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  • Kashanova
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2003
    • 12695

    #3466
    Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

    Originally posted by Brankles
    Which part, ticket sales? The Cavs had the second best home (Bulls) and the second best road (Lakers) to combine for the best total attendance.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/allAvg
    knicks #6 with a terrible record

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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #3467
      Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

      Originally posted by 23
      That wasnt even the point, youre reaching for whatever the reason you just dont want to see it happen. Poitn being it can work
      Now I'm reaching. Nice cop out.

      Point is that it has YET to work so there's no reason to think all of a sudden it'll start working now. And by working I obviously mean win a ring since that's basically why he'd be going there.
      #RespectTheCulture

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      • jeebs9
        Fear is the Unknown
        • Oct 2008
        • 47568

        #3468
        Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

        Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
        So in your mind LeBron is not a scorer? Or is he a facilitator and a scorer? Regardless, his points total will drop playing with two other all stars. His assists may go up but it still won't be too high, he's not going to be running the offense getting the ball as much as he wants like he did with Cleveland. And with the rebounds, you think LeBron will average over 10 a game with Bosh down low as well? My opinion isn't too high of Bosh as a player, but he's not going to concede rebounds to LeBron so he can get a triple double. He won't average more assists or rebounds than he does now, and his points total will probably drop as well.
        This is a funny post in my opinion...Made me laugh...
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        • 23
          yellow
          • Sep 2002
          • 66469

          #3469
          Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

          Originally posted by Bornindamecca
          It's not his legacy, it's his projected legacy. People were trying to shadowbox Kobe's rings with Shaq until he won TWO with a clear second fiddle(plus 3 straight Finals appearances). Mind you, Kobe was drafted into his situation in LA, and averaged more than 30, 6 and 7 in the playoffs as a "Robin" on his team. Opting out of a 60 win team to join two players in their prime who are top 3 and top 10 in the league, one of whom has already won a Finals MVP will take Lebron out of the GOAT conversation. Maybe if they win 6 or more rings it'll be different, but I think no matter what, he will be viewed as much less than what he would have gotten had he been the clear #1 player on his team, or at least only be playing with one other perennial All Star.


          Nope, but let's let it slide before derailing this thread for an easily disprovable point.
          LOL@ people now saying he's going to have a chance to end up as the GOAT in CLE. Yall know it aint true, and you all have a bunch of jokes locked and loaded when they continue to lose all ready for Lebron.

          Look man, he's been in the league 7 years, he had better start thinking about winning because he wont be dominant forever. Going to NY or staying in CLE wont achieve any of those things you're talking about, and im sorry, but Kobe was not on Shaq's level when they were winning. Lebron is at LEAST Wade's peer in terms of skill, talent, IQ and being an overall player.

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          • jeebs9
            Fear is the Unknown
            • Oct 2008
            • 47568

            #3470
            Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
            Like I said, 3 25+ Year olds while being the best 2-4 players at their position and ya'll think ego WONT be an issue at ALL? LOL Ok...
            Or we talking about basketball here or press conferences? I can't remember times when 2 superstars came together and it was a problem. And I'm talking about when a ring is on the line.
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            • 23
              yellow
              • Sep 2002
              • 66469

              #3471
              Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
              Now I'm reaching. Nice cop out.

              Point is that it has YET to work so there's no reason to think all of a sudden it'll start working now. And by working I obviously mean win a ring since that's basically why he'd be going there.
              What has yet to work? Boston just proved you wrong if thats what you're referring to.

              Nobody expected the GSW to win a championship, especially in those days, but this team would definitely have the opportunity

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              • Brankles
                Banned
                • May 2003
                • 5113

                #3472
                Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                Originally posted by elprez98
                Wade and Lebron put up an equal amount of jaw-dropping highlights last year.

                BTW, Are you a Nike marketing exec or something? Sheesh.
                Nope. Converse. I'm still mad at Dwyane

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                • Bornindamecca
                  Books Nelson Simnation
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 10919

                  #3473
                  Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                  Originally posted by 23
                  LOL@ people now saying he's going to have a chance to end up as the GOAT in CLE. Yall know it aint true, and you all have a bunch of jokes locked and loaded when they continue to lose all ready for Lebron.

