can't talk **** when you lose lol.

And I find it funny how anybody that isn't kissing AI's feet is put on the Iverson Lovers' Hit List and made out to be a public enemy. King was just telling the truth. Larry Brown, when he was GM here, felt you couldn't put alot of offensive talent around AI. Billy King took over when Brown left and tried to...with the trash Brown left over for him.

Yeh looking at the games now it was 1-3, the first loss almost all denver's starting 5 were injured/suspended so wasn't really close, another loss was close (i think it came to a last second shot), another ai dropped 38 and 9 or something in a win and there was another close loss. AI put up pretty good stat lines in all the games, regular season games tho meh. The point was he didn't gloat take **** personal or whatever.

Re 2nd paragraph Billy King failed, ai had much less to work with during king's reign. If AI wasn't carrying those teams he put together, sixers would have been a low lottery team most of those years imo. All you have to do is look at the rosters. King's just trying to shift the blame on ai trying to hide his own short comings as GM by spinning it as such.

[AI3]

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/245445-why-should-iverson-change

Interesting 2 Page Article on A.I.

[P2K]

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Yeh looking at the games now it was 1-3, the first loss almost all denver's starting 5 were injured/suspended so wasn't really close, another loss was close (i think it came to a last second shot), another ai dropped 38 and 9 or something in a win and there was another close loss. AI put up pretty good stat lines in all the games, regular season games tho meh. The point was he didn't gloat take **** personal or whatever.

And again...you can't gloat if you're not winning. And to AI's credit, he was never one to talk bad about anyone.

Re 2nd paragraph Billy King failed, ai had much less to work with during king's reign. If AI wasn't carrying those teams he put together, sixers would have been a low lottery team most of those years imo. All you have to do is look at the rosters. King's just trying to shift the blame on ai trying to hide his own short comings as GM by spinning it as such.

Nobody is saying King didn't fail. I don't understand why you're arguing this. Have you seen the rosters Brown put together? Terrible. Nothing but old, defensive vets. Because Brown knew AI couldn't play with a super talented group. King took over that roster when Brown left and tried to give AI some offensive talent. He couldn't do much with the scrubs he inherited. Where he frigged up is resigning those scrubs. But even King found out it's hard to put offensive talent around Iverson because even Chris Webber couldn't stand playing with AI.

King has repeatedly said his faults as the Sixers' GM. He's never blamed anyone but himself. But he is telling the truth with this.

[Muzyk23]

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...iverson-change

Interesting 2 Page Article on A.I.

fantastic article - thanks

[candiasis]

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When King says definitive statements like "ai never made anyone around him better", that is some heavy sh*t man. He's basically writing off the guy's whole career with that one line, hes bitter about his own failures man and taking shots at the guy who kept him in a job for as long as he had one in the first place. AI never made the players around him better yet at 6ft dragged philly (with pitiful rosters) into the playoffs year in, year out with no public complaints about management or calling out any of his players. That infamous "practice rant" was actually the culmination of YEARS of frustration about crappy rosters, yet he never called anyone directly out nor asked for a trade, he always wanted desperately to win in philly. Kobe publically called out his own team mates and management all the time, pushed for a trade like a baby, actually was charged and tried for a friggin RAPE case and yet hes the untouchable golden boy. Unbelievable how the media plays up and influences other people's perceptions, it truly is man.

Furthermore when you say king tried to surround ai with offensive talent thats pretty myopic. He brought in guys who could maybe spot up for 3 or long 2 but at the expense of defense, the guys couldnt play d, thats on him. Webber was done in philly, DONE, his knees were gone why do you think he retired almost straight after that and sacremento were so eager to trade the guy. It hamstringed philly badly in those last years, with no interior d besides dalembert (not a great defensive player mind you) and no perimeter d those teams were doomed to fail thanks soley to king. In fact i was amazed philly even got a post season game off detroit in 05 with the roster they had (webber was the 2nd leading scorer and he couldnt even jump), ai was truly carrying the team on his back (05 was one of his best years).

If you think pairing ai with kyle korver, webber and an unskilled rookie in Iguodala etc equates to 'bringing in offensive talent' you're delusional. Give AI any half decent big man in the paint, and they would have gone to another finals during king's years. Fact of the matter is most nba stars haven't been to the finals, wont get to the finals, wont give half the effort ai did game in game out yet they wont face the level of criticism and vitriolic baseless crap ai gets. King did a considerably WORSE job in philly after brown left, they missed the playoffs twice if i recall correctly (although ai was hindered with injuries all year when they missed out in 04), with 2005-06 the culmination of atrocious roster decisions by king, and when ai finally lays down an ultimatum to either get the team better or trade him its the perfect scape goat opportuinty for king and he takes it even though ai never really wanted to leave he later said, he was trying to kick start them into bringing in good players.

