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  • PrettyT11
    MVP
    • Jul 2008
    • 3220

    #76
    Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

    Originally posted by yankeesgiants
    Arenas is not a point guard. Foye is the point guard on that team.
    Tony Parker doesn't play defense and nor does he try too.
    Foye is not the PG on that team. The starting backcourt is Gilbert and Mike Miller. When they had Foye and Gilbert on the floor together Gilbert was the one running the show.

    Parker is no all NBA level defender but he is nowhere near as bad as you are trying to make him out to be.

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    • PrettyT11
      MVP
      • Jul 2008
      • 3220

      #77
      Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

      We are talking about right now and right now no Rondo is not a top 5 PG. He is nowhere near the level of Paul, Williams, and Parker. I also can't believe the lack of love Billups is getting in this thread. The top 5 are Paul, Williams, Parker, Billups, Harris, with Rose, Nash, and Rondo behind those guys.

      Right now I would take Billups over Rondo everyday of the week. Yes Rondo is great on D but let's not act like Paul, Williams, Billups, and Harris are weak defensively. Plus the difference in thier offense game and Rondo's is greater than the difference in Rondo's defense and thiers. All of those five guys I name are more than capable and have taken over games completely on the offensive end. When the other guys around them are struggling they can put the team on thier back and get the W. Rondo just can't do that yet.

      Last night's game was a perfect example of why those guys are better than Rondo. Williams put Utah on his back and carried them as far as they could possibly go. Boozer was off big time and Okur got hurt. So you saw Williams do it from everywhere on the floor and was getting it done. Billups was also very key in Denver pulling away in that game. His shooting and calming ways put them over the top. Plus with his size he was able to slide to the two in the fourth and let Lawson come in and push the pace up. So he was able to play off the ball and knock down some big shots. Both of those guys can also run your offense from the high post and get you easy buckets and put the other teams PG in foul trouble. Rondo just can't do that.

      When you throw in the fact those guys offensive game and the fact that Paul and Billups are and have been all NBA level defenders, with Williams and Harris being solid defenders. and it is a no brainer that they are better players than Rondo right now.

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      • jrich05
        Rookie
        • Sep 2009
        • 246

        #78
        Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

        Umm I looked through first couple pages and surprisingly didn't see Billups in 99% of the top 5 lists. Are you guys serious? I'm far from Nuggets/Detroit fan, but Billups is easily Top 5. What does Rondo bring to the table that Billups doesn't? (Let's forget about age for a moment).

        imo
        1) Paul
        2) Deron
        3) Parker
        4) Billups
        5) Harris

        that's a lock for top 5. There is not much argument about the top 5 (order can change ofc, but those are 5 best point guards in NBA period).

        Then it's a toss-up between the vets and 2nd-3rd year players (Nash, Kidd, Rondo, Rose).
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        • J.R. Locke
          Banned
          • Nov 2004
          • 4137

          #79
          Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

          Rondo benefits from being on a good team. He has little to no pressure on him. He doesn't have to create and finish that often. He is on a great team defensive team.

          I am not sold on Rondo(as top 5 PG) because he is the perfect fit with Boston. I don't see him helping a middle of the road team getting to the playoffs or winning a playoff series.

          Full disclosure I loved this dude at Kentucky. He was the most impressive player I have ever seen in person at the collegiant level.

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          • Jukeman
            Showtime
            • Aug 2005
            • 10955

            #80
            Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

            Lmao @ guys putting Harris in the top 5....

            Candy and ice cream boy I tell ya....

            Why not put Monta there?

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            • KG
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              • Sep 2005
              • 17583

              #81
              Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

              Hopefully my man Gil will get back into the discussion this year but do you really want to wrap up that kind of money into him if you're a Boston fan?

              That's Franchise cornerstone type cash and with the clock ticking on PP, KG, Ray & Sheed the window for titles is 2-3 years max.

              I think Ainge is doing a smart thing, seeing how this year plays out before deciding that.
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              • SpacemanSpiff
                MVP
                • Mar 2005
                • 1279

                #82
                Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                Originally posted by Jukeman
                Lmao @ guys putting Harris in the top 5....

                Candy and ice cream boy I tell ya....

                Why not put Monta there?
                Monta is not a PG.
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                • sportyguyfl31
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 4745

                  #83
                  Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                  Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                  I'll answer this question with a question.