                  Look man, he's been in the league 7 years, he had better start thinking about winning because he wont be dominant forever. Going to NY or staying in CLE wont achieve any of those things you're talking about, and im sorry, but Kobe was not on Shaq's level when they were winning. Lebron is at LEAST Wade's peer in terms of skill, talent, IQ and being an overall player.
                  Not saying that Kobe was at Shaq's level. Shaq was the best center, but Kobe was top 3 as a guard at the very worst. Some people had him as the absolute top guard in the league. Yet they made it seem like Kobe was riding Shaq's coattails, that he would have not had a chance at a championship if he had not been "lucky" enough to be drafted to a team that had Shaq, when the truth was that Kobe was one of the core reasons Shaq has 3 rings. No Kobe, and Chris Webber and Tim Duncan both have some jewelry that they don't have now.

                  But despite that obvious truth, people shadowboxed his first three rings until he "proved" that he wasn't just another nut guard by going to the Finals 3 times without Shaq, or a team loaded with All Stars.

                  My point is not that Lebron was ever going to be the GOAT. I've explained why that won't happen; he does not enjoy the gap in individual talent that Jordan enjoyed. That much is obvious.


                  The point is people are going to take that asterisk off of Kobe's first three rings, and transfer it over to whatever the Miami Triangle does. Thing is, Wade already has an asteriskless ring. Bosh was never in contention. Bron will not having a winning legacy unto his own unless he wins a ring without Wade. He'll be looked at as a great player, sure, but he's taken himself out of a conversation that he had access to before his possible pilgrimage to Miami.
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                  • Starlin4Prez
                    Banned
                    • May 2010
                    • 731

                    #3474
                    Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                    Originally posted by 23
                    What has yet to work? Boston just proved you wrong if thats what you're referring to.

                    Nobody expected the GSW to win a championship, especially in those days, but this team would definitely have the opportunity
                    If you are referring to the Big Three than you are wrong. That doesn't even compare to this situation and I already explained why...

                    Are we really comparing the Big 3 to this. This isn't even close.

                    You have 2 of the Top 3 players in the NBA right now that could potentially be on the same team. And arguably 3 of the Top 5.

                    Pierce, has never been a top 5 player, arguably Top 10 at times. Allen is a complimentary star, great shooter yes, superstar caliber...no. If anything I would consider Garnett the best out of those 3 when they came together. And this was on the decline of their careers. So 3 really solid players came together that wanted to win a championship at the end of their careers.

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                    • roadman
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 26339

                      #3475
                      Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                      Didn't these same three star players bring home a bronze in the Olympics?

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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #3476
                        Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                        Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                        Not saying that Kobe was at Shaq's level. Shaq was the best center, but Kobe was top 3 as a guard at the very worst. Some people had him as the absolute top guard in the league. Yet they made it seem like Kobe was riding Shaq's coattails, that he would have not had a chance at a championship if he had not been "lucky" enough to be drafted to a team that had Shaq, when the truth was that Kobe was one of the core reasons Shaq has 3 rings. No Kobe, and Chris Webber and Tim Duncan both have some jewelry that they don't have now.

                        But despite that obvious truth, people shadowboxed his first three rings until he "proved" that he wasn't just another nut guard by going to the Finals 3 times without Shaq, or a team loaded with All Stars.

                        My point is not that Lebron was ever going to be the GOAT. I've explained why that won't happen; he does not enjoy the gap in individual talent that Jordan enjoyed. That much is obvious.


                        The point is people are going to take that asterisk off of Kobe's first three rings, and transfer it over to whatever the Miami Triangle does. Thing is, Wade already has an asteriskless ring. Bosh was never in contention. Bron will not having a winning legacy unto his own unless he wins a ring without Wade. He'll be looked at as a great player, sure, but he's taken himself out of a conversation that he had access to before his possible pilgrimage to Miami.
                        Agreed, especially with the bolded part.
                        #RespectTheCulture

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                        • jeebs9
                          Fear is the Unknown
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 47568

                          #3477
                          Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                          Originally posted by 23
                          LOL@ people now saying he's going to have a chance to end up as the GOAT in CLE. Yall know it aint true, and you all have a bunch of jokes locked and loaded when they continue to lose all ready for Lebron.

                          Look man, he's been in the league 7 years, he had better start thinking about winning because he wont be dominant forever. Going to NY or staying in CLE wont achieve any of those things you're talking about, and im sorry, but Kobe was not on Shaq's level when they were winning. Lebron is at LEAST Wade's peer in terms of skill, talent, IQ and being an overall player.
                          Exactly....
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                          • XFactah416
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1708

                            #3478
                            Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                            I don't really blame LeBron for doing whatever is best for him.

