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  • PrettyT11
    MVP
    • Jul 2008
    • 3220

    #106
    Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

    Originally posted by fluent2332
    i could care less, but i find it funny that this guy ^ justifies his argument by quoting mchale, barkley and kenny smith
    I just use those guys as examples of others who have said the same thing that pretty much everybody else in this thread and the other Rondo threads have said. But I guess we are ALL wrong huh and this one Rondo lover is right?? I think I would listen to the opinion of a Hall of Fame player who was a very key part of multiple championship teams over some guy who loves Rondo and thinks he does no wrong. This cat comes and and jumps on anything he think is negative towards Rondo in any way.

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    • Jukeman
      Showtime
      • Aug 2005
      • 10955

      #107
      Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

      Originally posted by PrettyT11
      I just use those guys as examples of others who have said the same thing that pretty much everybody else in this thread and the other Rondo threads have said. But I guess we are ALL wrong huh and this one Rondo lover is right?? I think I would listen to the opinion of a Hall of Fame player who was a very key part of multiple championship teams over some guy who loves Rondo and thinks he does no wrong. This cat comes and and jumps on anything he think is negative towards Rondo in any way.
      Those the same dudes who was calling for a starting PG and Sam Cassell the year the Celtics won the chip.....

      How can you say he cant do something when he never got the chance to prove that he can?

      Rondo's first year as a starter was the first year of the big 3..Before that he was a rookie...

      Not to mention he rarely miss games....

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      • PrettyT11
        MVP
        • Jul 2008
        • 3220

        #108
        Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

        Originally posted by Jukeman
        Those the same dudes who was calling for a starting PG and Sam Cassell the year the Celtics won the chip.....

        How can you say he cant do something when he never got the chance to prove that he can?

        Rondo's first year as a starter was the first year of the big 3..Before that he was a rookie...

        Not to mention he rarely miss games....
        The actual Celtics team is also the same team that actually went and got Sam and was also looking for a bigger PG for when the playoffs came. Rondo was a question mark at that time. He has proven that he is capable of being the PG of that team. But let's not act like at that time he was a lock at that position. He was the biggest question mark on that team.

        I'm not or never said that Rondo wasn't a good PG. If you look at my post you can clearly see that I have said he was good. The problem I have is with guys like 2K who come and and say he is the greatest thing walking and some of the guys who would put him above the likes of a Tony Parker and Billups. He just isn't on that level yet.

        Nobody is saying that he can't never be a number one guy. You can look at the strenths and weakness he has as a player and see that he probably would struggle if put in the same role of a Deron Williams, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose and those guys. It is not a knock on him it is called scouting. If the Celtics though he could without a doubt be that kind of guy then they would have locked him up in a contract already instead of waiting and fighting over a dollar amount. You didn't see any hesitation when it came to extensions for Paul, Williams, or Harris.

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        • NBA2k8 CHAMP
          Banned
          • Jan 2008
          • 1918

          #109
          Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

          What's funny is that you all was questioning Rondo's ability and the PG spot in Boston before the ring,but now it has turned and he's just a "Perfect Fit" for the Celtics you and the analyst are hilarious.

          Name me 1 point guard who doesn't benefit from they're good teammates!!

          Quit acting like Rondo is the only point guard with a good team surrounding him.

          Hell Chauncey Billups made a living playing for good teams.

          Until then stfu because Ray Allen,Pierce,and KG CERTAINLY benefits from having Rondo too.

          Tell me why didn't Cassell,Marbury,or even House step in and do the same thing Rondo is doing?

          Why does the Celtics looked loss w/o Rondo in the lineup?

          You're flatout dumb if you don't realize before Pau went to L.A. he was putting up better numbers on a decent team and Kobe was putting up MVP numbers on a decent team also.

          Put 2 and 2 together they take a hit in offensive production but become an elite team.

          So that makes my point even more clear that Rondo w/o the big 3 as the number 1 option would have way better numbers than he does now.

