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  • ojandpizza
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2011
    • 29807

    #11851
    Originally posted by TMagic
    That's not the best argument. You cant just compare generations like that.

    He scored 37 a game in the same year the worst team defensively was giving up 118 a game! The best team was allowing 103 a game. And to score those 37, he took 28 a game.

    For comparison purposes, The Kings allowed the most points last year at 104. The Bulls allowed the least at 88.

    Do you still think he'd average 40 easily in todays game?
    This goes with what I was saying as well..

    Also think about how many teams from the 80s/90s would foul just to foul. They used those hard fouls for intimidation because a hard foul was just a foul. Especially on elite scorers like Jordan.

    People call it "weak" or "watered down" but in today's game you don't see that as much because players are worried those harder fouls will be techs, flagrants , intentionals, etc.. You see more straight up defense at the rim forcing harder shots.

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    • Rockie_Fresh88
      Lockdown Defender
      • Oct 2011
      • 9621

      #11852
      Re: The LeBron James Thread

      This guy is scary good...
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      • TajDeni
        Pro
        • May 2010
        • 906

        #11853
        Re: The LeBron James Thread

        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
        and they'll keep doing it....

        Dirk was Bird reincarnated after he won his ship...it goes on...if KD pops his ring cherry he'll be compared to god knows who as well...this is not exclusive to Mr. James...

        This entire discussion just seems like a roundabout way to say: "Im tired of all the coverage LeBron is currently getting" which we can all understand....but it would've been easier just to say that, lol
        i just type it how the universe brings it to me; but i guess the street gang reference did get kinda outta hand

        anyways i thought of a better one. what i was trying to say is that every thing lebron james does is jeremy lin-ish. its just blown up to an ever greater degree than it already is. they just go too far. and sometimes i just wonder are we so desperate to replace the J-man.

        look at earl clark and what he's doing as compared to jeremy lin. kinda the same thing with 1/4 the hype behind it and you know why.

        and thats what i feel is happening with everything lebron does. it always seems to go all jeremy lin-ish. remember when lebron hit that buzzer beater against the magic in the playoffs? you woulda thought that was the 1st playoff buzzer beater hit in the history nba. they go too far.

        thats why i originally asked is he overhyped.
        Last edited by TajDeni; 02-13-2013, 07:09 AM.
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        • slimm44
          MVP
          • Sep 2005
          • 3253

          #11854
          Re: The LeBron James Thread

          Originally posted by TajDeni
          i just type it how the universe brings it to me; but i guess the street gang reference did get kinda outta hand

          anyways i thought of a better one. what i was trying to say is that every thing lebron james does is jeremy lin-ish. its just blown up to an ever greater degree than it already is. they just go too far. and sometimes i just wonder are we so desperate to replace the J-man.

          look at earl clark and what he's doing as compared to jeremy lin. kinda the same thing with 1/4 the hype behind it and you know why.

          and thats what i feel is happening with everything lebron does. it always seems to go all jeremy lin-ish. remember when lebron hit that buzzer beater against the magic in the playoffs? you woulda thought that was the 1st playoff buzzer beater hit in the history nba. they go too far.

          thats why i originally asked is he overhyped.
          Can you just talk about what you see or don't see in LBJ? Bringing in these other references confuses the discussion and makes it more difficult to see what your points are.
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          • Sam Marlowe
            Banned
            • Aug 2010
            • 1230

            #11855
            Re: The LeBron James Thread

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            MJ is my favorite player of all time, so I'm certainly not trying to down play him in any way at all.

            But there is more to the game than the fouls or hand checking that has changed.

            Teams average much less shot attempts per game then they did back in the 80's man. And it's a much slower pace. And zone defenses would absolutely plug the lane if they knew it was MJ who was attacking.