                            I seriously would hate for LeBron to turn into KG. KG's loyalty cost him his prime of his career. I would hate to see 'Bron wasting his prime, doing EVERYTHING for a team, and still ending up short. I don't know too much, but I'm sure LeBron has done a lot for Cleveland, right? Resurrecting a franchise and putting them in playoff contention, or reaching an NBA Finals, or making two Eastern Conference Finals. What more can you ask? Single-handedly carry a team to a ring? No one is capable of doing it.

                            The Cavs have definitely tried to make a team around 'Bron, but they have failed in getting him the pieces necessary to win. Again, no disrespect, as they have desperately tried, but let's also face the facts and realize that the Cavs roster is nothing special at all. When you look at the Miami situation, 'Bron is going to have all the help he needs. I'm sure LeBron wouldn't mind averaging a triple double, like let's say 23/10/10 (which is probably what he would get playing with Bosh and Wade) instead of his gaudy 30/7/9 last season.

                            With that said, of course 'Bron is a drama queen and has staged all these press conferences and all that. It goes with the territory. If you're sick of it, don't watch the press conference and just look online at 9:10 EST.

                            And, at the end of the day, people are thinking that LeBron is coattailing for rings? Are you kidding me? Coattailing for rings, would be like being an Adam Morrison and getting rings just for being on the team. 'Bron would play an integral part if the Heat managed to win a title.

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                            • jeebs9
                              Fear is the Unknown
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 47568

                              #3479
                              Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                              Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                              Not saying that Kobe was at Shaq's level. Shaq was the best center, but Kobe was top 3 as a guard at the very worst. Some people had him as the absolute top guard in the league. Yet they made it seem like Kobe was riding Shaq's coattails, that he would have not had a chance at a championship if he had not been "lucky" enough to be drafted to a team that had Shaq, when the truth was that Kobe was one of the core reasons Shaq has 3 rings. No Kobe, and Chris Webber and Tim Duncan both have some jewelry that they don't have now.

                              But despite that obvious truth, people shadowboxed his first three rings until he "proved" that he wasn't just another nut guard by going to the Finals 3 times without Shaq, or a team loaded with All Stars.

                              My point is not that Lebron was ever going to be the GOAT. I've explained why that won't happen; he does not enjoy the gap in individual talent that Jordan enjoyed. That much is obvious.


                              The point is people are going to take that asterisk off of Kobe's first three rings, and transfer it over to whatever the Miami Triangle does. Thing is, Wade already has an asteriskless ring. Bosh was never in contention. Bron will not having a winning legacy unto his own unless he wins a ring without Wade. He'll be looked at as a great player, sure, but he's taken himself out of a conversation that he had access to before his possible pilgrimage to Miami.

                              LOL at the asterisk rings....
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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #3480
                                Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread

                                Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                                Not saying that Kobe was at Shaq's level. Shaq was the best center, but Kobe was top 3 as a guard at the very worst. Some people had him as the absolute top guard in the league. Yet they made it seem like Kobe was riding Shaq's coattails, that he would have not had a chance at a championship if he had not been "lucky" enough to be drafted to a team that had Shaq, when the truth was that Kobe was one of the core reasons Shaq has 3 rings. No Kobe, and Chris Webber and Tim Duncan both have some jewelry that they don't have now.

                                But despite that obvious truth, people shadowboxed his first three rings until he "proved" that he wasn't just another nut guard by going to the Finals 3 times without Shaq, or a team loaded with All Stars.

                                My point is not that Lebron was ever going to be the GOAT. I've explained why that won't happen; he does not enjoy the gap in individual talent that Jordan enjoyed. That much is obvious.


                                The point is people are going to take that asterisk off of Kobe's first three rings, and transfer it over to whatever the Miami Triangle does. Thing is, Wade already has an asteriskless ring. Bosh was never in contention. Bron will not having a winning legacy unto his own unless he wins a ring without Wade. He'll be looked at as a great player, sure, but he's taken himself out of a conversation that he had access to before his possible pilgrimage to Miami.
                                Do you really think LA would've won with any other center in the league in LA besides Shaq? Heck no and we all know this

                                I could see it happening the other way around, but not without Shaq, and it wasnt just people, it was Kobe, his coaches, all of his peers and everything the fans saw.

                                That still has no relation to LeBron. He wasnt lucky enough to either have one of the top 5 greatest big men ever to step on the court on his team, nor was he the benefactor of recieving one of the best big men today through a trade of almost nothing from the beginning.

                                Here is a guy 7 years in the league with phenomenal talent who has a choice whether he wants to go the route of Tmac or choose his own road.
                                Tmac being staying on teams not ever good enough, having to carry too much of the load too long, and eventually start getting injured becasue of it, because make no mistake its going to happen if he keeps it up as is.

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