The LeBron James Thread

[Starlin4Prez]

Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

I was never getting my hopes up about anything but if we are going to speculate and guess let's at least have some legitimate sources/reasoning rather than just making points or guaranteeing things with no evidence, that's all I'm saying.

Dirk Nowitzki is going to the Bobcats, Wizards or Nets definitely...the end.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

I was never getting my hopes up about anything but if we are going to speculate and guess let's at least have some legitimate sources/reasoning rather than just making points or guaranteeing things with no evidence, that's all I'm saying.

Dirk Nowitzki is going to the Bobcats, Wizards or Nets definitely...the end.

Yeah because Bosh going to Miami, Chicago or NY is definitely reaching. LOL

They have money and pretty good players, is that enough reasoning for you?

[ZB9]

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Marc Stein is one of the more well connected writers at ESPN and he usually has some good insight

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...=owners-100628

The 'Big O' key in courting the King

Ownership, organizations to play big role in LeBron James' decision in free agency

<cite class="source"> By Marc Stein</cite>
It's the reason the New Jersey Nets, fresh off a 12-win season, are getting the first opportunity to sit down with the most coveted free agent in the history of American sport.
It's the reason the Miami Heat, for all the questions about James and Dwyane Wade successfully sharing one ball if they ever end up on the same team, have been mentioned all season as a top contender in the LeBron James Sweepstakes.
It's the reason the Dallas Mavericks, without even a hint of salary-cap space, seem certain to make the short list of teams that get an invite to James' northeast Ohio base to make their recruiting pitch.
It's also a big reason you've gradually heard less and less about the New York Knicks stealing James away from his hometown team … and it's why the Los Angeles Clippers' pitch is ultimately doomed no matter how many surprisingly good things they can say about the setup in Clipperland … and why the Chicago Bulls can't yet allow themselves to believe all the chatter circulating leaguewide about a LeBron-and-Chris Bosh "done deal."
It's the "O" variable in James' decision of a lifetime.
Ownership.
Or in the broader sense: organizations.
As lifelong LeBron-watcher Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer expertly conveyed in the latest edition of the Free Agency Dime, James' choice to either re-sign with the Cavaliers or leave the Cavs after seven ringless seasons will essentially be made by a committee of one. History says James will weigh all the input from his various advisers, including William "Worldwide Wes" Wesley and best friend/business manager Maverick Carter, and then head in the direction he's picked out.
And then let all of us know that he was in total control.
But what is LeBron looking for?
That's where the O factor comes in.
History also says that LeBron, from his years studying uber-successful mentors Warren Buffett and Jay-Z, is big on the word "partnership." Sources with a pipeline to his inner circle say that James has been schooled to approach his long-awaited foray into free agency as a search for a business partner who can help cement the legacy of the LeBron brand as opposed to a strict hunt for the on-the-court sidekicks who can help him win the multiple championships he needs to get anywhere near Global Icon status.
Trite as this stuff might sound, those who know James best say that it's not just marketing blather he splashes on the company website. When it comes to James' myriad endorsements, LeBron is fond of saying he wants to be a partner -- not a mere vendor.
Example: LeBron was offered more money from Reebok and lavish promises from adidas back when he was a sneaker free agent, which might be the closest applicable comparison to the situation he's in now. Yet he wound up signing with Nike largely because of Nike's proven closeness with star endorser Michael Jordan and the vibe he got from Nike basketball chief Lynn Merritt.
So …
Should he apply the same logic to his NBA future, as you'd expect, owners and/or organizations rank as an oft-overlooked but undeniably huge factor in James' thinking.
If history is a trusty guide, James won't be fixated on the Nets' glamourless image or the two looming seasons in Newark before the team finally moves to Brooklyn during Thursday's opening face-to-face. The appeal of New Jersey, beyond going to a team that has quality building blocks at point guard (Devin Harris) and center (Brook Lopez), is the allure of teaming up with the mysterious, new, billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov, who happens to count the aforementioned Jay-Z as a handy/legendary minority owner.
Miami's big hook to supplement the enticing prospect of making his Team USA partnership with Wade full time also starts in the ownership suite, but for different reasons. Heat majority owner Micky Arison's willingness to consistently provide the resources to contend while staying in the background gives title-tested (and famously persuasive) team president Pat Riley uncommon freedom to run the show.
