The LeBron James Thread

[The 24th Letter]

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Id like to see a post from someone that says they completely understanding of why people dont like him....

I do know though, that its not as big as a deal to some

I also know some feel that scrutinizing everything he does because your upset about the decision or whatever else he did is uneccessary.....

so sure, bold it so people understand, and all 7 (maybe) of them who didnt, may now.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I can put it my sig if that'll make you happy as well?

[The 24th Letter]

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every little bit helps

[ProfessaPackMan]

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[Christian]Well, you know The Pack is all about helping out the Peeps[/Christian]

But in all seriousness, King pretty much broke it down and I've broke it down plenty of times on here as well to the people who don't understand why some can't stand the dude anymore. I mean what more do people need to see, the Glove from the Crime Scene at OJ's Crib to understand why some don't like the dude? LOL

It's sort of a Love/Hate thing with him(as it's been since he came into the league)in that we all love to watch the man play because he can flat out ball. But we all(well most people)HATE the way he handled himself from his final months in Cleveland all the way to July 8 and to a lesser extent, to the "I don't understand why people don't like me" comments he made earlier in the year.

Hope I answered your question there, my good man.

[The 24th Letter]

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true, true

[HMcCoy]

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Yeah at over 900 pages I'm not too interested in looking for specific posts :P.

If you are referring to the Bosh thing I was going from memory, but I did do a google search before I made that post to confirm what I already thought remembered correctly. I found some things that confirmed what I remembered about Bosh basically saying Cleveland was not a place he would want to live. I know that definitely happened, but I will concede that I don't know for sure if Bosh ever came out and said at a later date that he would be willing to play at Cleveland.

Your 2nd point may very well be accurate, and I don't know anything that could really refute it. If that's true though it does show that he wanted out of Cleveland (which if I always believed he did anyway). To be perfectly honest though, I don't see what the big deal is. I can understand Cleveland fans being upset about their guy leaving, but I've always wondered why should that be some huge knock on a guy (especially to every non-cav fan). He's his own person looking out for his own self interest. The only thing I really think you can blame him for is not outright saying he wanted out. I think that would be fair criticism, but I can't really blame him for not wanting to come out publicly with something that would have brought it's own amount of criticism.

When Bosh guest hosted Mike and Mike, he was specifically asked if Bron ever tried to recruit him and he said: "honestly, we never talked about it". Tht was out of the man's mouth.

[wwharton]

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Yeah it isn't out of the blue. As with almost any superstar he's always been a bit of a polarizing figure. Also, he certainly had an air of arrogance about him always, but I think it's extremely overblown by certain segments. It was there, but the he isn't exactly Floyd Mayweather out there. He's had his bad moments, but I think generally speaking he's always been the kind of person who says the right things. What I think has happened though is any time one of those bad moments happen everyone makes a big deal out of it and all the "good" moments just go on ignored.

He's definitely not Mayweather but I think that's giving him too much credit, actually. James has always been a frontrunner. He seems happy go lucky when things are going well but acts like a baby when they aren't. I actually think that is also why some put more weight on him going to Miami than they may have on other players. I don't think he's always said the right things at all. Outside of his insane amount of talent and how that's contributed to his team's W/L record, I think his bad actually far outweighs the good. It's not horrible bc 90% or more of it points to immaturity, but it is what it is.

Number 3 is the most important one so let's make sure everyone here understands this and stop with the "I don't understand why" Bull****.

As for Jordan, it's common knowledge that the man was an ***hole and that ain't even arguable and I can safely say that Lebron has yet to reach the Jordan levels of ***holeness and for his sake, I hope he doesn't otherwise....

I also think it's that Jordan not only didn't care if people thought he was an ***hole, he pretty much embraced it. One day Lebron acts like he doesn't care what people think and the next he's trying to win people over. It's obvious he cares how he's portrayed, and making a public effort to be a "Global Icon" screams that as much as anything. Lebron definitely isn't to the level of Jordan in this regard, but I think it makes Lebron's situation worse that he wants people to believe he's the golden child.

[KSUowls]

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When Bosh guest hosted Mike and Mike, he was specifically asked if Bron ever tried to recruit him and he said: "honestly, we never talked about it". Tht was out of the man's mouth.

He didn't actively recruit Bosh, point taken. My point was that Bosh had made comments at some point that explicitly stated he did not want to live in Cleveland. Your point is completely fair though because I don't think Lebron waned to remain in Cleveland. Not a big enough market, not attractive enough a city to bring in free agents, or whatever the reason it is a fair point.


