The Allen Iverson Saga

[candiasis]

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No offence but your circular logic analogy failed, failed hard.

[P2K]

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No offence but your circular logic analogy failed, failed hard.

I thought it was funny. Sucks to be you, I guess.

Keep 'em coming, TMagic!

[Stumbleweed]

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Reports are that Olympiacos offered AI the same contract they offered Nate Robinson... SMH, sad days for AI man... getting Nate Robinson offers.

http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/report-olympiacos-to-offer-allen-iverson-10-million/

[DTX3]

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I bet he won't win there either.

[BiggD]

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You know what I just realized...

Here on OS, we have a prime example of what can happen with A.I. in the mix.

We were a team, a unit, a family, and had so much chemistry.

Then A.I. gets in here and becomes involved, and look what happened.

hahahaha well said..

Iverson needs to understand he isn't in his prime anymore,take a bench role on a winning time...all he has to do is go in for 20 mins a game and burn second units. Job done

[Muzyk23]

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he can come to Poland if he wants

[Vince]

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he can come to Poland if he wants

I'm sure you'd like that eh?

hahaha

[Muzyk23]

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I'm sure you'd like that eh?

hahaha

of course..never seen him in person..doesn't matter he's past his prime

[Stumbleweed]

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I loved watching AI in Denver man... miss the dude still. He would just always do at least 2 or 3 crazy-*** things in every game... just a ridiculous play, an and-1 where he gets absolutely hammered by a 7-footer, a huge jumper... just seemed that it was always exciting to watch him, even on an off night.

..That was a little over a year ago. It's bizarre to me that people are writing him off. I just wish he could find the courage to suck it up and take a bench scorer role, because the market is simply horrible this year and he needs to redeem himself after the whole Detroit incident before finding a home. Sucking it up for 1 year and earning himself a nice contract and possibly a starting role again is exactly what he needs, but the more I look at this, the more I think he'll just retire or go get a payday in Europe and see the world.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Let's be real, you guys weren't contenders with AI. I never respected DEN at all until Chauncey came.

People are writing him off as a main cog to a finals team. Unfortunately his skillset and mindset is such that he may not be able to scale his game down to be effective in a reduced role.

[Stumbleweed]

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People always say that, and I simply don't think it's true. We got the absolute worst matchup in the first round that year and the absolute best (maybe the Mavs would've been slightly easier, but same difference) this past season. Nene and K-Mart were both basically 100% this year, which was definitely the biggest difference other than the emergence/cheapness of Birdman, which saved our asses.

The change of philosophy that occured in the off-season (emphasis on defense, actually practicing defense... yeah, you read that right..) was responsible for most of the team's growth, and then the owndership decided to cement that by getting rid of a defensive liability in AI and replacing him with basically the smartest veteran PG in the league. They made a smart move signing Dahntay Jones last season as well, and basically, it was the perfect storm of roster moves and circumstances around the league (SAS managing to win the last game, knocking Portland down to #4, Houston being injured, etc.) that got them the #2 spot and basically booked them a trip to the West Finals from the jump-off.

Chauncey is a big difference in the offensive spacing and the overall sense of control he has, but the team isn't worlds better because of that change alone IMO, as a fan who has watched every single game for the past 3 years (every AI game, every Chauncey game). In the end, we're both talking out of our asses about hypotheticals, but that's what these forums are about, right? Basically it came down to this: a) Chauncey was available, b) the Nuggets had recently changed their philosophy to emphasize defense and ball control, c) they felt that Chauncey was better-equipped to implement that than AI was (and would be easier for George to work with in general, plus cheaper) and be a leader by example, so they made the move.

I honestly think that George getting off his *** and actually coaching and practicing defense would've made as much of a difference as anything, combined with the roster moves we made to start the year (Bird, Tay) and Nene/K-Mart's health improvements. Maybe AI would've constantly compromised the defense and put everyone in bad positions, but I think that the team defensive philosophy was so much better this season that AI's deficiencies would've been mostly covered, or at the least, more than cancelled out by his playmaking and scoring.