                  Assuming the consensus is that Paul, Williams and Parker* are all better than Rondo:

                  Would Orlando be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                  Would Cleveland be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                  Would Chicago be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                  Would New Jersey be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                  Would Denver be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                  Would Phoenix be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                  Would Dallas be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?


                  If you're a fan of any of those teams, feel free to offer whether or not you'd be happy with that trade from a homer's perspective.





                  *not willing to entertain the discussion that Rondo is better than tony Parker

                  We forget about Jameer Nelson.

                  I dont think he's been mentioned once. He was excellent last year, until getting hurt.

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                  • jrich05
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 246

                    #84
                    Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                    Oh damn, I forgot about Gilbert. I think I'm gonna switch my top 5

                    Paul-Deron-Parker-Billups-Arenas

                    Originally posted by Jukeman
                    Lmao @ guys putting Harris in the top 5....

                    Candy and ice cream boy I tell ya....

                    Why not put Monta there?
                    Monta is a SG.

                    On the other note, where do you guys think S. Curry will be on this list in let's say a year?
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                    • Jukeman
                      Showtime
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 10955

                      #85
                      Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                      I know he's a SG(he played PG too)

                      Thats my point...

                      What does Harris bring to the table other than points to move him ahead of Rondo?
                      Last edited by Jukeman; 10-30-2009, 03:51 PM.

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                      • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                        • Dec 2006
                        • 17294

                        #86
                        Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                        Originally posted by Jukeman
                        I know he's a SG(he played PG too)

                        Thats my point...

                        What does Harris bring to the table other than points to move him ahead of Rondo?
                        Nothing, he's just a much better player on the offensive end and he's still a quick defender.
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                        • NBA2k8 CHAMP
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 1918

                          #87
                          Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                          Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                          I'll answer this question with a question.

                          Assuming the consensus is that Paul, Williams and Parker* are all better than Rondo:

                          Would Orlando be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                          Would Cleveland be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                          Would Chicago be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                          Would New Jersey be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                          Would Denver be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                          Would Phoenix be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?
                          Would Dallas be better with a straight up trade for Rondo?


                          If you're a fan of any of those teams, feel free to offer whether or not you'd be happy with that trade from a homer's perspective.

                          These aren't even good question's!

                          The Nets? They didn't even make playoffs

                          Orlando? Alston lead them to the Finals,Rondo would have a field day with all the space VC,Pietrus,and Lewis would give him.Not to mention pick and roll with Dwight Howard.They'll also have a guard who can penetrate and finish at the hole instead of an all jump shooting team. He'll make life for Dwight a helluva lot easier

                          Chicago? They'll still be in the playoffs...They were only a 8th seed

                          Denver? It's up to Melo not Billups nor Rondo.The'yll loose shooting that's about it.

                          Phoenix? They didn't even make the playoffs and don't even have a team identity. He did destroy Nash last season so who knows

                          Dallas? Yes...He's better than Jason Kidd and do the same things that Jason Kidd is known for and more athletic.

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                          • NBA2k8 CHAMP
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 1918

                            #88
                            Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                            Nothing, he's just a much better player on the offensive end and he's still a quick defender.

                            Do you think it's a coincidence that Devin Harris average 14.5 points on a CONTENDER shooting 48%

                            Then went to a bottom feeder and averaged 21 ppg on 43% shooting?

                            It's the fact he plays for one of the worse teams in the league and has no pressure on him nor anyone he needs to feed the ball too.Before the move to New Jersey everyone thought Devin Harris couldn't shoot, but all of a sudden he moves to a bottom feeder and has a totally new offensive game :wink:

                            Rondo has KG,Pierce,and Allen to get involved in the game his job isn't to score that's why he doesn't score as much.

                            I find it funny that as soon as KG goes down his offensive production goes up. hmmm??

                            That's the thing about Great PG's

                            "They do what's needed for the team to compete and win championships"

                            Rather it be scoring or getting everyone involved.
                            Last edited by NBA2k8 CHAMP; 10-31-2009, 03:59 AM.

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                            • NBA2k8 CHAMP
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1918

                              #89
                              Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                              I'm just going to leave on this. "The Big 3 cleared the lane for this to happen"

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                              • TheMatrix31
                                RF
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 52929

                                #90
                                Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                                Game 1: 15 points in the fourth quarter, 24 overall, game-winning circus shot with 5 seconds left. Put the team on his back and willed them to victory.

                                Game 2: 18 points, 20 assists, 6 rebounds.

                                You all should be ashamed for dismissing Steve Nash this soon.

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