          You must don't realize the confidence you gain when you have the green light anytime.


          And lastly I could give a rats *** what them announcers say.Because they're are basing it off of potential and not body of work!

          YOU SEEN THE PLAYOFFS LAST SEASON YOU SEEN HE GOT DESTROYED BETWEEN RONDO AND ROSE AND YOU SEEN WHO WENT HOME.

          Please don't bring up the better team bs,because e/o KG they was evenly matched.


          YOU CAN PUT RAJON RONDO ON ANY TEAM IN THE NBA AND HE'LL BE JUST AS GOOD.

          THE CELTICS IS PLAYING THE WAY HE WANTS TO PLAY NOW!

          HE DECIDES WHO GETS THE BALL AT WHAT TIMES.

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          • Jukeman
            Showtime
            • Aug 2005
            • 10955

            #110
            Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

            Originally posted by PrettyT11
            The actual Celtics team is also the same team that actually went and got Sam and was also looking for a bigger PG for when the playoffs came. Rondo was a question mark at that time. He has proven that he is capable of being the PG of that team. But let's not act like at that time he was a lock at that position. He was the biggest question mark on that team.

            I'm not or never said that Rondo wasn't a good PG. If you look at my post you can clearly see that I have said he was good. The problem I have is with guys like 2K who come and and say he is the greatest thing walking and some of the guys who would put him above the likes of a Tony Parker and Billups. He just isn't on that level yet.

            Nobody is saying that he can't never be a number one guy. You can look at the strenths and weakness he has as a player and see that he probably would struggle if put in the same role of a Deron Williams, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose and those guys. It is not a knock on him it is called scouting. If the Celtics though he could without a doubt be that kind of guy then they would have locked him up in a contract already instead of waiting and fighting over a dollar amount. You didn't see any hesitation when it came to extensions for Paul, Williams, or Harris.
            Actually they bought him in because they didnt want House running point ALA Marbury and Daniels..

            And IDK why you guys keep bringing up Billups...
            Last edited by Jukeman; 10-31-2009, 11:10 PM.

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            • PrettyT11
              MVP
              • Jul 2008
              • 3220

              #111
              Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

              Originally posted by NBA2k8 CHAMP
              What's funny is that you all was questioning Rondo's ability and the PG spot in Boston before the ring,but now it has turned and he's just a "Perfect Fit" for the Celtics you and the analyst are hilarious.

              Name me 1 point guard who doesn't benefit from they're good teammates!!

              Quit acting like Rondo is the only point guard with a good team surrounding him.

              Hell Chauncey Billups made a living playing for good teams.

              Until then stfu because Ray Allen,Pierce,and KG CERTAINLY benefits from having Rondo too.

              Tell me why didn't Cassell,Marbury,or even House step in and do the same thing Rondo is doing?

              Why does the Celtics looked loss w/o Rondo in the lineup?
              LOL See Jukeman this is the exact crap of his that I am talking about. In my post in response to yours I didn't say one negative thing about Rondo at all and it gets this kind of crap in response.

              Nobody said PG don't benefit from having good teammates. You are the only one saying they are holding him back. So you you actually knew what you are saying ment. You are saying he isn't getting a benefit from them. You are saying that are a negative effect on him. See how dumb that sounds?? I don't think you will find a single person in the world to agree with you that they are holding him back from being a better player.


              You're flatout dumb if you don't realize before Pau went to L.A. he was putting up better numbers on a decent team and Kobe was putting up MVP numbers on a decent team also.

              Put 2 and 2 together they take a hit in offensive production but become an elite team.
              This part of your post just show your ignorance. First of all we aren't talking about just flat numbers. We are talking about better teammates making the game easier for a player and creating better play. But since you want to talk numbers let me help you out. No Gasol was not putting up better numbers on an average team. Just look at the split of his season he went to LA.

