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  • brahmagoul
    MVP
    • Jun 2003
    • 1860

    #2191
    Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

    Originally posted by NYJets
    For the first part, because getting a 2nd top 10 player is much more difficult to do than getting a few role players.

    2nd part, the $11 million or whatever it is might not be enough for a max, but that's going to get you a good player, or a couple good players. I don't get it, first you say the max player thing isn't important because of lack of depth, now it is?

    3rd part, we've been through this a ton of times in this thread already, but I still say it depends what moves the teams make
    In regards to the second part, I was pointing out a flaw I see in the Knicks' argument, case or whatever you want to call it. The selling point of Curry's contract coming off the books isn't as great as it's made out to be. For one, it won't be enough to get a max player and, second, you don't know who will be out there.

    But let's give this some food for thought. When's the last time I team added two max players and went to the Finals or became an automatic contender? The first team that comes to mind is Orlando with McGrady and Hill, but Hill got hurt. Boston's the one team that made those big additions by trade and instantly won. But no other teams are really coming to my mind. Anyone else?
    After more than eight years on here, I finally figured out how to edit my time zone!

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    • nuckles2k2
      MVP
      • Sep 2006
      • 1922

      #2192
      Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

      Originally posted by jmood88
      The Knicks have gotten rid of anyone with a pulse, I don't know how you think if they lose out on Lebron but possibly get Amar'e that they will all of a sudden be a good team. There's a lot of stuff that needs to happens for the Knicks to be competitive.
      We got rid of a bunch of bad contracts, but we still have one of the better young 3-point shooters in the league. Pair him up with a quality big and a quality slasher and isn't that the recipe for success? I'm not talking about a championship here, but it'll be better than what we had in the past. Plus we'll have money to spend going forward.

      Let us be happy with the fact that we're no longer paying the luxury tax for a team that can't sniff the playoffs.

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      • King_B_Mack
        All Star
        • Jan 2009
        • 24450

        #2193
        Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

        Honestly, I just encourage Knicks fans to not get their hopes up. I'm speaking this from the experience of free agency. I keep hearing about money to spend and the most cap space and contracts coming off the books as a plus for NYC and everyone fails to realize that free agency doesn't actually mean that players HAVE to go to new teams. The Bulls had two very intriguing pieces in Ron Artest and Elton Brand back in 2000 and the money to spend in the summer. Every big free agent passed on the team and left them looking stupid when all was said and done. Players can re-sign with their teams over going with New York just cause they have cap space. They aren't going to be the only team in the league with capspace next year. In fact their teams will be able to pay them more than New York can in most cases I'm sure. I'm not saying the Knicks won't get someone, but some of you need to prepare yourselves for that to happen. There's too much talking as if the Knicks WILL get the players in free agency that will make them a playoff team.

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        • nuckles2k2
          MVP
          • Sep 2006
          • 1922

          #2194
          Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
          Honestly, I just encourage Knicks fans to not get their hopes up. I'm speaking this from the experience of free agency. I keep hearing about money to spend and the most cap space and contracts coming off the books as a plus for NYC and everyone fails to realize that free agency doesn't actually mean that players HAVE to go to new teams. The Bulls had two very intriguing pieces in Ron Artest and Elton Brand back in 2000 and the money to spend in the summer. Every big free agent passed on the team and left them looking stupid when all was said and done. Players can re-sign with their teams over going with New York just cause they have cap space. They aren't going to be the only team in the league with capspace next year. In fact their teams will be able to pay them more than New York can in most cases I'm sure. I'm not saying the Knicks won't get someone, but some of you need to prepare yourselves for that to happen. There's too much talking as if the Knicks WILL get the players in free agency that will make them a playoff team.
          I pose a simple question. If you're paying the luxury tax for a team that's finishing in 11th and 12th place in the East. Do you: A) continue to lose with the current overpaid players and their contracts that would carry you past the summer where you can entice a LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Amar'e Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, etc to come play for you, or do you let it pass you by?

          Or do you shed those contracts and take a shot at the first piece to repairing the damage done the pass 9 years?

          I keep seeing people saying "Knicks fans, stop saying you're going to get this guy or that guy" and I'm not seeing that. At least not from the people speaking sensibly.

          I don't understand what people expected the team to do? We were paying Jerome James and Jared Jeffries in excess of 6 million dollars a year, both with player options for an extra year of blood sucking and leaching. We're not going to get quality for those players....otherwise we'd be keeping them, so we had to dump their salaries. What other recourse did we have? We didn't even have a first round pick in the draft this year because of the acquisition of Marbury in 2004....dude's in China now.

          So we basically had two options. Pay the luxury tax and have a payroll over 100 million dollars. Or dump those bad contracts and go after quality players in what's being deemed "the best FA market in NBA history." Understand...if we don't get anyone this year but we're not paying the luxury tax for a non-playoff team...we're in a better position than years past. That's how bad it was around here.

