The LeBron James Thread

[Kashanova]

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It's still not OK.

I don't think it will ever be ok

[King_B_Mack]

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Won't be with Bron either. Or anybody for that matter, but that's a whole other can of worms that should just stay closed.

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I don't understand why people Jump to conclusions and try to compare anyone to Michael Jordan. The NBA Back when Jordan played was so much harder then it is now. The rules were different the game was much more physical and competition was more difficult. If Jordan played in today's era he would put up 40 a night. Some people think that is an exaggeration but it's really true.

Lebron when it is all said and Done will go down as one of the best to play the game. I'm not arguing that, what Lebron is doing right now is inhuman. But If guys like Jordan, Magic and Bird played in this soft watered down version of the NBA. It wouldn't be close.

All that aside, I love watching Lebron play. Every game he will deliver some jaw dropping highlights that you thought were only possible in a video game. Stop focusing on comparing him to the All time greats and just enjoy what he is doing on the court right now. Appreciate the fact that he is an amazing talent.

[Vni]

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Well said.

[Vni]

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I don't think it will ever be ok

Man it's a pathology that you got there. You just can't stop yourself. Like 75% of your posts are about him. When do you consider it's getting old?

[ojandpizza]

I HATE era comparison..

Nobody knows what would or wouldn't happen when moving players into different generations of the sport it's pointless to say.

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I HATE era comparison..

Nobody knows what would or wouldn't happen when moving players into different generations of the sport it's pointless to say.

You breathe on a guy the wrong way nowadays and its a foul. The Bad Boy Pistons would be banned from playing if they tried their tactics in a modern NBA setting.

[ojandpizza]

You breathe on a guy the wrong way nowadays and its a foul. The Bad Boy Pistons would be banned from playing if they tried their tactics in a modern NBA setting.

So who's to say LeBron couldn't average a triple double in an era that was a much faster pace (which is obviously ideal for him) and with much more shot attempts (more chances for points rebounds and assists)????

Yeah there was some harder fouls, and some hand checking but some people here, like the statement you just made, over exaggerate it WAY too much.

And yeah it might be easier for guys like Jordan to score, but you have to factor in less shot attempts, crowded lanes from zone defenses, etc.. And fouls that aren't as hard? Who cares how hard it's still a damn foul.

It is just absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to compare any era. It's just as pointless as the Wilt Chamberlain arguments.

There is absolutely no fair way to judge any of it. Players accomplish what they accomplish regardless of when they play.

[ojandpizza]

And I'm not trying to be biased towards today's NBA.

Jordan is my favorite player of all time, and in the top 10 players thread the only player I had from the modern era on my list was Shaq. No Kobe, no Duncan, no LeBron (yet)..

So it's not that I favor today's NBA or that I didn't get to see the 80's and 90's..

I'm just saying its absolutely impossible to say what a player can or can't do playing in a completely different era of basketball under a completely different style and some different rules..

[Kashanova]

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Won't be with Bron either. Or anybody for that matter, but that's a whole other can of worms that should just stay closed.

That goes with out saying. Lebron is definitely creating his own legacy. He doesn't go out of his way to mimic him. That being said MJ stands alone.

Man it's a pathology that you got there. You just can't stop yourself. Like 75% of your posts are about him. When do you consider it's getting old?

I've been here nearly 10 years and I don't consider it old at all.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And I'm not trying to be biased towards today's NBA.

Jordan is my favorite player of all time, and in the top 10 players thread the only player I had from the modern era on my list was Shaq. No Kobe, no Duncan, no LeBron (yet)..

So it's not that I favor today's NBA or that I didn't get to see the 80's and 90's..

I'm just saying its absolutely impossible to say what a player can or can't do playing in a completely different era of basketball under a completely different style and some different rules..

Basically you hate "What if" scenarios in Sports.

[ojandpizza]

Basically you hate "What if" scenarios in Sports.

No, the "what if" scenarios don't bother me.