            At the point in his career when he was scoring 37 a game I don't think he had the outside shooting ability to put up 40 per.. And even if he did it would be on an absurd amount of shots, MJ wouldn't, at least I don't think he would, hog the ball in that manner.
            On a bad team Mj would def get enough shot attempts. Also, teams have been using quasi-zones for a long time in this League. Its not a recent development. In the end, only the absolute best defensive teams employ zone principles in a really meaningful way. Thats like 2-3 teams max. We can also look at the game's best slashers, are they (Lbj, wade, Rw, ect) really having all that much trouble getting to the basket? No, because the game has been redesigned for easier travel on the perimeter. And frankly only lbj is in Jordan's class getting to the rim. But thats just part of the picture. Prime Jordan had a million options. He was excellent moving without the ball, very good in catch and shoot situations and was deadly in the post. All that to go along with his driving ability. I doubt he goes for 40 per but he was def be in the high 30s. The game as it is now is perfectly designed for his skill set.

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            • King_B_Mack
              All Star
              • Jan 2009
              • 24450

              #11856
              Re: The LeBron James Thread

              Originally posted by TMagic
              That's not the best argument. You cant just compare generations like that.

              He scored 37 a game in the same year the worst team defensively was giving up 118 a game! The best team was allowing 103 a game. And to score those 37, he took 28 a game.

              For comparison purposes, The Kings allowed the most points last year at 104. The Bulls allowed the least at 88.

              Do you still think he'd average 40 easily in todays game?
              Yes I still think he could average 40 today. Hell I think LeBron right now could average 40 if he just unleashed his full potential and looked to score first and foremost. Hell Jordan averaged 4.6 assists while scoring out of his mind. We just spent the last two weeks talking about LeBron's 70-80 percent shooting at the rim and now we're talking about zone defenses clogging the rim deterring Michael Jordan's scoring? Bron in just his last five games prior to last night was 37-44 in the paint. There is no doubt in my mind that if you put Jordan in today's NBA and on a team as bad as the one he averaged 37.1 on that he could get to 40.

              If you don't agree that's fine, I ain't mad at you. I did preface my point with my Jordan bias on this one.

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              • jeebs9
                Fear is the Unknown
                • Oct 2008
                • 47568

                #11857
                Well congrats Lebron. But I cant believe that Wilt never had a record like that.

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                • JODYE
                  JB4MVP
                  • May 2012
                  • 4834

                  #11858
                  Re: The LeBron James Thread

                  This goes with what I was saying as well..

                  Also think about how many teams from the 80s/90s would foul just to foul. They used those hard fouls for intimidation because a hard foul was just a foul. Especially on elite scorers like Jordan.

                  People call it "weak" or "watered down" but in today's game you don't see that as much because players are worried those harder fouls will be techs, flagrants , intentionals, etc.. You see more straight up defense at the rim forcing harder shots.
                  This logic is faulty and also seems misinformed. You act as if they were imploring a Hack-a-Jordan routine which completely was not the case. Most of those hard fouls, occurred in the paint.

                  Also, you don't think that there would be more of a reservation attacking the basket, knowing what was allowed then as opposed to now, where it seems like front court players are almost scared to make significant contact. Another reason, these guys lives are 10 times easier when it comes to attacking the rim and to the free throw line. If guys like Durant, who is primarily a catch and shoot player are able to get to the line 10 times a game, a prime Jordan could get there 14-15 times a game if he really wanted to.

                  Are we really that far removed from the era to forget how these guys used to get mugged any time they got anywhere near the rim? Or to forget how above and beyond Jordan was and is when it came to attacking the basket? Jordan would have a field day with the offensively catered officiating in the paint area.

                  Again going along with King, I may have a slight Jordan bias, but I also don't understand how it's that hard to visualize him dropping 40 a game in his prime.

                  He came into the league with a very undeveloped jump shot and from 3 point range was pretty much a non factor and averaged 37 ppg, but it's impossible to see him scoring an extra 3 ppg today when he was in his prime? Okay.

                  I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree.