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          • King_B_Mack
            All Star
            • Jan 2009
            • 24450

            #2195
            Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

            Originally posted by nuckles2k2
            I pose a simple question. If you're paying the luxury tax for a team that's finishing in 11th and 12th place in the East. Do you: A) continue to lose with the current overpaid players and their contracts that would carry you past the summer where you can entice a LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Amar'e Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, etc to come play for you, or do you let it pass you by?

            Or do you shed those contracts and take a shot at the first piece to repairing the damage done the pass 9 years?

            I keep seeing people saying the "Knicks fans, stop saying you're going to get this guy or that guy" and I'm not seeing that. At least not from the people speaking sensibly.

            I don't understand what people expected the team to do? We were paying Jerome James and Jared Jeffries in excess of 6 million dollars a year, both with player options for an extra year of blood sucking and leaching. We're not going to get quality for those players....otherwise we'd be keeping them, so we had to dump their salaries. What other recourse did we have? We didn't even have a first round pick in the draft this year because of the acquisition of Marbury in 2004....dude's in China now.

            So we basically had two options. Pay the luxury tax and have a payroll over 100 million dollars. Or dump those bad contracts and go after quality players in what's being deemed "the best FA market in NBA history." Understand...if we don't get anyone this year but we're not paying the luxury tax for a non-playoff team...we're in a better position than years past. That's how bad it was around here.
            Not sure how this point and question pertains to my post but okay. I never said they shouldn't make the moves they have, they had to start somewhere. However I think Knicks fans are being a tad on the annoyingly arrogant side with how alot of guys are basically talking about how good they're going to be in two years simply because you have Curry's contract and cap space from this year. I'm just saying that Knicks fans shouldn't get their hopes up over what they're going to do in FA because there is nothing that's going to force players to go there. The Bulls had cap space a couple players that were very promising and a great city and they got burned badly by FAs, I'm just saying that cap space and a great city isn't going to gurantee you guys being a competitive, playoff bound team next year or in 2012. There's nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team's chances, but it's a little annoying hearing in every Knicks related anything around here how great the Knicks are going to be based on things that too this point is still X or Y in a math equation. It's a variable, it may or may not happen.

            I've seen a lot of Knicks fans pissed at people not including them in the teams that have a legit shot at getting LeBron, but then pretty much all Knicks fans I've seen/talked to are treating next year's free agent class like the Knicks are the frontrunners for every single one of them until the Knicks say otherwise.

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            • da ThRONe
              Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
              • Mar 2009
              • 8528

              #2196
              Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

              Originally posted by nuckles2k2
              We got rid of a bunch of bad contracts, but we still have one of the better young 3-point shooters in the league. Pair him up with a quality big and a quality slasher and isn't that the recipe for success? I'm not talking about a championship here, but it'll be better than what we had in the past. Plus we'll have money to spend going forward.

              Let us be happy with the fact that we're no longer paying the luxury tax for a team that can't sniff the playoffs.
              I think if the Knicks get both of their guys they will compete for a title next year. Lebron + a Bosh or a Amare = a Eastern Finals appearance. If they can pull it off Walsh will find some role guys.
              You looking at the Chair MAN!

              Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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              • ZM Punk
                We Spent Some Money!
                • Feb 2003
                • 6260

                #2197
                Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                Originally posted by jmood88
                The Knicks have gotten rid of anyone with a pulse, I don't know how you think if they lose out on Lebron but possibly get Amar'e that they will all of a sudden be a good team. There's a lot of stuff that needs to happens for the Knicks to be competitive.
                They got rid of guys like Al Harrington, Chris Duhon, and Jared Jefferies. I consider that a positive.
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                • nuckles2k2
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 1922

                  #2198
                  Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                  Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                  Not sure how this point and question pertains to my post but okay. I never said they shouldn't make the moves they have, they had to start somewhere. However I think Knicks fans are being a tad on the annoyingly arrogant side with how alot of guys are basically talking about how good they're going to be in two years simply because you have Curry's contract and cap space from this year. I'm just saying that Knicks fans shouldn't get their hopes up over what they're going to do in FA because there is nothing that's going to force players to go there. The Bulls had cap space a couple players that were very promising and a great city and they got burned badly by FAs, I'm just saying that cap space and a great city isn't going to gurantee you guys being a competitive, playoff bound team next year or in 2012. There's nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team's chances, but it's a little annoying hearing in every Knicks related anything around here how great the Knicks are going to be based on things that too this point is still X or Y in a math equation. It's a variable, it may or may not happen.

                  I've seen a lot of Knicks fans pissed at people not including them in the teams that have a legit shot at getting LeBron, but then pretty much all Knicks fans I've seen/talked to are treating next year's free agent class like the Knicks are the frontrunners for every single one of them until the Knicks say otherwise.
                  I think having a coach that most of the available guys played for is more of a factor than a "nice city" and cap room, also having a proven GM helps. LeBron has reportedly spent hours upon hours with D'Antoni during the Olympic trials and such just talking offense and wanting to know all of the intricate details of the Seven Seconds or Less offense. But that's not going to factor into his decision in anyway and NYC has "no chance" according to the media...he's more willing to go to a team with a cheap owner, first time head coach, and a ball dominant all-star point guard. Hell the Knicks might even get shut out off the free agency, according to the media and non-Knicks fans; and suddenly a few weeks later you have Amar'e all but committing to the team in the media. So all signs point to the Knicks being the first team to land a big name free agent (he was reportedly on his way to the team offices at 1pm est to make the deal official) but yet...we need to be worried that we...what? won't get anyone?

