The LeBron James Thread

[d11king]

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Maybe, but one, LeBron has only averaged over 28, four times in his career, all coincidentally coming in Cleveland.

Secondly, LeBron isn't that player anymore and he isn't on that type of team anymore where he has to be a chucker to help them win, and I think even if he was, his game is so much more well rounded, he doesn't have to superhero a team to a win in terms of forcing his shots up.

And again, the wear this guy is enduring right now is unprecedented. He's is not a god, and he's not going to last forever. Being in the league from 18 years old is a lot of NBA mileage, especially with the work load he has and the minutes he's played in his career.

Just not going to happen.

Random stat but Kobe at 34, is averaging 29.7 points on 39 minutes.

[JODYE]

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Random stat but Kobe at 34, is averaging 29.7 points on 39 minutes.

Cool. On 22 shots. So impressive.

Plus Kobe actually cares about crap like that. I honestly think LeBron could care less about being the leading scorer of all time.

[ojandpizza]

You guys are basically saying LeBron is going to burn out faster than almost any other big time NBA star has.. I just do not see that happening.

Ok and sorry about saying 28PPG, I didn't realize 27 was so much less than that lol.

If Karl Malone can still score 27ppg at age 34 I don't see why LeBron shouldn't be able to.

[d11king]

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Cool. On 22 shots. So impressive.

Plus Kobe actually cares about crap like that. I honestly think LeBron could care less about being the leading scorer of all time.

That I actually believe haha. I honestly felt like Kobe wouldn't retire until the scoring title was in his possession, or at least past Jordan.

[ojandpizza]

That I actually believe haha. I honestly felt like Kobe wouldn't retire until the scoring title was in his possession, or at least past Jordan.

I didn't think he would either. I guess we'll see

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You guys are basically saying LeBron is going to burn out faster than almost any other big time NBA star has.. I just do not see that happening.

Ok and sorry about saying 28PPG, I didn't realize 27 was so much less than that lol.

If Karl Malone can still score 27ppg at age 34 I don't see why LeBron shouldn't be able to.

No I'm not basically saying that. I made clear what I said

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[JODYE]

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You guys are basically saying LeBron is going to burn out faster than almost any other big time NBA star has.. I just do not see that happening.

Ok and sorry about saying 28PPG, I didn't realize 27 was so much less than that lol.

If Karl Malone can still score 27ppg at age 34 I don't see why LeBron shouldn't be able to.

Who said that?

You guys are expecting him to be the scoring champ into his late 30s.

Karl Malone played 4 years in college, and also played in one of the best pick and role tandems ever to play the game. Not everyone is Karl Malone and not everyone is MJ.

Karl Malone wasn't guarding every teams best perimeter player. Karl Malone wasn't bringing the ball up every possession, having to create for everyone else. It's easy to pick out the greats of all time and say, well look this one guy did it, so see he can no doubt do it.

Wilt at 34? 20 ppg
Russell at 34? 9 ppg
Robertson at 34? 15 ppg
Baylor at 34? 24 ppg
Bird at 34? 19 ppg
Kareem at 34? 23 ppg

Kareem to me is the anomaly here, mainly because he had easily the best post game among bigs at that time. Something that LeBron does not have the luxury of.

Again, being that elite of an scorer at 34 is rare, and coupling that with LeBron's usage rate and also his makeup of being a distributor, I don't see it happening.

[BringTheHeat]

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Who said that?

You guys are expecting him to be the scoring champ into his late 30s.

Karl Malone played 4 years in college, and also played in one of the best pick and role tandems ever to play the game. Not everyone is Karl Malone and not everyone is MJ.

Karl Malone wasn't guarding every teams best perimeter player. Karl Malone wasn't bringing the ball up every possession, having to create for everyone else. It's easy to pick out the greats of all time and say, well look this one guy did it, so see he can no doubt do it.

Wilt at 34? 20 ppg
Russell at 34? 9 ppg
Robertson at 34? 15 ppg
Baylor at 34? 24 ppg
Bird at 34? 19 ppg
Kareem at 34? 23 ppg

Kareem to me is the anomaly here, mainly because he had easily the best post game among bigs at that time. Something that LeBron does not have the luxury of.

