The LeBron James Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

3 Months later and folks are still arguing about what he did.

Thank goodness it's Basketball Season finally LOL.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Because KG was part of my point. Nova is saying LeBron is a coward for wanting to go to a team that had a better chance of winning a championship (or at least that's what I took it as), so how are KG and Kobe not cowards for wanting the same thing 3 years ago? I mean yeah Kobe did end up staying, but he would've taken "the easy way out" just as quick as LeBron after having to play with the garbage he was surrounded with after Shaq and Phil left.

Dude just stop trying to make a point with KG. KG and LeBron's situations are NOTHING alike. KG put his faith in the Wolves front office to build the team around him, he didn't flex any muscle or use any leverage as a star to make moves or influence moves for the team, he was not winning at any point with that team except ONE year out of his ten there. He had chances to leave and didn't, when he finally did leave the Wolves, he had to be convinced by literally the entire league that the Wolves had wasted his career and he still didn't leave as a free agent, he left via a friggin trade where Boston pretty much sent they're entire roster to Minnesota. You have got to be the only person I've ever seen try to act like KG wanted out of Minnesota. He didn't want to leave the team and that was something he took some heat for in the past, being loyal to a fault. It's just not even close though, I can't believe you're trying to compare the situations.

[Dr.Evil]

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The Heat looked like the Cavaliers tonight

[NovaStar]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Big Z and Delonte staying wouldn't have changed anything to do with the Cavs' chances of making the playoffs.

Also, I just don't like the argument about the team being "built around LeBron". Yes it was, but it do you really think it was a great team worthy of winning a championship? No, it wasn't and the only reason they ever had that chance was with LeBron playing 40+ minutes a night and playing his *** off every game. At some point he was going to break down at that pace. He had every right to leave and when you look at it just from a team standpoint (no legacy BS, etc), it was the smart move. This could extend his career a few extra years than if he were to play on the Cavs and still not have a worthy sidekick or sidekicks.



Because KG was part of my point. Nova is saying LeBron is a coward for wanting to go to a team that had a better chance of winning a championship (or at least that's what I took it as), so how are KG and Kobe not cowards for wanting the same thing 3 years ago? I mean yeah Kobe did end up staying, but he would've taken "the easy way out" just as quick as LeBron after having to play with the garbage he was surrounded with after Shaq and Phil left.



Exactly. LeBron stays in Cleveland and (barring him pulling a miracle out his ***, which could have been possible I guess) it's another year of coming up short. And there was a very good possibility that, like you said, his "legacy" ends up being just like Ewing, Reggie, Malone, etc.



I don't know about Shaq being tied to the Lakers. At this point the guy has changed teams so many times I don't think it'll be synonymous that I remember him as a Laker like I think of Jordan as a Bull or Jeter as a Yankee. I'll just remember him as Shaq.

Blue, to set the record straight. I am not saying that lebron is a coward for going to a team that gave him a better chance of winning a ring. I am saying that he is a coward for going to a team with an established star, another alpha male, if you will, when he is claiming to be one himself. That is the whole Jordan, Barkley, Magic and Bird, arguments. They would not have done it because they were alpha males, lebron? not so much. That is my argument.

[jeebs9]

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3 Months later and folks are still arguing about what he did.

Thank goodness it's Basketball Season finally LOL.

You telling me. It's funny because last night I was on the phone with my friend. And he was like "If anyone is still harping about LeBron James and what he did..they are just plain bitter."....I started to laugh out loud. I thought of Novstar lol

[Cebby]

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We talking about Jeter. Without a doubt he is tied to the Yankees, Montana to the 49ers, Jordan to the Bulls, Pippin to the Bulls, Shaq to the Lakers. The difference in all of these great Champs and Jeter is that, the Owners of the team love Jeter and to the Yankees the loyalty thing goes a long way.

You realize that Shaq did literally the exact same thing as Lebron, right?

He left a very good, but far from championship team to go to the most desirable location in the NBA. That's what Lebron did but instead going to the second most desirable location in the NBA.