                  People also love to forget that we have a 6'10'' player in Gallo who at one point lead the league in 3 pointers. If the STAT deal goes through and we keep Gallo, why wouldn't a LeBron or Wade want to come to the team? This is not me being a homer; but if you have a dude who's 6'10'' shooting 3's with some efficient accuracy and an offensively dominant 6'10'' big who does his damage in the paint, if you're Lebron, why wouldn't you be licking your chops? Yes you'd have to hang your hat on the fact that the team would need to flesh out the roster with the available cap space from Curry and Chandler (and like you said nothing is a gurantee,) but seriously....who's getting a hand in Gallo face night in and night out while having to also worry about STAT beasting in the paint, oh and LeBron is also on the court.

                  That's the way I see it. It has nothing to do with the city or who lives in the city or any of that extraneous stuff. I would even say that's a better situation than having to share the ball with Rose, who's a great player in his own rights, but he needs the ball. Gallo is a spot up perimeter shooter who happens to be as tall as STAT and Bosh, who's closing out on him while worrying about protecting the paint against a dominant big and stopping Lebron from getting to the rim? a guard won't suffice.

                  If I'm LBJ, I'm looking at that, especially if Wade and or Bosh goes to Chicago.
                  Last edited by nuckles2k2; 07-05-2010, 01:45 PM.

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #2199
                    Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                    Unfortunately for Gallinari, he's eventually going to have to develop an offensive game other than just chucking up 3s all day. He's a good player don't get me wrong but he's not THAT much of a difference maker if I had to decide between a few teams as to which team I would go to if I was FA.
                    #RespectTheCulture

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                    • nuckles2k2
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 1922

                      #2200
                      Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                      Unfortunately for Gallinari, he's eventually going to have to develop an offensive game other than just chucking up 3s all day. He's a good player don't get me wrong but he's not THAT much of a difference maker if I had to decide between a few teams as to which team I would go to if I was FA.
                      I'm looking at his height and ability to shoot the ball tho. You have your 4 and 5 worrying about Amar'e and stopping LBJ from getting to the rim and Gallo on the perimeter. Who's matching up with him? He's shooting clear over people's head from out there, and his ability to get to the rim is underrated. I wouldn't call it a part of his game, but he can do it effectively when presented the opportunity.

                      I still think a 4 that'll get some double team attention, LeBron, and Gallo would make a nice trio. My only concern would be defense. But like I said earlier, a slasher, sniper, and big seems to be an effective formula. Look at the Celtics offense when they got KG and Ray: Ray = sniper, Pierce = slasher, KG = force in the paint. If that was their core, why can't we build the same core, except instead of having a 6'5'' SG as our sniper, we have a kid that's 6'10''? Yes we know Ray has an underrated game around the rim, but is that what he was primarily doing in that offense?

                      Couldn't hurt to try it.
                      Last edited by nuckles2k2; 07-05-2010, 02:15 PM.

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                      • vols bravesfan
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 1051

                        #2201
                        Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                        I can't help but to laugh at the video on the cavs website. I don't know why but I find it funny.

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                        • Kashanova
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 12695

                          #2202
                          Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          Unfortunately for Gallinari, he's eventually going to have to develop an offensive game other than just chucking up 3s all day. He's a good player don't get me wrong but he's not THAT much of a difference maker if I had to decide between a few teams as to which team I would go to if I was FA.
                          he's actually more than just a 3 point chucker... actually faster than people think which is why he put a few people on posters last year..

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                          • ProfessaPackMan
                            Bamma
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 63852

                            #2203
                            Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                            Also couldn't hurt to play Defense(which is what Boston did BTW) so if Amar'e and Gallinari are going to be your 4-5, be prepared to know that opposing 4s and 5s could very easily have career games.

                            Just remember that scoring 110 PPG will only get you so far...
                            #RespectTheCulture

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #2204
                              Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                              He's actually more than just a 3 point chucker... actually faster than people think which is why he put a few people on posters last year..
                              Oh ok.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • nuckles2k2
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 1922

                                #2205
                                Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                Also couldn't hurt to play Defense(which is what Boston did BTW) so if Amar'e and Gallinari are going to be your 4-5, be prepared to know that opposing 4s and 5s could very easily have career games.

                                Just remember that scoring 110 PPG will only get you so far...
                                I never said Gallo and Amar'e would be the 4 and 5. I said those three guys would be on the court at the same time. And I acknowledged defense being a concern in my post, but I'm 110% behind the Knicks getting an actual 5 to play some defense.

                                They can roll with a big lineup for now of TD, LBJ, Gallo, Amar'e, and a 5. Offensively that would be devastating. Defense would still be a bit of a concern, but not nearly as much as it would be if Gallo was responsible for guarding the 4.

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