It's the claims such as "Jordan would average 40 in today's game that's a fact" or "Wilt wouldn't be good in today's game", or "Wilt would still dominate today" or "If Kobe and LeBron had to play the bad boy Pistons".

Stuff like that, claims that nobody can actually truly back up of fairly evaluate.

It's tough to say what would or wouldn't happen, I don't like the whole argument claiming that today's NBA is "watered down" or that guys in the 60's were playing against lesser competition.. Arguments like that.

The NBA has always been the greatest collection of basketball talent in the world. It's never been a pushover league. What a player accomplishes now is just as important as what someone did 30 years ago.

[TajDeni]

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basically what i was tryin to say is that you shouldnt be considered, not that you shouldnt be compared to, an OG until you officially put in the work to become an OG and get that OG title. You can be a G, putting it down for your set like no other b4 you; but nomatter how well you put it down, you still wont get recognised as a OG until the day you officially become an OG.

imo a man should only be honored by the actual stripes he's accomplished and earned on his shirt. to do otherwise, i kinda feel like is a bit disrespectful to what the others had to accomplish and go through to get those stripes on their uniform.

we all understand that sky is the limit for lebron, but imo he still has a whole lot of work to put in b4 his application should even be eligible for OG status.

im not saying that its wrong that lebron gets compared to the OGs of the game, im saying that its wrong imo that folks treat him like he's already an OG og the game.

to me a G is a G and a OG is something completely different than a G. and to me lebron is just a G. he doesnt have enough stripes on his shirt yet. but i inda feel like theres this rush to clear a path for him to OG status and sometimes i just wonder why.

again responses. and i try, i cant write short responses. im working on it tho.

[JODYE]

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basically what i was tryin to say is that you shouldnt be considered, not that you shouldnt be compared to, an OG until you officially put in the work to become an OG and get that OG title. You can be a G, putting it down for your set like no other b4 you; but nomatter how well you put it down, you still wont get recognised as a OG until the day you officially become an OG.

imo a man should only be honored by the actual stripes he's accomplished and earned on his shirt. to do otherwise, i kinda feel like is a bit disrespectful to what the others had to accomplish and go through to get those stripes on their uniform.

we all understand that sky is the limit for lebron, but imo he still has a whole lot of work to put in b4 his application should even be eligible for OG status.

im not saying that its wrong that lebron gets compared to the OGs of the game, im saying that its wrong imo that folks treat him like he's already an OG og the game.

to me a G is a G and a OG is something completely different than a G. and to me lebron is just a G. he doesnt have enough stripes on his shirt yet. but i inda feel like theres this rush to clear a path for him to OG status and sometimes i just wonder why.

again responses. and i try, i cant write short responses. im working on it tho.

[Sam Marlowe]

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No, the "what if" scenarios don't bother me.

It's the claims such as "Jordan would average 40 in today's game that's a fact" or "Wilt wouldn't be good in today's game", or "Wilt would still dominate today" or "If Kobe and LeBron had to play the bad boy Pistons".

Stuff like that, claims that nobody can actually truly back up of fairly evaluate.

It's tough to say what would or wouldn't happen, I don't like the whole argument claiming that today's NBA is "watered down" or that guys in the 60's were playing against lesser competition.. Arguments like that.

The NBA has always been the greatest collection of basketball talent in the world. It's never been a pushover league. What a player accomplishes now is just as important as what someone did 30 years ago.

The issues you raise are nowhere near as convoluted as you've made them out to be. This isnt wartime strategy (where tactics and rules of engagement have changed to point of not even being comparable in some cases) its basketball. We know what the strengths and weaknesses of these players are. So venturing to say for example that MJs playing style during his prime would translate to him being an even more effective scorer today (in a League which has specifically designed itself to cater to players who score from the wings) is not some far out twist of logic. Saying that Wilt (who was a world class athlete even by todays standards and had a skill set that outpaces the best at his position today) could dominate in todays game isnt a bad argument to make. We know whats these guys were/are and we know how each era has applied their rules and strategy. Therefore im not sure how you couldn't manage decent argument for how someone would perform in a different era.