Scapegoating ai saved king an extra year, made him some more money, but he didn't last long and was gone midway through the 07 season though. Hes probably wants some sort of basketball gig again so he's trying to change the perceptions about his dismal performance as phillies gm. Read between the lines.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Does anyone think A.I is/has been wrong in ANYTHING he has done AT ALL? I mean anything because it just seems like he's Mr. Untouchable everytime someone says something "negative" about him. Im not saying that's what happening but it's just the impression I get from reading this thread.

[candiasis]

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Does anyone think A.I is/has been wrong in ANYTHING he has done AT ALL? I mean anything because it just seems like he's Mr. Untouchable everytime someone says something "negative" about him. Im not saying that's what happening but it's just the impression I get from reading this thread.

It's just the double standards people apply to the guy and not others. Chris paul out first round last year, deron williams out 2nd round where's the criticism towards them? Since they have a more traditional stat line noone thinks anything of it, cause ai can score he gets torn to shreds.

[UNC_Pete]

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Any GM that signs AI is a fool.

[candiasis]

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You say that yet two of the most prominent tar heels in history are pushing the owner of the bobcats to sign him right now (Brown + MJ) but hes trying to sell the team atm or something so there are siginificant financial hurdles.

[P2K]

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When King says definitive statements like "ai never made anyone around him better", that is some heavy sh*t man. He's basically writing off the guy's whole career with that one line, hes bitter about his own failures man and taking shots at the guy who kept him in a job for as long as he had one in the first place. AI never made the players around him better yet at 6ft dragged philly (with pitiful rosters) into the playoffs year in, year out with no public complaints about management or calling out any of his players. That infamous "practice rant" was actually the culmination of YEARS of frustration about crappy rosters, yet he never called anyone directly out nor asked for a trade, he always wanted desperately to win in philly. Kobe publically called out his own team mates and management all the time, pushed for a trade like a baby, actually was charged and tried for a friggin RAPE case and yet hes the untouchable golden boy. Unbelievable how the media plays up and influences other people's perceptions, it truly is man.

Furthermore when you say king tried to surround ai with offensive talent thats pretty myopic. He brought in guys who could maybe spot up for 3 or long 2 but at the expense of defense, the guys couldnt play d, thats on him. Webber was done in philly, DONE, his knees were gone why do you think he retired almost straight after that and sacremento were so eager to trade the guy. It hamstringed philly badly in those last years, with no interior d besides dalembert (not a great defensive player mind you) and no perimeter d those teams were doomed to fail thanks soley to king. In fact i was amazed philly even got a post season game off detroit in 05 with the roster they had (webber was the 2nd leading scorer and he couldnt even jump), ai was truly carrying the team on his back (05 was one of his best years).

If you think pairing ai with kyle korver, webber and an unskilled rookie in Iguodala etc equates to 'bringing in offensive talent' you're delusional. Give AI any half decent big man in the paint, and they would have gone to another finals during king's years. Fact of the matter is most nba stars haven't been to the finals, wont get to the finals, wont give half the effort ai did game in game out yet they wont face the level of criticism and vitriolic baseless crap ai gets. King did a considerably WORSE job in philly after brown left, they missed the playoffs twice if i recall correctly (although ai was hindered with injuries all year when they missed out in 04), with 2005-06 the culmination of atrocious roster decisions by king, and when ai finally lays down an ultimatum to either get the team better or trade him its the perfect scape goat opportuinty for king and he takes it even though ai never really wanted to leave he later said, he was trying to kick start them into bringing in good players.

Scapegoating ai saved king an extra year, made him some more money, but he didn't last long and was gone midway through the 07 season though. Hes probably wants some sort of basketball gig again so he's trying to change the perceptions about his dismal performance as phillies gm. Read between the lines.

I guess you missed where I said Billy King admitted his faults as GM of the Sixers. He never blamed anyone but himself. Just because someone asked him about AI and he told the truth doesn't mean he is putting his failures on Iverson. If you poked Larry Brown for a real answer, he would say the same.

Or do you forget all those press conferences where LB threw AI under the bus?

[P2K]

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It's just the double standards people apply to the guy and not others. Chris paul out first round last year, deron williams out 2nd round where's the criticism towards them? Since they have a more traditional stat line noone thinks anything of it, cause ai can score he gets torn to shreds.

Chris Paul and Deron Williams are willing to play within a team concept on offense and defense.

Can you say the same about Iverson? No. Anybody that disagrees is just a blind AI groupie.

[Cebby]

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It's just the double standards people apply to the guy and not others. Chris paul out first round last year, deron williams out 2nd round where's the criticism towards them? Since they have a more traditional stat line noone thinks anything of it, cause ai can score he gets torn to shreds.

Do you sometimes scribble addresses too sloppy when you jot them?

[Bornindamecca]

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Do you sometimes scribble addresses too sloppy when you jot them?

Nice.