Again, being that elite of an scorer at 34 is rare, and coupling that with LeBron's usage rate and also his makeup of being a distributor, I don't see it happening.

Jordan at 34? 28 ppg
Kobe at 33? 29 ppg

LeBron is the same type of player as Jordan, not those guys you mentioned. Wilt easily could've averaged 30+ if he wanted to, but he changed his game when he went to LA. He's also a post player, more physical than what LeBron does.

Russell? In a conversation about offense and scoring?

Robertson and Baylor are great examples, except LeBron is a much better scorer than these guys were.

Bird had no back at 34.

Kareem is a post player, can't compare.

[JODYE]

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LeBron is not the same type of player as Jordan. Stop it.

I addressed those players because they were brought up by someone else.

Bird had no back is an excuse. Part of the game. Have no idea what is going to happen to LeBron in the next 6 years. He's human just like everyone else.

If there is a player likely to break the scoring record, it's Durant, not LeBron.

[BringTheHeat]

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LeBron is not the same type of player as Jordan. Stop it.

I addressed those players because they were brought up by someone else.

Bird had no back is an excuse. Part of the game. Have no idea what is going to happen to LeBron in the next 6 years. He's human just like everyone else.

If there is a player likely to break the scoring record, it's Durant, not LeBron.

LeBron isn't asked to lead a team and carry them offensively and defensively? Score, rebound, assist..

He has the same role Jordan had.

Didn't see the OP on that, sorry

True injuries are part of the game, and you're right you can't predict it.

You can't say LeBron isn't likely to do it and then turn around and say Durant is likely for all the reasons mentioned above..

[JODYE]

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I meant LeBron is not the same in terms of being such a pure scorer and having the offensive arsenal that Jordan had.

Durant doesn't guard the other teams best players, Durant doesn't bring the ball up creating for everyone else. He's a completely different player.

And I say that, because his scoring pace is already better than that of LeBron's.

Obviously, injury is always a factor though.

[The 24th Letter]

The whole "LeBron is gonna be burned out" is one of the most overblown things in the NBA. For an average athlete yes, but LeBron is probably the best athlete since MJ, he's not going to burn out at like 33, especially if he keeps improving his shooting.

While I don't believe he'll be dropping big #'s in his deep 30's I definitely agree the whole idea of him burning out is overblown...

LeBron has played with good rebounding teams, still averaged the same 7 rebounds...played with PGs who could run an offense, same 6 assists per...

It's just what he does...and has always done. As far as guarding the best player on the other team, he mostly splits that time w/ Battier...he doesn't guard KD, Melo etc for full games.

The only real extra burden i'd agree on is the fact he plays out position...that I can see wearing him down...

[ojandpizza]

I didn't bring up those other guys to mention how many points they scored? I said they logged more minutes earlier in their careers than LeBron did?

And nobody here is acting like he'll be the scoring champ late past his 30s?

If he keeps this same pace he won't have to score 25 per game over the next 10 years or whatever. Say he stays around 27 up until 32 or 33. Which is extremely likely, he can score in twice as many ways as Malone could..

But yeah, 27 per till 33ish.. The next 5 years wouldn't have to be 25.. More like 22.. Or steadily decline from 26ish down to 20 maybe even 19..

It doesn't seem that unlikely he can make that happen.. Especially with his shooting percentages rising like crazy, his post game improving, and his 3 point shooting improving..

If he ever becomes a high % free throw shooter the possibilities are endless. IMO

[ojandpizza]

I meant LeBron is not the same in terms of being such a pure scorer and having the offensive arsenal that Jordan had.

Durant doesn't guard the other teams best players, Durant doesn't bring the ball up creating for everyone else. He's a completely different player.

And I say that, because his scoring pace is already better than that of LeBron's.

Obviously, injury is always a factor though.

Durants scoring pace is not better than LeBrons.. You realize all it woulda took for LeBron to be the scoring champ instead of Durant last season is an extra free throw per game? Just 1 free throw.

LeBron could easily lead the league in scoring. It just becomes a matter of if he wants to.

[ojandpizza]

Durant just finished his 5th year in the league at 9978 and LeBron at the end of his was at 10689... He has not been scoring at a better pace.