If SAS won that final game, the Nuggets most likely would've gone out in the 2nd round against the Lakers... not much of a difference outcome-wise yet this team is so much better? Don't get that.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Good post.

I just think about it this way Stumble, yall wouldn't have beat NO's with AI, and you wouldn't have taken LA to 6 games with AI last year. I hate to be that simplistic, but it's just how I feel.

That's the bottom line in my eyes. I just don't think your team ever had a chance with AI.

Now? I think you guys are true contenders.

[JerzeyReign]

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AI being traded is the reason I have been on a rough road with the Sixers. But for those that said he's past his prime, Can you tell me when this started? Was it in Denver when he took a backseat and let Melo be "the man"? Or was it in Detroit where he just looked out of place the whole time? He only wants to start, which he can still do fine, what's the problem with that? AI can still go out and hang 40+ any given night and avg at least 20 a game. Is he garnering all this "past his prime" backlash because he's not scoring 28+ per game? He's still one of quickest guards with the ball, still can play D, still has that passion to go out and give it his all. If this has been said before please tell me what page 45+ pages is alot to go through. And this is just for justification purposes only, I'm an Iverson fanboy so to here this talk is unbelievable to me. Only two ballers I've strived to perform like when I was younger and that was AI and Jordan, lol

[P2K]

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AI being traded is the reason I have been on a rough road with the Sixers. But for those that said he's past his prime, Can you tell me when this started? Was it in Denver when he took a backseat and let Melo be "the man"? Or was it in Detroit where he just looked out of place the whole time? He only wants to start, which he can still do fine, what's the problem with that? AI can still go out and hang 40+ any given night and avg at least 20 a game. Is he garnering all this "past his prime" backlash because he's not scoring 28+ per game? He's still one of quickest guards with the ball, still can play D, still has that passion to go out and give it his all. If this has been said before please tell me what page 45+ pages is alot to go through. And this is just for justification purposes only, I'm an Iverson fanboy so to here this talk is unbelievable to me. Only two ballers I've strived to perform like when I was younger and that was AI and Jordan, lol

Don't take offense, but uh...your post pretty much let's me know to ignore any comment you make about Iverson.

[candiasis]

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Pfft ignore ps2, that guy's another hating sheep who has prob been on the anti ai bandwagon because of stupid gossip stories since day 1.

Stumlbeweed i also watched most of ai's denver games, and most of detroit's games last season and have to agree with everything you said, you basically nailed it. Regarding Denver, the defensive roster changes (jones, andersen), getting rid of camby (who was, when it came to the playoffs especially, a defensive liability in man on man situations, he's just a weakside guy really), PRACTICING a defensive philosophy for once, and Melo actually stepping up all all would have made denver a legitimate post season threat before the chauncey trade imo. AI has become a scapegoat (unfairly i might add) largely because of circumstance, his large expiring contract etc all played a role. But the haters can hate, he earned the payout last season for what he did in his career before the detroit trade and noone can take that away from the guy. Lets not forget the role he played in even getting denver into that last post season in the crazy competitive West that year (50+ win 8th place or whatever it was).

This free agency again has been rather unfair to the dude largely because of circumstance, a ****ty economy, a nothing year last at detroit (a team that just didn't have the right mix of pieces, in fact forced the wrong pieces *cough* stuckey, and had a mega**** rookie coach who barely lasted a year) and probable future salary cap reductions have all played a role, but its played into the haters hands beautifully, and they're all willing to take shots at the guy when hes down. Anyways he shoulda gone to a team like Orlando, a contender who needed guard scoring, he woulda meshed so well with Dwight man, but **** they took Carter a move they might regret when they see some lazy 3s get jacked in some clutch situations. But whatever they got the guy they want.

Personally I'd like to see AI go to Miami and prove everyone wrong that he's not the egomaniacal self-absorbed ball hog everyoen makes him out to be, he would complement Wade and Beazley well. The guy can score and he's undersized, you'd think people would respect that (well his fans do) but noooo, apparently hes some ghetto thug or whatever, how some prejudices run deep. Anyways hope he does well next season and enjoys it wherever he ends up, even if it's with a non contender.