              Before coming to LA he was putting up 19 points a game on 14 shots and shooting 50 percent. After he joined the Lakers he was putting up 19 points on 12 shots and shooting 59 percent. His first full season with the Lakers he shot 57 percent. Those are the two HIGHEST percentages of his career. It is very easy to see that he was getting alot better shots and scoring the same amount of points on less shots and being the number two guy instead of the number one guy facing constant double teams.

              Kobe is another perfect example. In 04 and 05 he shot 43 percent from the field 33 percent from 3 and averaged 24 and 27 a game. The two seasons with Gasol on the team he shot 26 and 47 percent from the field, 36 and 35 from three, and averaged 28 and 26 a game. Again it is obvious having that all star post player has made his job easier.

              Both players efficiency rating is higher than before. So it is obvious they are player better and easier ball. Again just ask them which team was easier to play for.


              So that makes my point even more clear that Rondo w/o the big 3 as the number 1 option would have way better numbers than he does now.

              You must don't realize the confidence you gain when you have the green light anytime.


              And lastly I could give a rats *** what them announcers say.Because they're are basing it off of potential and not body of work!

              YOU SEEN THE PLAYOFFS LAST SEASON YOU SEEN HE GOT DESTROYED BETWEEN RONDO AND ROSE AND YOU SEEN WHO WENT HOME.

              Please don't bring up the better team bs,because e/o KG they was evenly matched.


              YOU CAN PUT RAJON RONDO ON ANY TEAM IN THE NBA AND HE'LL BE JUST AS GOOD.

              THE CELTICS IS PLAYING THE WAY HE WANTS TO PLAY NOW!

              HE DECIDES WHO GETS THE BALL AT WHAT TIMES.
              After this I am done with this foolishness cause it is obvious your love for Rondo is clouding your judgement. I guess you don't realize that when you go from being the number 4 guy on a team with nobody really playing defense on you to going to the number one guy and the focus of the defense is harder then thier is no help for you.

              If Rondo was the focal point and the only scoring threat he would be double and forced into difficult shots and situations. Again it is obvious to anyone who has watched the Celtics that when Rondo struggles it is because the other team has forced him into being a jump shooter. Again I NEVER said he wasn't ever capable of doing it but at this point he hasn't shown to be able to do so.

              I am a die hard Bulls and not even I would ever go as far as to say without KG the Celtics and Bulls where even teams. That is just down right foolish. Pierce and Allen where still better than anything we had on the roster at the SG and SF position.

              LOL at saying Rondo sent him and the Bulls home. I guess you missed Paul Pierce and Ray Allen hitting all those in the 4th quarters and OT's of those games. Rondo was actually missing WIDE OPEN game winners that they Bulls where daring him to shoot. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce's clutch play in that series showed the difference between that Celtics team and that Bulls team. The facts is the Bulls played far better ball than they had all year and made it a hell of a series but by no means where they even as a team.

              Lastly how the hell do you figure he destoyed Rose. Rose put up 20, 6, and 6 to Rondo's 20, 10, and 10. Yes Rondo outplayed him in that series but I hardly call that getting destoyed. Both players had a damn good series with Rondo having the upper hand. Destroyed is far from the word I would use. Again you are letting you love for Rondo cloud you from having any type of fact filled or logical discussion about him or his play. So therefore I am done with this.
              Last edited by PrettyT11; 10-31-2009, 11:28 PM.

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              • Jukeman
                Showtime
                • Aug 2005
                • 10955

                #112
                Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                LoL I didnt write that

                edit- on nevermind I see

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                • Yeah...THAT Guy
                  Once in a Lifetime Memory
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 17294

                  #113
                  Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                  Originally posted by NBA2k8 CHAMP
                  What's funny is that you all was questioning Rondo's ability and the PG spot in Boston before the ring,but now it has turned and he's just a "Perfect Fit" for the Celtics you and the analyst are hilarious.

