The Allen Iverson Saga

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Iverson wants to go to Memphis?

This has nothing to do with rings. It has to do with a player who has aged and is not the same player he was 8 years ago. It's about a player who has never changed his style of play which has resulted in no teams now wanting him, let alone a contender.

Just so everyone who is soooo pissed at the "AI Haters" can read this.

[DTX3]

Re: The Allen Iverson Saga

I'll take him on the Clips if he'll come off the bench and be willing to play some PG.

If he showed teams that he is willing to come off the bench, there would be a lot more(competitive) teams trying to get this guy. But his act got the best of him.

Besides, I don't think the "answer" is enough to satisfy Frankie Muniz.

[zfinley]

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Just so everyone who is soooo pissed at the "AI Haters" can read this.

I don't really think he's slowed down at all. He still plays the same and people know that. I honestly wonder if what happen in detroit the reason people doubt him so much. I mean damn one bad year people saying the guy lost it is not fast anymore cant pass game is just unworthy to play for a championship team. This is just crazy.

Funny how last year everyone was saying he's one of the greatest scorers in the nba now people is calling him selfish.
But just last year these same people was on his jock like all those kobe d*ck riders.

I guess it's true first they hate you then they love you then they hate you again.

[23]

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Just so everyone who is soooo pissed at the "AI Haters" can read this.

I disagree its just his age... I think its more of his attitude and the fact that he hasn't recognized that the league has changed since he was in Philly. No longer will teams build their rosters around a guy who runs around the court holding the ball too long just to get off a low percentage shot, which everyone else plays cover up defense for him.

Its not the same game with the exact same rules. Teams know they cant win like that, and not only did a PG who was willing to run a team oriented offense make the same team he was on look better and had a far more positive mental impact, but the team he went to melted down..whether he was at fault or not, he was apart of it....

Shoot he showed DET right away what he thought when he missed the 1st practice. That was a sign and the red flags went up, now low dweller teams want to use him as a ticket salesman

[candiasis]

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He was putting up good numbers in denver, not bad numbers in detroit considering the role he was playing (took a whole bunch less shots, and a lot more 3s, he tried to play team ball to a large extent) but that detroit team was headache. I dont expect him to be puttign up mega numbers next season, but that doesn't automatically mean he is that much less of a player than 8 years ago. Last year has hurt his perceived value prob too much, but lets hope it was just a small blip on his career so to speak.

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He was putting up good numbers in denver, not bad numbers in detroit considering the role he was playing (took a whole bunch less shots, and a lot more 3s, he tried to play team ball to a large extent) but that detroit team was headache. I dont expect him to be puttign up mega numbers next season, but that doesn't automatically mean he is that much less of a player than 8 years ago. Last year has hurt his perceived value prob too much, but lets hope it was just a small blip on his career so to speak.

Less of a player or not.... the game has changed and numbers arent the issue anymore man. Its not about the numbers more than his willingness to do whats necessary.

[zfinley]

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Less of a player or not.... the game has changed and numbers arent the issue anymore man. Its not about the numbers more than his willingness to do whats necessary.

And exactly was it that? Play behind a guy who's younger with less talent? Great idea... How has the nba changed? So many players have the same playing style and they're called MVP's and all this other stuff.

[Cebby]

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MJ played til he was 39. I've never seen someone attack him the way people attack A.I.

For reasons obvious to everyone but you.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I don't really think he's slowed down at all. He still plays the same and people know that. I honestly wonder if what happen in detroit the reason people doubt him so much. I mean damn one bad year people saying the guy lost it is not fast anymore cant pass game is just unworthy to play for a championship team. This is just crazy.

Funny how last year everyone was saying he's one of the greatest scorers in the nba now people is calling him selfish.
But just last year these same people was on his jock like all those kobe d*ck riders.

I guess it's true first they hate you then they love you then they hate you again.

He hasn't slowed down? I guess 27 GM's are also haters as well as I am.

I disagree its just his age... I think its more of his attitude and the fact that he hasn't recognized that the league has changed since he was in Philly. No longer will teams build their rosters around a guy who runs around the court holding the ball too long just to get off a low percentage shot, which everyone else plays cover up defense for him.

Its not the same game with the exact same rules. Teams know they cant win like that, and not only did a PG who was willing to run a team oriented offense make the same team he was on look better and had a far more positive mental impact, but the team he went to melted down..whether he was at fault or not, he was apart of it....