And as said, there are a ton of greats who aren't tied to one team. Barry Bonds, Kareem, Shaq, Randy Moss, Drew Brees, Barkley, ARod, Wilt, etc.

Oh yeah, and some guy named Babe Ruth.

Hell, the only player you listed who didn't leave his original team was Jeter.

[jeebs9]

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The Heat looked like the Cavaliers tonight

I mean they did. A lot of turnovers. A lot of plays that just seemed out of rhythm (make them seem like the Cavs). Even for all the turnovers... LeBron played very well. He's still playing the best basketball in the world (since 08). Like I said in another thread. They should just call him a point guard now.
Forget the whole point forward thing lol. When they have House,Jones, LeBron, Haslem and Big Z on the floor. They were pretty effective. Now just getting the Bosh, Wade and James to jelly is another story.

LeBron needs to work on post up moves a little. He needs a go to move when he gets down there. And also I'm not saying he needs to go into the post more. I'm when he does go down there. He needs to have that move.

[OSUFan_88]

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The Heat looked like the Cavaliers tonight

Welcome to the world of LeIso, Miami. Prepare for no ball movement, standing around and LBJ pounding the rock for 20 seconds before he puts up a wild shot.

LeBron needs to work on post up moves a little. He needs a go to move when he gets down there. And also I'm not saying he needs to go into the post more. I'm when he does go down there. He needs to have that move.

Yeah, people have been saying that for many years.

[jeebs9]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Welcome to the world of LeIso, Miami. Prepare for no ball movement, standing around and LBJ pounding the rock for 20 seconds before he puts up a wild shot.



Yeah, people have been saying that for many years.

Yea you didn't get what I said...lol I would not put LeBron in the post. I would not take the one of the fastest and bigges players player and post him up every single times.

[Dice]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Welcome to the world of LeIso, Miami. Prepare for no ball movement, standing around and LBJ pounding the rock for 20 seconds before he puts up a wild shot.



Yeah, people have been saying that for many years.

After looking at last night games, I'm afraid that's what it's going to come to in Miami if they don't change fast. I couldn't tell if Erik Spoelstra was coaching or Mike Brown.

I know it's only the first game BUT is his decision to bring his talents to South Beach also meant that he was able to bring his playbook? So does Wade play the Mo Williams role? Does Bosh play Varejao? That's not going to look good.

[OSUFan_88]

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Yea you didn't get what I said...lol I would not put LeBron in the post. I would not take the one of the fastest and bigges players player and post him up every single times.

What the hell are you talking about?

You said he should learn more post moves. I said people have been telling him that for years and he hasn't done it yet.

So, really, you didn't get what I said.

[OSUFan_88]

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After looking at last night games, I'm afraid that's what it's going to come to in Miami if they don't change fast. I couldn't tell if Erik Spoelstra was coaching or Mike Brown.

I know it's only the first game BUT is his decision to bring his talents to South Beach also meant that he was able to bring his playbook? So does Wade play the Mo Williams role? Does Bosh play Varejao? That's not going to look good.

I want to make this very clear:

Neither Brown or Erik are running that offense, no matter what they say in public.

So, yeah, basically Wade will be Mo and Bosh will be Z/Andy. And when it comes to the playoffs, they'll get destroyed by a team that plays defense because they know how to stop that offense *hint: BOSTON CELTICS*

[Dice]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

This is a perfect example of why you don't put LeBron in the post:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/10/27/lebrons-post-up-game-still-needs-some-work/#more-6505

...at least for now.

[jeebs9]

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What the hell are you talking about?

You said he should learn more post moves. I said people have been telling him that for years and he hasn't done it yet.

So, really, you didn't get what I said.

No....what I said is that he needs to have a "Go to move". Thats all he needs. Not a bunch of moves. Just one move. He usually has a little hook step to his right.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

No....what I said is that he needs to have a "Go to move". Thats all he needs. Not a bunch of moves. Just one move. He usually has a little hook step to his right.

LeBron has no post moves, be it a go to move or a few moves, LeBron needs a post game of some sort. The fact he doesn't after 7 years is pathetic.