The Mavericks, meanwhile, were always going to get on LeBron's radar -- with or without cap space -- because of Mark Cuban. Sources close to the situation say that the Mavs' player-friendly owner is well-respected by James' gang. It also doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones, owner of LeBron's favorite football team, is an unofficial Mavs partner.
James relishes interaction with the likes of Jones and is known to have made it a point to get to know several owners from around the NBA in recent years. Two more examples: LeBron has a longstanding friendship with the Maloof brothers in Sacramento and met a handful of owners in 2009 at a major media conference in Sun Valley.
The same principle, then, is likely to work in reverse with the owners who don't have good reputations.
Which is why the steady stream of LeBron-to-New York rumblings we've heard since the arrival of Donnie Walsh as team president and Mike D'Antoni as the Knicks' LeBron-endorsed coach have been drowned out by more persistent rumblings that James -- on top of concerns about the Knicks' thin roster and unwelcome smothering from the New York tabloid media -- does not want to attach himself to habitually unsmooth Knicks owner James Dolan.
The Clippers? Doesn't matter how good they might look on paper to James, with a foursome of quality teammates (Chris Kaman, Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon and Baron Davis) ready to surround him. Proximity to off-the-court business opportunities only Hollywood can provide, as sexy as that sounds, just isn't going to persuade James to put his legacy in the hands of bumbling Clippers owner Donald Sterling, who has presided over two winning seasons in a 26-season run in Los Angeles. Not unless Sterling, as detailed here a few weeks back, violates his own decades-old vow to never sell anything and cedes majority control of the franchise to entertainment mogul David Geffen.
The O factor is also what the Bulls presumably can blame if the impressive complementary core they've assembled (Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah) and all the cap space they've cleared (to go after Bosh or Joe Johnson in addition to James) ultimately fail -- amid all this "done deal" talk -- to lure James to the Cavs' most hated rival.
The Bulls were routinely bashed from an organizational standpoint even when they were winning championships, thanks to Michael Jordan's openly dim view of then-GM Jerry Krause. This season, though, criticism of Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and his front-office tag team of John Paxson and Gar Forman reached new levels, prompted by Chicago's mistreatment of since-fired coach Vinny Del Negro and most recently disseminated in a well-publicized critique from Wade about how Chicago treats ex-Bulls.
Even if Wade's criticism was a thinly veiled attempt to enhance the Heat's case in free agency, Chicago knows it has some image issues. Reinsdorf's reputation as a reluctant spender? Another issue.
Maybe none of that will matter in the end, because the Bulls are otherwise set up so well. It's also true that Wesley has maintained a good working relationship with Reinsdorf for years and is believed to be lobbying hardest for the Bulls, which is where much of LeBron-and-Bosh-to-Chicago chatter originates. Yet you still hear well-connected folks around the league asking -- louder than the many questions Jordan's longtime agent David Falk has raised about James going to the Bulls in recent interviews with Sports Illustrated and CBS Sports -- whether LeBron is indeed prepared to commit to Reinsdorf.
Ditto for Cavs owner Dan Gilbert and the increasingly nerve-shredding campaign to persuade James to stay right where he is. LeBron associates continue to say that for all the grandiose visions of what might be in Chicago and Miami, turning his back on his sports-tortured home state will be tougher for a proud Ohioan than outsiders will ever realize. The humbling manner of Cleveland's second-round exit only made it tougher, too, because leaving the Cavs now is the one outcome that will keep that surreal playoff unraveling on James' résumé forever.
But staying with the Cavs -- when they lack the cap flexibility or the trade assets to significantly remake a roster badly in need of upgrades -- would be the ultimate show of faith in Cavs ownership. Although it's true that Gilbert has shown an unmatched willingness to take on extra payroll in today's cost-conscious NBA and cater to LeBron's every whim from a nonroster standpoint, there's also no escaping what Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak told The New York Times earlier this month: "I think you do have to have two players that have extraordinary abilities at this stage of the season -- I really do."
Does LeBron have faith that Gilbert can quickly manufacture an extraordinary No. 2 when so many LeBron suitors can do that so easily this summer? Or has he lost faith in Gilbert as was routinely whispered during Cleveland's unsuccessful bid to pry Tom Izzo away from Michigan State?
All of the above is only one clue to help us forecast the outcome of this Summer of LeBron, but know this: It's a biggie.
The prediction here is that ownership will be cited as one of the major reasons James cites when he has that historic news conference to explain why he chose what he chose.
The O factor.
The Big O, if you will.