                  Name me 1 point guard who doesn't benefit from they're good teammates!!

                  Quit acting like Rondo is the only point guard with a good team surrounding him.

                  Hell Chauncey Billups made a living playing for good teams.

                  Until then stfu because Ray Allen,Pierce,and KG CERTAINLY benefits from having Rondo too.

                  Tell me why didn't Cassell,Marbury,or even House step in and do the same thing Rondo is doing?

                  Why does the Celtics looked loss w/o Rondo in the lineup?

                  You're flatout dumb if you don't realize before Pau went to L.A. he was putting up better numbers on a decent team and Kobe was putting up MVP numbers on a decent team also.

                  Put 2 and 2 together they take a hit in offensive production but become an elite team.

                  So that makes my point even more clear that Rondo w/o the big 3 as the number 1 option would have way better numbers than he does now.

                  You must don't realize the confidence you gain when you have the green light anytime.


                  And lastly I could give a rats *** what them announcers say.Because they're are basing it off of potential and not body of work!

                  YOU SEEN THE PLAYOFFS LAST SEASON YOU SEEN HE GOT DESTROYED BETWEEN RONDO AND ROSE AND YOU SEEN WHO WENT HOME.

                  Please don't bring up the better team bs,because e/o KG they was evenly matched.


                  YOU CAN PUT RAJON RONDO ON ANY TEAM IN THE NBA AND HE'LL BE JUST AS GOOD.

                  THE CELTICS IS PLAYING THE WAY HE WANTS TO PLAY NOW!

                  HE DECIDES WHO GETS THE BALL AT WHAT TIMES.
                  A couple things I noticed...

                  1. You say "name me someone that doesn't benefit from having good players around him" but then say that pau and kobe were better when they didnt have each other.

                  2. What good teams did Chauncey really play for? The Pistons were a bunch of role-players that gelled together and the Nuggets, while good, were nowhere near the level of the Celtics offensive capabilities. And either way, Chauncey was much more effective on the offensive end than Rondo.

                  3. The Kobe and Pau argument doesn't apply to Rondo because those two were scorers while Rondo is not.

                  4. You say the announcers are dumb for basing their opinions off potential and yet you're predicting Rondo's potential if he were the #1 option.

                  5. The Bulls were equal to the Celtics without Garnett? Shows how much you know about basketball...

                  6. What PG doesn't "DECIDE WHO GETS THE BALL AT WHAT TIMES"?
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                  • Jukeman
                    Showtime
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 10955

                    #114
                    Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                    Thought I should raise this quesion AGAIN

                    Also...

                    What do you feel about Rondo's 87OVR on The default NBA2k10 roster now

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                    • TMagic
                      G.O.A.T.
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 7550

                      #115
                      Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                      If only he had a jumper....O, the possibilities...
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                      • dossier
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 2272

                        #116
                        Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                        Originally posted by TMagic
                        If only he had a jumper....O, the possibilities...
                        Him not having a jumper has me all that more impressed with his game

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                        • Moses Shuttlesworth
                          AB>
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 9435

                          #117
                          Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                          Rondo could be so much better if Doc wasn't the coach of the Celtics.

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                          • TMagic
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                            • Apr 2007
                            • 7550

                            #118
                            Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                            What makes you say that?
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                            • CWSapp757
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                              • Aug 2008
                              • 4651

                              #119
                              Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                              I'm a believer. Rondo is a beast man. He's still not a "jumpshooter" but it is clear that his shot is getting better. Its just crazy to me that not even a few months ago I was hearing people say that Rondo was one of the worst starting point guards in the league.
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                              • Moses Shuttlesworth
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                                • Aug 2006
                                • 9435

                                #120
                                Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                                Originally posted by TMagic
                                What makes you say that?
                                Doc has the worst rotations of any coach in the NBA (may be an exaggeration but he's certainly up there) and he doesn't know how to manage Rondo's minutes.

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