@wwharton
Perhaps I gave him too much credit with the Floyd analogy, but when you look at all the interviews he's had throughout his career I do think he generally says the right things. Yeah he's had a few antics like walking off without shaking hands in Orlando and a few good sound bytes, but most of the time when he is talking about potential matchups and things like that he always gives credit to the other guy or something similar. His 'Lebron James is great' comments usually (always there are exceptions) come either in jest or, more often, when he really isn't talking about anyone else. Basically he's arrogant, but where I perhaps gave him too much credit others are not giving him enough credit.

[wwharton]

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He didn't actively recruit Bosh, point taken. My point was that Bosh had made comments at some point that explicitly stated he did not want to live in Cleveland. Your point is completely fair though because I don't think Lebron waned to remain in Cleveland. Not a big enough market, not attractive enough a city to bring in free agents, or whatever the reason it is a fair point.


@wwharton
Perhaps I gave him too much credit with the Floyd analogy, but when you look at all the interviews he's had throughout his career I do think he generally says the right things. Yeah he's had a few antics like walking off without shaking hands in Orlando and a few good sound bytes, but most of the time when he is talking about potential matchups and things like that he always gives credit to the other guy or something similar. His 'Lebron James is great' comments usually (always there are exceptions) come either in jest or, more often, when he really isn't talking about anyone else. Basically he's arrogant, but where I perhaps gave him too much credit others are not giving him enough credit.

I still disagree, but I will say I'd have to go back and take a look to be completely fair. He's said a lot of canned, athlete talk... the "what you're supposed to say" statements. Maybe that's what you're referring to, but I don't give him credit for that. When the chips have been down, he's done a TON of blaming other people, all the way to completely blasting his teammates with the "If there were more than one of me we'd be great but I can only do so much" comment, and blasting HIS fans with the "I've spoiled my fans" comment. Those aren't isolated events, but honestly, those are both situations where it really only takes one no matter how many "good" things have been said.

I don't want to harp on it bc I respect your opinion and really don't plan on going back and double checking everything. Plus I don't hate the guy, I just think he's an arrogant kid in a grown man's body. Like I feel about most immature kids in certain situations, he's disappointed me alot and I'm waiting for him to "grow up" more than anything else.

[KSUowls]

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Well those "what you're supposed to say" comments often don't get said by many many athletes. There are a few other things, but I think there are fair points you made.

I forgot to mention this in my previous post, but I think you're right about the MJ-Lebron comparison. Lebron clearly cares what people think about him. I think he tried to embrace the villain role at times because of the way things have happened over the last year, but he always ends up reverting back to his true self which is someone who cares about his image.

[wwharton]

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Well those "what you're supposed to say" comments often don't get said by many many athletes. There are a few other things, but I think there are fair points you made.

I forgot to mention this in my previous post, but I think you're right about the MJ-Lebron comparison. Lebron clearly cares what people think about him. I think he tried to embrace the villain role at times because of the way things have happened over the last year, but he always ends up reverting back to his true self which is someone who cares about his image.

I'd have to bring up Chris Rock's joke about a guy getting praised for taking care of his kids... I'm not grading on a curve when it comes to cliches and canned lines to the media. All the other athletes you're talking about are wrong for not saying them, but unless they do the other things James is being criticized for and/or said the things he's said when the chips were down (and it's harder to give that pc answer), I'd still come down harder on him.

James would be better to just admit when he's wrong and continue caring about his image. It's who he is. I liked him a lot more when he was in Cleveland and he was the same way then. He'll never have Jordan's personality so he shouldn't even try. And clearly a ton of people STILL like him with the crap he's tried to pull (pretending he's ok with the villan role) so just being real will just bring him more fans... keep it real.

I think Dre said it earlier (or someone did) but no matter who he is, he'll get heat until he wins a ring... and then less after, so it really doesn't even matter. Just focus on winning and everything else will fall into place.

[TheShizNo1]

LBJ has forced me to eat a lot of the negative things I've said about him. He's been clutch in these playoffs and is playing lights out.

He's the man right now. That was very painful to say....

[HMcCoy]

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Love it or hate it, LeBron is that dude. Period.

[DW3]

As a Dwade fan it sucks but I have to admit it.... Lebron took control of this team this series. I don't know what it is with DWade and Chicago but he plays like trash against those guy.

Lebron made me eat my words as well! There I said it and it's off my chest! Lol


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[BlastX21]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

34% of people on this poll are Cleveland fans. To think he's not top 25 is laughable, quite honestly.

Right now he is easy top 10. Always been a dynamic scorer, but in this years playoffs more people are seeing his dominant defense, and he is now developing strong clutch play, which he didnt have before.

I'm gonna go run some stats against other top 10s and tell you who he's ahead of.