                  Also is this run really a record? Or has BSPN just turned it into that? MJ had six game stretches far superior to this one, that didn't get near this incredible recognition, but today, that really isn't a huge surprise.

                  EDIT - I know this has been said before, but I've grown ever so tired of the insatiable need to compare anything any player does of significance to MJ. Obviously this is nothing new, but there will NEVER be another player that compares to Michael. Ever. Can we add this as a bannable offense on OS, so convos like this are avoided? lol
                  Last edited by JODYE; 02-13-2013, 09:53 AM.
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                  • The 24th Letter
                    ERA
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 39373

                    #11859
                    That's actually where logic becomes faulty, where we go and start predicting mentalities...players play the way they do because they are in the era they're in...

                    Not everyone who attacked the basket on a regular basis in the 90's was the biggest guy, built to withstand epically hard fouls every time they drove...there isn't really evidence at all to say players now couldn't do the same given the circumstances...that's where I fully agree with OJ...doesn't really make sense to say that...

                    As far as MJ averaging 40...I'll just agree to disagree there,..that's a lot of points a game...but I don't even care to convince anyone otherwise b/c I doubt it's possible...lol

                    What we should all have realized by now is that pretty much everything is going to be blown up on ESPN and major networks...how this still surprises people is beyond me...No, Jordan's run didn't get the publicity, but we have to start realizing that this is because it's 2013, not because everyone just loves LeBron...

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                    • JODYE
                      JB4MVP
                      • May 2012
                      • 4834

                      #11860
                      Re: The LeBron James Thread

                      I'm not really sure how taking what we know about Jordan is predicting mentalities.

                      If we're taking the conversation to, "if player A grew up playing this style of basketball", then it would become faulty because it would basically become fully hypothetical.

                      We know what Jordan was, and who he was mentally and how he had the desire to destroy everyone in his path.
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                      • The 24th Letter
                        ERA
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 39373

                        #11861
                        Well, you edited the part of your post I was referring to, lol

                        Like I said, I won't touch the MJ stuff...I agree though about the constant comparisons...

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                        • JODYE
                          JB4MVP
                          • May 2012
                          • 4834

                          #11862
                          Re: The LeBron James Thread

                          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                          Well, you edited the part of your post I was referring to, lol

                          Like I said, I won't touch the MJ stuff...I agree though about the constant comparisons...
                          All I did was add the edit part. Nothing else changed in the body of text.

                          I'm with you though, MJ discussion needs to be left alone on this board.
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                          • Fresh Tendrils
                            Strike Hard and Fade Away
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 36131

                            #11863
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            But MJ is the supreme, ultimate basketball being as proclaimed by the god-governing body that is ESPN and if we can't compare LBJ/KB24/etc to MJ on a constant and continual basis what else will we talk about?



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                            • jeebs9
                              Fear is the Unknown
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 47568

                              #11864
                              Re: The LeBron James Thread

                              All this MJ talk. My favorite thing about LeBron James right now. Not seeing a bunch of isolation anymore. He's spotting up for 3's. And hitting that med range at a high rate. Best part of all. He is eating teams for lunch on the low block. Sounds a lot like Jordan at his prime.

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                              • King_B_Mack
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 24450

                                #11865
                                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                                Originally posted by 13
                                Also is this run really a record? Or has BSPN just turned it into that? MJ had six game stretches far superior to this one, that didn't get near this incredible recognition, but today, that really isn't a huge surprise.

                                EDIT - I know this has been said before, but I've grown ever so tired of the insatiable need to compare anything any player does of significance to MJ. Obviously this is nothing new, but there will NEVER be another player that compares to Michael. Ever. Can we add this as a bannable offense on OS, so convos like this are avoided? lol
                                It is a record but it's one of those qualifier records. He's the first player in NBA history to score 30 points and shoot at least 60 percent in in six straight games.

                                Not gonna take away from how well he's doing though cause he's playing some beautiful ball right now and it's hard to dislike a guy doing what he's doing right now.

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