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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #76
    Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

    Offensively what would you prefer: Martin's ability to get to the line or PP's post play [scoring and passing out of the post].

    I don't think Martin's offensive skill set eclipses PP's at all. PP is a great playmaker not just for himself but others. I would say they're about equal from mid range and long distance.

    Defensively it's not even close.

    PP>Martin for at least the next couple years if not more.

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    • Bornindamecca
      Books Nelson Simnation
      • Jul 2007
      • 10919

      #77
      Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

      Originally posted by DC
      Paul is battle tested. Granger is just getting started in this world. Defensively Pau is more reliable. Yea Granger is a better scorer, thats because Paul doesn't have to score anymore like he did before.

      I still want an explanation for Kevin Martin LOL
      PP clearly lost a step last year. He doesn't have the athleticism or strength to remain at or near his peak into this 30s at this point. He will soon cross over into that point where he's a jumpshooter if he's not getting the calls. The new crop of bigger SF's will wear him down, and he'll need to lean on his teammates for more production. A year or two ago, I'd agree with you, even if we were talking about today's Danny Granger, but Danny's rise and Pierce's decline have passed each other on the highway.


      Kevin Martin is a different story, lol.
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      • chadskee
        MVP
        • Dec 2006
        • 1324

        #78
        Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

        Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
        Kevin Martin over Pierce. I don't know about that.
        Is it the general consensus that Al Jefferson isn't one of the top 25 players in the league?

        EDIT: I'm not sure why I quoted you, it's a question for everyone.

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        • AlexBrady
          MVP
          • Jul 2008
          • 3341

          #79
          Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

          Originally posted by DC
          Paul is battle tested. Granger is just getting started in this world. Defensively Pau is more reliable. Yea Granger is a better scorer, thats because Paul doesn't have to score anymore like he did before.

          I still want an explanation for Kevin Martin LOL
          Neither guy can defend his lunch when playing his own man. Granger's stance needs work and Paul is too short to impede any decent guard. CP3 is quite an accomplished pick pocket though.

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          • DC
            Hall Of Fame
            • Oct 2002
            • 17996

            #80
            Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

            No man. I am talking about Paul Pierce Brady
            Concrete evidence/videos please

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            • AlexBrady
              MVP
              • Jul 2008
              • 3341

              #81
              Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

              Originally posted by DC
              No man. I am talking about Paul Pierce Brady

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              • DC
                Hall Of Fame
                • Oct 2002
                • 17996

                #82
                Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                Ok so give the analysis........Kevin Martin vs Pierce
                Concrete evidence/videos please

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                • AlexBrady
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3341

                  #83
                  Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                  Originally posted by DC
                  Ok so give the analysis........Kevin Martin vs Pierce
                  Martin has a very quick first step, a reliable jumper, and a lanky body. He is totally defenseless and he isn't a good finisher at the rim. Why? Because Martin is so physically weak.

                  Pierce can do it all. Whenever his team needs a crucial score, a defensive stop or a slick pass Pierce comes through. Defensively he is capable of guarding the opponent's best wing, often hounding them into submission. PP is one of the best finishers after contact in the league due to his ultra strong body. This guy is aggressive.

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                  • X*Cell
                    Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 8107

                    #84
                    Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                    physically weak but shoots 10+ freethrows a game... yeah, ok.
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                    • KG
                      Welcome Back
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 17583

                      #85
                      Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                      Originally posted by X*Cell
                      physically weak but shoots 10+ freethrows a game... yeah, ok.
                      He is weak but he's not afraid of contact. You can be both X.
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                      • X*Cell
                        Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 8107

                        #86
                        Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                        Originally posted by kgx2thez
                        He is weak but he's not afraid of contact. You can be both X.
                        this is true, but stating that he's physically weak seemed more like a slight to his scouting report, and AB didn't even acknowledge the no-fear attitude Martin possesses that combats physical weakness... and a good job at that.

                        It's like saying Reggie Miller is physically weak in a scouting report to slight him too. Yet, his wiry frame has never been a hinderance to Miller, so in my opinion, it's not even worth mentioning. Same goes for Kevin Martin's case.

                        Anyone can look at a Kevin Martin card and see that he's a skinny 185 pounds... they don't need AB telling them that this guy is on the small side.
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                        • AlexBrady
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 3341

                          #87
                          Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                          Originally posted by X*Cell
                          this is true, but stating that he's physically weak seemed more like a slight to his scouting report, and AB didn't even acknowledge the no-fear attitude Martin possesses that combats physical weakness... and a good job at that.

                          It's like saying Reggie Miller is physically weak in a scouting report to slight him too. Yet, his wiry frame has never been a hinderance to Miller, so in my opinion, it's not even worth mentioning. Same goes for Kevin Martin's case.

                          Anyone can look at a Kevin Martin card and see that he's a skinny 185 pounds... they don't need AB telling them that this guy is on the small side.
                          Reggie Miller was a more capable finisher near the hoop than Martin currently is.

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                          • X*Cell
                            Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 8107

                            #88
                            Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                            Originally posted by AlexBrady
                            Reggie Miller was a more capable finisher near the hoop than Martin currently is.
                            I don't buy that. Oh well, it's not the first time.

                            ...it also wasn't my point at all.
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                            • X*Cell
                              Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 8107

                              #89
                              Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                              Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
                              Even if his offensive game is better than Pierce's (which I don't believe) his skill level doesn't equate to that of Pierce's in any regard.
                              not just targeting you Moses... but... Kevin Martin is lighting up the league this year. 27, 20, 29, and 48 points in four different games.
                              SAN ANTONIO SPURS

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                              • Moses Shuttlesworth
                                AB>
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 9435

                                #90
                                Re: Top 25 Players out West-- Is KD top 12?

                                Originally posted by X*Cell
                                not just targeting you Moses... but... Kevin Martin is lighting up the league this year. 27, 20, 29, and 48 points in four different games.
                                Yeah he's definitely playing at a high level right now, but I still don't think he's on Pierce's level. If you put Pierce on the Kings his numbers would be absurd.

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