[P2K]

Re: The Official &quot;Where is LeBron going?&quot; Thread

LOL @ ESPN as a legit source

[Starlin4Prez]

Re: The Official &quot;Where is LeBron going?&quot; Thread

Yeah because Bosh going to Miami, Chicago or NY is definitely reaching. LOL

They have money and pretty good players, is that enough reasoning for you?

Wasn't singling you out if you read my earlier post, I was talking about alot of other people that have posted before you.

Except your have pretty good players only applies to one of those teams, seeing Miami has officially 2 on the roster and the Knicks...well they are the Knicks.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Wasn't singling you out if you read my earlier post, I was talking about alot of other people that have posted before you.

Except your have pretty good players only applies to one of those teams, seeing Miami has officially 2 on the roster and the Knicks...well they are the Knicks.

Oh my bad I thought you were, but I must say Ric Bucher/ESPN is no better than you or I.

When others here post speculation, most likely they're going off what they've read off another source [not Bucher or anyone from ESPN].. there are plenty of insiders out there and with Twitter/RealGM, who are much more reputable and in the know more than anyone on ESPN.

[Starlin4Prez]

Re: The Official &quot;Where is LeBron going?&quot; Thread

Oh my bad I thought you were, but I must say Ric Bucher/ESPN is no better than you or I.

When others here post speculation, most likely they're going off what they've read off another source [not Bucher or anyone from ESPN].. there are plenty of insiders out there and with Twitter/RealGM, who are much more reputable and in the know more than anyone on ESPN.

And I totally agree and usually only listen to Bill Simmons or Steiny Mo on ESPN.

Either way, we can all speculate all we want but the fact of the matter none of us know ****...Even the "insiders"...lmao. Who like us are just hypothesizing.

[NYJets]

Re: The Official &quot;Where is LeBron going?&quot; Thread

Steven A. Smith has officially lost it, saying that the Knicks used to have the inside track for Lebron, but they lost it because they fired Isiah.

[Altimus]

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Steven A. Smith has officially lost it, saying that the Knicks used to have the inside track for Lebron, but they lost it because they fired Isiah.

[Altimus]

Re: The Official &quot;Where is LeBron going?&quot; Thread

Found this on RealGM and found it to be pretty fair.

Bulls and Knicks fans =

[Starlin4Prez]

Re: The Official &quot;Where is LeBron going?&quot; Thread

Steven A. Smith has officially lost it, saying that the Knicks used to have the inside track for Lebron, but they lost it because they fired Isiah.

Whatever non-existant credibility Stephen A. had before...well, that went out the window. Just add it to the novel of other erroneous comments he has made.

[King_B_Mack]

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So listening to ESPN radio here in the Chi just now and the Bulls beat writer Nick Friedell says he just got off the phone with Larry Coon (who is the man as far as the NBA salary cap goes) and according to Coon, the Heat do not have enough space to sign Wade, LeBron and Bosh right now. They have the cash to resign Wade, then sign LeBron but until they move Beasley's contract, they don't have the cash to sign all three.

[Starlin4Prez]

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Thought that had already been mentioned earlier. I had heard that like a week ago that the Heat were desperately trying to dump Beasley so they could free up that room. I can't see anyone taking that contract and his personality. Unless the Knicks do lol

[King_B_Mack]

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Thought that had already been mentioned earlier. I had heard that like a week ago that the Heat were desperately trying to dump Beasley so they could free up that room. I can't see anyone taking that contract and his personality. Unless the Knicks do lol

Yeah but people are freaking out cause Stephen A has come out today saying that Bosh and James are going to Miami and it's not a guess but fact.

[Starlin4Prez]

Re: The Official &quot;Where is LeBron going?&quot; Thread

LMFAO