Shoot he showed DET right away what he thought when he missed the 1st practice. That was a sign and the red flags went up, now low dweller teams want to use him as a ticket salesman

It isn't just his age, it's his skill set and playing style. Like I said even if AI changed his attitude, it would be pretty tough to change the way you've been playing your entire life.

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He hasn't slowed down? I guess 27 GM's are also haters as well as I am.

It isn't just his age, it's his skill set and playing style. Like I said even if AI changed his attitude, it would be pretty tough to change the way you've been playing your entire life.

His change of attitude....when I say that I mean his playing style.

I mean being a manu type of player, coming off the bench being a spark for a contendor to give them that 2nd wave punch.

...but all he wants is to start somewhere and play for himself so whatever. Thats why the Grizz are offering a one year deal and wagging their finger at him to not mess up or be sent home

[Muzyk23]

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@23

it's been reported that he himself wants a one-year contract not the other way round

seriously, at this point miami makes the most sense

[Muzyk23]

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I don't really think he's slowed down at all. He still plays the same and people know that. I honestly wonder if what happen in detroit the reason people doubt him so much. I mean damn one bad year people saying the guy lost it is not fast anymore cant pass game is just unworthy to play for a championship team. This is just crazy.

Funny how last year everyone was saying he's one of the greatest scorers in the nba now people is calling him selfish.
But just last year these same people was on his jock like all those kobe d*ck riders.

I guess it's true first they hate you then they love you then they hate you again.

come one man..he hasn't slowed down THAT much but he certainly isn't the same player he was in 2001

[candiasis]

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I disagree its just his age... I think its more of his attitude and the fact that he hasn't recognized that the league has changed since he was in Philly. No longer will teams build their rosters around a guy who runs around the court holding the ball too long just to get off a low percentage shot, which everyone else plays cover up defense for him.

Its not the same game with the exact same rules. Teams know they cant win like that, and not only did a PG who was willing to run a team oriented offense make the same team he was on look better and had a far more positive mental impact, but the team he went to melted down..whether he was at fault or not, he was apart of it....

Shoot he showed DET right away what he thought when he missed the 1st practice. That was a sign and the red flags went up, now low dweller teams want to use him as a ticket salesman

First of all thanks for the straqight up infraction before any kind if warning, appreciate it. Secondly this is straight up gossip magazine character asssasination you post. Do you base all your opinions of players from gossip trashy nba news, the guy wants to win, he took a bunch less shots in detroit but that team was dysfunctional from the start (which had a lot to do with the coach). And hes said repeatedly in interviews hes gonna take the role they need, and if hes looking for a starting position so what, he thinks he can help a team better as a starter. He's a basketball player end of the day, he lvoes the game, he wants to play the game as much as he can while he can, how can you criticise him for wanting a starting positon somewhere honestly.

Everyone is quick to forget the mediocre post shaq years at the lakers, the team doing worse withought phil jaclson is clearly a testament to the importance of having a good coach, michael curry for that detroit team was a VERY bad coach, you had to see the games to realise.

[PrettyT11]

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I haven't chimed in on the interesting (to say the least) thread about Iverson but have decided to now. I am and always have been a huge Iverson and agree with some of what is being said on both sides of the argument. But here is my stance or what I think is going with iverson.

I believe the reason why alot of teams aren't going after Iverson doesn't have alot to do with his age,skill, or playing style. The thing that i believe that is trumping them all is the precieved or actual attitude problem that Iverson has. The man can still play the game and put points on the board but his attitude and rep is what is killing him. We all know that this league and the world for that matter is a what have you done for me lately league. And let's face it no matter your stance in this argument his last impression/season with the Pistons was not a good one. No matter who's fault it is it looks bad for Iverson. When you factor in the economy,shrinking cap, and all the other factors less teams are going to willing to take a risk on a player that they think could destroy thier locker room and chemistry.

Now when you factor that in with his age and stubborness then you have what we are looking at now. Solving this problem falls on Iverson's shoulders and his ALONE. Nobody and I repeat nobody can change his image or perception than him. If he goes out this season and plays well, goes to practice, and doesn't have any problems no matter who he plays for teams will be lined up for his services next off season.

Ron Artest went through a similar situation after the brawl and looked how great his situation has turned around. Nobody but the Kings wanted him after the brawl happened but he went to Sac town kept his head on straight and performed and now there was teams lined up to offer him money this off season.

It can all be turned around and Iverson can be looked at like the warrior he was in Philly but it all starts and ends with Iverson. As a fan of his since his HS days I hope he gets on with somebody and proves people wrong like he has done before but the realist in me has my doubts. Only time will tell.

[zfinley]

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I agree with him.